Iraq Leader Says the Arab Spring Benefits Israel

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    Aug 22, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?_r=1&ref=middleeast

    BAGHDAD — While Western leaders including President Obama called on President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to step down, Iraq’s prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, warned Arab leaders in a speech on Thursday that Israel would benefit the most from the Arab Spring.

    “There is no doubt that there is a country that is waiting for the Arab countries to be ripped and is waiting for internal corrosion,” he said in Baghdad. “Zionists and Israel are the first and biggest beneficiaries of this whole process.”

    Mr. Maliki, the leader of Iraq’s Shiite government, rarely mentions Israel in speeches. But he warned that those Arab countries experiencing democratic revolutions should be wary of Israel’s taking advantage of the turmoil.

    “We must take notice and be careful not to be the prey of the ambitions of this usurping country,” he said.

    Mr. Maliki, who has maintained a far friendlier tone toward the Assad government than many Arab leaders, did not refer to Syria in the speech. He said that Arabs deserved to have more rights, but that they should gain them through the electoral process.

    Since the uprising in Syria began, Mr. Maliki has invited many Syrian officials to Baghdad to discuss stronger economic ties between the two countries. He has also said far less about the Syrian government’s bloody crackdown on dissent than he did when there was similar unrest earlier in Bahrain, where a Sunni monarchy holds sway over a predominantly Shiite population.

    Many analysts have said that Mr. Maliki’s stance on Syria reflects Iraq’s increasing tilt toward Iran, a Shiite theocracy and a strong supporter of Syria. In 2010, Mr. Maliki relied heavily on Iran’s political support to gain a second term as prime minister. Others have said that Mr. Maliki is concerned that unrest in Syria could spill over the border into Iraq and further destabilize the country.
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    Aug 22, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    Perhaps we now understand why the handful of anti-Israel RJers have only supported the Arab Spring in countries that were pro-Western and had peace agreements with Israel, while supporting Hizbullah in Lebanon, saying little of anything about Assad in Syria, and at best being conflicted about Qaddafi. Not to mention outright supporting the regime in Iran during mass protests.

    Lebanon 101: Why Hezbollah hates the Hariri tribunal (UN STL)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1331632

    Syria death toll, according to CNN sources, now exceeds 2,500
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1449735

    Chavez, Ahmadinejad denounce [Western!] 'aggression' in Libya, Syria
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1753170

    Note further how they attempt to hijack the above topics to be about Israel!
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    Aug 22, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    I also can't help but recall the words of Mahathir Mohamad, the former Malyasian Prime Minister, when addressing the convention of the Organization of Islamic Countries:

    They [Jews] invented socialism, communism, human rights, and democracy, so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power.

    I suppose Israel/Jews are now pushing these things, such as human rights and democracy, to Arab countries in order to... weaken them?
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    Aug 22, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidI also can't help but recall the words of Mahathir Mohamad, the former Malyasian Prime Minister, when addressing the convention of the Organization of Islamic Countries:

    They [Jews] invented socialism, communism, human rights, and democracy, so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power.

    I suppose Israel/Jews are now pushing these things, such as human rights and democracy, to Arab countries in order to... weaken them?


    Jews inventing democracy!?!? Was Athens jewish!?!??!

    Let me add: the barkingness of Mahathir Mohamad's statement is beyond laughable.
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    Aug 22, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    TigerTim> Jews inventing democracy!?!? Was Athens jewish!?!??!

    Hey, I didn't say he was right.
    I think he went on to say that Jews control the media, banks and world.

    No more than al-Maliki is right.
    But it's an insight into the perverted view in some corners of the world.
    Shared, to some extent, by a few people on RJ.

    BTW, are you giving us Communism, Socialism and Capitalism?
    Oh, those devious, treacherous Jews. See how we played "divide and conquer" worldwide....?


    pouncer> It's Jews who are "pushing these things ... to Arab countries"???!

    You yourself voiced that this was the case with protest in Iran.
    (If not the Jews, then the allegedly Jew-controlled West was doing so - at the behest of Israel.)


    The truth is much less complex. Despite the constant rhetoric, Arabs see their bretheren in neighboring Israel not only voting, but living much better than them (standard and quality of life as well as political freedoms).

    An Arab Journalist Talks About Israel
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    The secret to Israel's survival, despite all the great challenges it has faced, lies in democracy and respect for the worth of the individual.... The secret to the collapse of the Arab countries, one after another, lies in dictatorship and in the oppression of the individual....

    ...The [average] income there is double [the average income] in the neighboring Arab countries.

    ...In order to know who will remain and who will perish, one must always check who has democracy, human rights, and social justice.

    ...the only registry in the world for Arab bone marrow donors is located in the Hadassah Medical Center, associated with the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

    TigerTim> There's a long history of Arab intellectuals giving a measured and reasonable assessment of Israel—admiring the considerable freedom of Israeli society, Israeli innovation and the economy

    Of course it's not just Israel. But when they see one thing and the regimes keep telling them another, decade after decade....

    What is the world coming to when the regimes in Syria & Libya use not Jews/Israel as the bogeyman, but Al Qaida?
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    Aug 22, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    Looks like it's time to put pouncer back on ignore.

    I await a discerning - and intelligent - reply from TigerTim.
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    Aug 22, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    There is a danger to Israel in the so called 'Arab Spring' in that if the deep,widespread,and abiding ill-will in all Arab/muslim countries towards her gets truly converted into democratic politics,then Israel may find herself even more friendless and isolated in the region than before as governments that previously ignored their people`s wishes have to express them publically.
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    Aug 22, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidThere is a danger to Israel in the so called 'Arab Spring' in that if the deep,widespread,and abiding ill-will in all Arab/muslim countries towards her gets truly converted into democratic politics,then Israel may find herself even more friendless and isolated in the region than before as governments that previously ignored their people`s wishes have to express them publically.

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    Imagine how the Arab Spring bringing more democratic principles into play in each of the affected countries and how their embracing democratic principles may shed light on the 'un'democratic actions of Israel toward the Palestinians whose land they occupy and continue to take for settlement building purposes.

    This could be a win / win situation for the Palestinians, and an embarassment for Israel that just might shame them into better behavior, unless of course the pro zionist far right leaning likuds like Lieberman and netanyahu stay in power.



    Notice the typical arrogance of the ever obnoxious LIL'AIPAC (C4), LIL'AIPAC, the self appointed authority is gonna put pouncer on ignore and he awaits a "discerning and intelligent response form tiger tim". Well la-tee-da !!! the great one has spoken. LOL !!!


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    Aug 24, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    Rebel spokesman to Haaretz: Libya needs world's help, including Israel's
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/rebel-spokesman-to-haaretz-libya-needs-world-s-help-including-israel-s-1.380320

    Ahmad Shabani says recognition of Israel by future elected Libyan government is 'very sensitive question. The question is whether Israel will recognize us'.

    ...When asked what sort of assistance Libya required, Ahmad Shabani, the founder of Libya's Democratic Party, said: "We are asking Israel to use its influence in the international community to end the tyrannical regime of Gadhafi and his family."

    ...Shabani mentioned Gadhafi's eccentric ideas about the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the founding of a single country to be called "Israstine." But Shabani said his group believed in two countries, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace - the two-state solution.

    ...According to Israeli intelligence, since the uprising, as part of a huge black market in weapons in Libya, arms have been smuggled from Libya to the Gaza Strip via Egypt. Shabani said the opposition was aware of the smuggling and hoped to end it.

    According to Shabani, the transition to the new Libya needed an organization under the aegis of the United Nations to supervise democratic elections. He said he hoped to see a South Africa-style reconciliation committee established to prevent acts of revenge or a new civil war.
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    Aug 26, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidI really think Caesarea4 is making Jews people look bad... It is so embarrassed...

    There's that hatist mindset:
    As if one individual (even were the accusations true) can make an entire group look bad?
    Who but a racist would even consider such an "argument"?

    Do Arab terrorists make all Arabs look bad?
    Does one nellie queen make all gays look bad?

    Why am I, allegedly, making all Jews "look bad" rather than making all gays, all football players, all Israelis, all dog owners or all people in Michigan "look bad"?


    sxydrkhair> I am in Michigan right now. Do you want to meet somewhere and drink coffee?

    No on the coffee, but maybe a carrot juice?
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    Aug 26, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said
    sxydrkhair saidI really think Caesarea4 is making Jews people look bad... It is so embarrassed...

    There's that hatist mindset:
    As if one individual (even were the accusations true) can make an entire group look bad?
    Who but a racist would even consider such an "argument"?

    Do Arab terrorists make all Arabs look bad?
    Does one nellie queen make all gays look bad?

    Why am I, allegedly, making all Jews "look bad" rather than making all gays, all football players, all Israelis, all dog owners or all people in Michigan "look bad"?


    sxydrkhair> I am in Michigan right now. Do you want to meet somewhere and drink coffee?

    No on the coffee, but maybe a carrot juice?

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    Hey LIL'AIPAC, take a break from your usual bullshit and note the news of China announcing acceptance of Palistinians bid for statehood.




    By the way, you have a hell of a lot of questions to answer as the Zionist Propagandist in chief. LOL !!! ANSWERS ??????
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    Sep 21, 2011 11:18 PM GMT
    Iraq Calls For Assad To Resign In Syria
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/world/middleeast/iraq-tells-bashar-al-assad-of-syria-to-step-down.html?_r=1

    BAGHDAD — After months of striking a far friendlier tone toward the government of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, the Iraqi government has joined a chorus of other nations calling on him to step down.

    ...“We believe that the Syrian people should have more freedom and have the right to experience democracy,” said the adviser, Ali al-Moussawi. “We are against the one-party rule and the dictatorship that hasn’t allowed for the freedom of expression.”

    The statements from Mr. Moussawi mark a significant change for Iraq. When the United States and several of its major allies called in August for Mr. Assad to cede power, the Iraqi government appeared to be more in line with Iran, which has supported Mr. Assad. The same day as the American statement, Mr. Maliki gave a speech warning Arab leaders that Israel would benefit the most from the Arab Spring.

    ...“Our goals are the same as the United States has in changing the regime,” he said. “The only difference is the way to achieve these goals. I don’t know how you can guarantee what will happen in Syria if there is a sudden change. I’m sure there will be a civil war and lots of chaos.”

    Mr. Moussawi said there was a danger that Syria would plunge into a sectarian conflict similar to the one that engulfed Iraq after the United States-led invasion overthrew Saddam Hussein in 2003.

    “The sudden change will create lots of chaos, because they have a divided army and a divided people in Syria, and this is going to create a civil war,” he said. About 2,600 people are estimated to have been killed in Syria as security forces cracked down on pro-democracy protests over the past six months. Leaders of other Arab nations said little about the violence at first, but many have since condemned the killings.

    In recent weeks, there has been an apparent recalibration by the Iranian government toward Syria.

    Throughout the Arab Spring, the Iranians have remained Syria’s closest ally. But two weeks ago, Iranian leaders called on Mr. Assad to institute some reforms, in part, analysts said, to try to stabilize his presidency and also to improve Iran’s image in the Arab world.
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    Dec 18, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Analysis: The unlikely victims of the Arab Spring?
    Syria, Hezbollah and Iran all stand to lose from regional upheavals.

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=248951

    Last week saw Iran’s staunchest allies squirming on television. President Assad of Syria tried to enlist Barbara Walters while Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah briefly got out of his bunker to comfort his worried militants.

    Though there is nothing to indicate that the move was a concerted one in view of the military alliance between the two, it does show that both men are acutely aware of the fact that the turmoil in Syria endangers them and also their patron, Iran, while Shia influence wanes in the Middle East.

    There was something pathetic in the desperate efforts of the two leaders to pretend that all was well. Assad made a fool of himself by earnestly declaring in face of the evidence that it was not his forces that had killed unarmed protesters and that only a crazy man would massacre his own people.

    ...Relations with Ankara are going from bad to worse; Turkey is letting opposition movements such as the Syrian National Council and the Free Syrian Army operate from its territory, and threatens to set up a security zone along its border with Syria to protect civilians living there; it has already implemented sanctions against its neighbor.

    ...Nasrallah made a rare appearance and hastened to go back to his bunker to deliver a blistering attack via video on – you guessed it – the US and Israeli dastardly plot against Syria conducted despite the fact that Assad was trying to implement reforms. He told militants who watched on huge television screens that Israel would pay the price of the changes taking place in the Arab world.

    There was nothing new there, nothing to comfort his supporters, especially after the head of the Syrian National Council had declared that after the fall of Assad, Syria would cut off ties with Hezbollah and would open negotiations to regain the Golan Heights by peaceful means. Nothing either to explain why the whole world and the Arab league were siding with the protests against Assad.

    Another indication of Nasrallah’s waning influence is to be found in the fact that a few days ago, he had to accept the decision of the Lebanon’s Mikati government – a government he helped set up – to pay its share of the cost of the proceedings at the Special Tribunal for Lebanon investigating the assassination of Rafik Hariri – a court which has already issued warrants against four high-ranking Hezbollah officers. Najib Mikati had threatened to resign if Nasrallah blocked the move. Yet barely a year ago Hezbollah brought about the fall of the Sa’ad Hariri government over that very issue. Today Nasrallah had to swallow the bitter pill.

    Hezbollah, with its tens of thousands of missiles, nevertheless remain a very real threat to Israel – as long as armaments keep flowing in from Syria. Should that flow come to a sudden halt following a change of regime, it would be a near mortal blow for the organization, which finds itself increasingly isolated inside Lebanon

    ...Iran suffered a serious setback in its avowed policy of exporting its brand of Shia Islam revolution throughout the Middle East. Should Syria fall, Iran’s bridgehead in the region will fall as well, and with it the network of finance and armament keeping Hezbollah afloat.