Is Israel treated fairly in the media?

  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 22, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    Well I have learned people get very emotional whenever Israel is mentioned but I just wonder. In the past week Israelis were murdered by terrorists in the south of Israel and dozens of rockets have been fired on civilians.
    Many times I sense that the Israeli media fails to report on what's happening on the palestinian side but now I start doubting the whole approach of the international media to this conflict. Only bits of information were published and nobody talks about Israel being attacked by these terrorists. I know that this whole situation is part of a broader problem which needs to be solved but I just can't see how can anybody justify or ignore such terrible acts of violence.
    What do you think?
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 22, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    In Britain the mass media is generally more pro- than anti-Israel.In the last year or so the BBC turned down a charitable appeal for the citizens of Gaza following overwhelming Israeli attacks on them as footage of the conflict might confuse people,lead some viewers to question the corporation`s impartiality.
    When Russia attacked Georgia in 2008(?),seeking to defend itself and its interests ,it was treated far more sceptically than Israel was for attacking Gaza(the same reasons).
    There is plenty of talk here about terrorists attacking Israel,it`s right of self defence,etc.I have seen many films on settlers living near the border with Gaza and the attacks and deprivations they suffer,the deaths and injuries,suicide bombers in cities,how the police deal with them,etc.
    Any criticism of Israel,however reasoned,sooner or later gets the rejoinder,"well,do you believe in Israel`s right to exist?" as if you secretly don`t;as if any call on Israel is automatically suspect,anti-Semitic.
    Shall we talk of illegal Jewish settlements on the West Bank as 'attacks' on a country called Palestine?
    I think in the western media`s eyes Israel`s democratic status gives it`s sufferings more credibility;also post-Holocaust European guilt adds an edge to all this.
  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 22, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
    Lincsbear thanks for your response. I guess we Israelis sometimes tend to be paranoid when it comes to the world's approach towards Israel. I don't ask anybody who criticize Israel if they reconize Israel right to exist and in fact I have a lot of criticism for Israel actions and policies which many people in Israel don't like. But I still found the recent case to be troubling. In the end of the day the report about this turn of events was not complete and it hardly mentions the hurting of Israelis. I think any report needs to look at the big picture and all sides of the story should be told.
  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 22, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    yourname2000 I get what you're saying but I can't agree with that.
    Israel may be wrong in some of its actions and whenever civilians are hurt it should be criticized for its acts.
    But in the end of the day whenever civilians are hurt I just think it should be reported and hopefully most people will be against such acts.
  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 23, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    As an Israeli I don't want to kill anybody and I am also tired of the hatered and violence.
    We all need peace but we also need to value life.
    sxydarkhair I understand what you're saying and I think it it wrong not to mention civilian casualties from any side. At the same time if militants who attempt to fire rockets at Israel get killed I will not feel sorry for them.
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    Aug 23, 2011 12:53 AM GMT
    gooddude1583 saidyourname2000 I get what you're saying but I can't agree with that.
    Israel may be wrong in some of its actions and whenever civilians are hurt it should be criticized for its acts.
    But in the end of the day whenever civilians are hurt I just think it should be reported and hopefully most people will be against such acts.

    I think generally Israel gets fair treatment, but I also agree with sxydrkhair that the plight of the Palestinians does not get as much coverage. I disagree with sxydrkhair's labeling IDF as terrorists, unless it can be shown that they deliberately target civilians. I realize issues are complex, but I remember the Israeli army forcibly removed its own citizens from Gaza, and they get repaid with rocket attacks.

    The one fear many have for Israel is if Iran gets the bomb while the current US President is in power. Many of us are convinced he is anti-Israel, and if Israel were to be significantly threatened by Iran, he would not act in Israel's behalf because of his reluctance to get involved and because of his anti-Israeli position. Many of us are doing our best to limit him to one term, and if a President Romney or another takes office, Israel can breath a bit easier.

    Slightly off topic - in another thread sxydrkhair and I and others discussed the Israeli movie The Bubble. Are you familiar and do you know of the actors?
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    Aug 23, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    I think that the anti semitic, anti Jew, you just hate israel and want to see it fail , card has been over played so often and so loudly by AIPAC here in the US, and by the Zionist Propaganda machine, in Israel and its other lobbies, that it has had the same effect on the media, as with the story of the child yelling wolf so many times that no one believed him when a true 'wolf' showed up and the child actually had reason to yell.

    These days the EU, the UN, much of the American public and most of the international community have seen too much of one side, Israel is always the victim when it is actually Israel doing the taking of land, running people off their lands and farms. Most of the world ignores a lot of what comes from Israel, but in the US the media continues to be one sided only where they are influenced to do so by Israeli lobby and AIPAC. Otherwise most of the world is trying to tell the true story, but shy's away from Israel, but much of the full story is on the net.


    The world isn't fooled by Netanyahu's smooth words nor by Liebermans always trotting out the words that "israel has a right to protect itself". Well this is the age of open truth on the internet and the world see's that the above leaders aren't really interested in peace or there is no way that those damn settlements would continue.

    Israel's far right Likud party politics has isolated and deligitimized it by its one sidedness. Its not the Israeli's at fault for this situation but its leadership is at fault and untill that leadership show's real interest in being fair then the world will continue to look less and less kindly on Israel.

    From all the comments that I read even on Haaretz, Euro media, and much of US independent media, most see Israel as a state wanting 150% favoring themselves in any negotiations, so they discount Israel as not even knowing what fairness is. Israeli's should confront their leadership over this intransigence, this is whats causing the deligitimizaion, not hate of the jews.

    goodude, what do you think would happen in the media if in the US the facts were layed out that Israel has killed 6000 Palestinians since the year 2000 ? (1500 of them were palestinian children) while around 1200 Israeli's were killed (nearly 100 of them children) But here in the US we don't hear of those Palestinians killed but we hear over and over about the terrible terrorist Palestinians who killed the 1500 Israeli's. What if the Media told the full story ? Would that be Anti Semitic to tell the truth that Israel has killed 4 times as many ? (Don't want to hear that all those were terrorists, because they weren't, so don't bother going there)


    All of these deaths from both sides are terrible waste of life


    The beating will stop when your attitude/moral improves, When Israel stops treating Palestinians in this way, then there can be peace. I have to wonder when the Israeli's themselves will demand this of their leadership so no one in Gaza is mad over his child getting shot through the head by a snipers bullet and is thereby prompted to try sending a rocket into Israel.

    AHHH but the beatings will stop when your (the gazans) attitude/moral improves.
  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 23, 2011 11:28 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair it is encouraging to read your comments and I keep believing that most Israelis and Palestinians want peace and our against any acts which lead to civilian casualties.
    I will never try to dispute the fact that more Palestinian civilians were killed in the past decade and I feel sorry for any innocent life that is lost. But at the same time besides the terrible outcome there is the question of intent. Israel is making many wrong moves and immoral acts in its military operations and yet none of its actions is aimed solely at hurting civilians. Whenever civilians died it was done as part of a military operation aimes at protecting Israeli citizens. Now, I am not naive and I know that the Israeli army has become less sensitive to the value of life in the palestinian side which leads sometimes to wrongful acts ; this should be investigated as some of it has already been done.
    As for the palestinian side actions I fear the intent is far less clear. When militanats fire rockets into a school knowingly there is no dispute what their goal was. When militants started firing at cars of civilians driving on the road close to Eilat there is no doubt that civilians were the target. There are many extreme groups in the Gaza strip and the west bank and I am afraid that they see all Israeli civilians as legitimate targets. In addition to all those small gropus you have Hamas which controls Gaza and has a history of terror acts which lead to the death of many civilians.
    I will always be againt the hurting of civilians and I think all of it should be talked about. This includes both Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties.

    reliefdad I wish you were right and that it was only up to the Israeli government policy to change this turn of events. I do believe that the current leadership in the palestinian authority is one Israel should talk with. At the end of the day I hope that a palestinian state will be declared in September for both sides sake. Yet I remain doubtful on the long term goal of the palestinians as to accepting a jewish state which leads us to an endless talk (which I already started icon_smile.gif )


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    Aug 23, 2011 11:39 AM GMT
    I am tired of hearing about the woes of the Israel vs. Palestine vs. Israel or the Arab nations hatred in general toward Israel or any other nation for that matter. Doesn't anyone actually practice the tenents of their respective religions? Vengence solves nothing. I don't care what has happened in the past or all of the so-called sins of either side. Sometimes there is a time to "bury the hatchet." Why is it there never seems to be a shortage of weapons or hatred, but compassion, love, and acceptance is always in short supply.

    I like what Gandhi said, "an eye for eye makes the whole world blind."

    To answer the question, "Is Israel treatly fairly in the media?" Sometimes, it depends on what your reading.
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    Aug 23, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    gooddude1583 saidsxydrkhair it is encouraging to read your comments and I keep believing that most Israelis and Palestinians want peace and our against any acts which lead to civilian casualties.
    I will never try to dispute the fact that more Palestinian civilians were killed in the past decade and I feel sorry for any innocent life that is lost. But at the same time besides the terrible outcome there is the question of intent. Israel is making many wrong moves and immoral acts in its military operations and yet none of its actions is aimed solely at hurting civilians. Whenever civilians died it was done as part of a military operation aimes at protecting Israeli citizens. Now, I am not naive and I know that the Israeli army has become less sensitive to the value of life in the palestinian side which leads sometimes to wrongful acts ; this should be investigated as some of it has already been done.
    As for the palestinian side actions I fear the intent is far less clear. When militanats fire rockets into a school knowingly there is no dispute what their goal was. When militants started firing at cars of civilians driving on the road close to Eilat there is no doubt that civilians were the target. There are many extreme groups in the Gaza strip and the west bank and I am afraid that they see all Israeli civilians as legitimate targets. In addition to all those small gropus you have Hamas which controls Gaza and has a history of terror acts which lead to the death of many civilians.
    I will always be againt the hurting of civilians and I think all of it should be talked about. This includes both Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties.

    reliefdad I wish you were right and that it was only up to the Israeli government policy to change this turn of events. I do believe that the current leadership in the palestinian authority is one Israel should talk with. At the end of the day I hope that a palestinian state will be declared in September for both sides sake. Yet I remain doubtful on the long term goal of the palestinians as to accepting a jewish state which leads us to an endless talk (which I already started icon_smile.gif )






    gooddude1583 !!!! YOU REALLY ARE A GOODDUDE !!!

    and frankly I believe that there are far more openminded Jewish people outthere than there are of the intransigent far righters. If more of you fine folk speak up showing that both sides can improve, make admissions and recognize each other then there will be peace. There should be a lot more coming together of guys like you and sxydrkhair who also is willing to be openminded.

    I believe that even Hamas will recognize Israel right along with Fatah, I believe they both have said as much. Now will Israel stop those damn settlements on Palestinian Occupied Territory ? This isn't the fault of the common Israeli, but the fault of the Likud party Leadership. I think Palestine gaining some level of recognition at the UN will lead back to peace talks. What do you think will be the result ?.

    You should know that I base a lot of my opinion on reading jewish sites, like Haaretz, and the Jewish Daily Forward.

  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 23, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    If another country was doing what Israel is,how do you think it would be portrayed in the international media?
    Also,the media reflect the fact Israel is a nation-state(and all the infrastructure)and has thus more political clout than a country-less people(Palestinians).
    Gooddude,I can appreciate how Israelis feel rather beseiged as I have relatives in Northern Ireland(unionist,protestant) and they felt much the same way with all the terrorism there.
  • gooddude1583

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    Aug 23, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    reliefdad thanks for the compliments icon_smile.gif
    I do wish Israelis and arabs talked more. I do have my doubts about Hamas but I hope it will change its ways. I assure you most people in Israel want peace and are willing to pay a price for it but I guess both sides need to work on their trust issues which will take some time.
    By the way Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper not a jewish one. It is one of my preferred news source.