Russian transition of power

  • NickoftheNort...

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    May 07, 2008 8:31 AM GMT
    Today, Vladimir Putin stepped down as President of Russia and will be taking on the prime ministership (CNN Int. had a ticker saying that Putin granted more power to the PM just prior to leaving the presidency) and Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev was inaugurated as Russia's new president.

    What will this mean for Russia, Europe, Asia, and the rest of the world?


    And now, back to the Democratic nomination process part 127 of x.
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    May 07, 2008 9:44 AM GMT
    That communist Korea and China follow the former USSR's footsteps?

    *sigh*

    Too much to ask, I know.
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    May 07, 2008 1:10 PM GMT
    Sedative saidThat communist Korea and China follow the former USSR's footsteps?

    *sigh*

    Too much to ask, I know.


    Communist Korea and China were not part of the Soviet system and don't resemble the USSR very much. In terms of human rights, while Putin hasn't killed people en masse like Stalin, he has outlawed certain party's participation in elections, severely limited freedom's of speech and the press (when that press is not state owned) and persecutes religious minorities. Russia today looks more like the Soviet Union that she did ten years ago.

    Putin will become the head of his political party. An interesting transition as aging Communist leaders would retire from the day-to-day running of the nation, leaving their post as commander of the military and as executive to be head of the party. So the question will be, will Medvedev have much autonomy?
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    May 07, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    I personally find Russian history both fascinating and depressing. There is no society quite like it. It seems the Russian people cannot tolerate too much freedom since they have had very little of it in their history. Putin will undoubtedly be the puppet master behind the puppet.

    Russian pride is still smarting from their sudden collapse as a world power. As they bring in more oil and gas revenue they are starting to mend their military. They are not throwing their weight around like they were in the cold war, but Putin definitely has a bully streak in him. Notice what Russia did to Georgia with the gas supplies when Georgia dared to stand up to the Bear.

    Canada is one of the very few stable democratic countries in the world that has a significant supply of oil and gas reserves. The human race is cursed with Russia, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and other unstable regimes holding the lion's share of energy reserves.
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    May 07, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    Am I correct in understanding from my reading, that Putin is very well liked by the majority of the population? He did carve out for himself a unique status for governing behind the scenes. I am very hopefull that relations with the Russians, greatly improves under the next president. (Hopefully not Mucksame though, because I understand he wants the Russians out of the G-8, which will further sour our relations) Maybe Medvedev can soften their government stance on many freedoms.
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    May 07, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    Putin is well liked because the country is more stable and the economy is doing well. Russia's economy though is heavily reliant on oil and gas reserves. It has huge problems with corruption. Also it is one of the few countries in the world in which the population is decreasing (Japan is another one). Unlike Japan, Russia's big problem is the poor life expectancy of males. They have serious substance abuse issues.

    Russia is potentially one of the most disruptive countries over the next 20 years. Europe is heavily reliant on Russian gas, and Putin knows it.
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    May 07, 2008 8:43 PM GMT
    He's KGB, only a fool would trust him.
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    May 07, 2008 8:47 PM GMT
    John43620 saidHe's KGB, only a fool would trust him.


    I agree, and the scary thing is he is not a fool, which makes him more dangerous.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 07, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    Lets hope that the political situation in Russia starts improving very soon. But given their long history, Russians are not accustomed to democracy, free enterprise, and free choice like both Americans and Western and Northern Europeans. Their history has been mostly one of totalitarian rule in one form or another. So the transition to democratic rule has been very difficult and somewhat alienating to most Russian nationals. Russian history impresses me as very sad with many tragedies and tough times. Even the urban history of Moscow is rife with a lot of sadness, setbacks, and tough times. Moscow's most intense part of its long history was during Josef Stalin's regime when that fierce dictator originally planned to completely tear up and transform that city and demolish many of its historic churches and cathedrals. Saint Basils Cathedral in Red Square almost faced the wreckers ball during the Stalin era. Communist Party leaders wanted to save Saint Basils and find a new use for the world famous onion domed structure but Stalin wanted it torn down. Stalin backed down on that disastrous idea or the loss of St Basils Cathedral would have been disastrous for Red Square from an aesthetic and architectural viewpoint.
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    May 08, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    Poot has been trying to revive Soviet Nationalism by limited beligerencies like flying Tupelov bombers over our fleet at sea and over our base on Guam. It's just a show for the Russian people mostly.

    This is another excellent reason to vote for Senator McCain. An ex-POW with a bad temper would cause Poot to be more cautious and lose face with the Russian people.

    Poot would just run rough shod over Obama and the Clintons and the Soviets are old friends.



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    May 08, 2008 10:32 PM GMT
    John43620 saidHe's KGB, only a fool would trust him.

    /cheesy Russian accent

    The KGB no longer exists. The FSB is here now; to safeguard Mother Russia and her people. How may we help you?
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    May 08, 2008 10:51 PM GMT
    Zdrazvooyeti, Kag dalla, ho teetye ya bot?
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    May 09, 2008 3:25 AM GMT
    Relations with Russia have deteriorated dramatically in the last several years, I believe we need more talks, and collaborating with them. rather than continued efforts to subvert them as bush has, and like Mucksames suggesting that they be kicked out of the G-8. This isn't diplomacy, that's going to do our world any good. While he may have been KGB, and we definately need to keep our eyes wide open, I don't think such threats serve any good purpose.
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    May 09, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    Collaborating! Thats a lot of horse shit! Of course I can expect that from a Democrat.

    Check this out: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_eu/russia_victory_day

    Let me tell ya a story about the Russians.

    In the fall of 1995 I finally got the appointment to the prestigeous US Army M1A1 Master Gunner school at Fort Knox. They're picky about who gets to go and it has a high attrition rate. Only the best of tankers get to go and the best of the best make it. Tooting my horn here.

    Anyway, we were in the training bay, a kind of a garage the size of a football field with several M1A1 and M1A2 tanks in it one a late September morning. I and another student was sitting on the back deck of a tank waiting to test on troubleshooting the tank's Fire Control System.

    The outside bay door opens and an American Colonel escorts a platoon of Russian Generals into the training bay. They are given a tour of the M1A1 and the M1A2 tank. The russian generals have along with them a female interpreter who looks like a Penthouse Pet. She revealed her cleavage quite well. All training stops.

    One general and his whore walk up to the back of the tank I and the other student were sitting on and he says something to me in Russian. Photograph was the only word I could make out. Then the woman translates "Are you Americans so vein you photograph your kills?" I had no idea what she was talking about and the general became upset and pointed to the MRS (Muzzle Reference System) device on the muzzle of a tank gun. It does resemble a camera with the lense cap on but it isn't a camera. The MRS allows us to engage targets at very long ranges very accurately.
    That's all I'm saying about the MRS.

    I figured the russians didn't need to know what an MRS is and I just nodded and agreed, "it's a camera". The general got the look of satisfaction on his face.

    Then the other student, a dumbass straight boy ogling the tits caught on to the conversation and told the general all about the MRS. The general and his wench were upset with me, I could tell, the look they shot me was priceless.

    When the general and the woman left I gave veiled punch in the gut to the idiot who divulged our secret to long range accuracy and admonished him. He finally failed out of the course.

    That was during the Clinton administration. Clinton and indeed the Democrats are a bunch of communist traitors.

    Poot sees his chance, his old allies the Democrats stand better than even odds of regaining power. No wonder they're acting like the Soviets again.

    Luckily the russian T-90 tank doesn't sport an MRS. The detailed and accurate explaination of the MRS must have been way too technical for that russian general.











  • joeindallas

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    May 09, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    They should be honest and crown him TSAR.

    John concerning your comment about him being KGB Only real job George HW Bush was to be a spook for the CIA. He planned Pay of Pigs amoung other operations during the 1960'

    John you talk about the Dems as traitors. The GOP and their free trade crap has supplied China with capital to build their military services. Everytime you but a peice of Chinese made Kitch from Wal Mart you are just paying for another bullet for the PLA.
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    May 09, 2008 11:23 PM GMT
    joe, I'd like to point out the book "Year of the Rat" by Timberlake and Triplet. They provide all the evidence of how Clinton gave the Chinese our technology to build an ICBM. Now, China can deliver a nuke anywhere it wants. They didn't have that capability until Clinton gave it to them.

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    May 10, 2008 3:44 AM GMT
    Russian men are hot, its true no joke. Gays in russia arnt doing so well, look at that site www.gayrussia.ru, the situation there is grim, lots of straight guys have man on man sex however. sh--t is this off topic?
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    May 10, 2008 3:53 AM GMT
    John43620 saidjoe, I'd like to point out the book "Year of the Rat" by Timberlake and Triplet. They provide all the evidence of how Clinton gave the Chinese our technology to build an ICBM. Now, China can deliver a nuke anywhere it wants. They didn't have that capability until Clinton gave it to them.


    What the hell does Justin Timberlake know about weaponry? Don't be silly.
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    May 10, 2008 4:47 AM GMT
    Russians are hot. 'specially when they have salt and pepper moustaches crowning their strong chin and framed by a stubbled strong jaw. GrrRrr.
    How you supposed to resist a man with a moustache, in a uniform? That's like kryptonite on crack!
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    May 10, 2008 6:28 AM GMT
    jprichva, good to see you back, you were missed.

    Justin knows his stuff.

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    May 21, 2008 12:06 AM GMT
    John43620 saidjprichva, good to see you back, you were missed.

    Justin knows his stuff.

    ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YEP !!!!! HE SURE DOES KNOW HIS STUFF !!!! HE'S A DEMOCRAT TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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    May 21, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    Now back to RUSSIA !!! I've been reading that Putin is very much against bush's idea of a weapons system in Poland and Czech, I just read today that there are major demonstrations against it in both those country's and that its now appearing doubtful that the leaders in those country's will go forward with it. It seems that the populace as with most of Eastern European population see bush's idea as something that will only raise tensions, possibly bring back the cold war. The senate and congress here have refused to back the bush sceem unless the Poland and Czech parliaments approve it. It now seems doubtfull. Has anyone read of any comments about this from Medvedev? Surely he is against it too !! Personally I think this sceem of bush's is a waste of money and will not work anyway, all it can do is sour relations.
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    May 25, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    The US Navy recently shot down a satellite that was falling to earth at the speed of a MIRV. I'd say that's pretty good shooting.

    Unfortunately, such engagements on a grand scale would leave so much debris in orbit that we would be trapped on the earth's surface for centuries. That's why it's necessary to take out these missiles in their boost phase, before they reach orbit.

    Putin and Medvedev just want to start up the cold war again. They need to be nipped in the bud, John McCain would do that.

    Obama would only support the new Soviet Union. Obama doesn't understand what the Soviet Union was all about. And being a Democrat, he's all about image and no substance. The Russians would disregard Obama, it would be logical to do so.


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    May 25, 2008 5:41 AM GMT
    Eh, I think you are assuming the Russians have power and truly want another cold war. They don't. All they want is for their nation to be a superpower once again. That does not mean that they would be our enemy. When we shot down that satellite, the message was to everyone, but mainly China, who had prior, performed a similar feat.

    As for how the proposed candidates would handle the situation, McCain would undoubtedly continue the type of response the Bush administration has been pursuing (He has demonstrated this in other policy areas). The results of this have been continually deteriorating relations between Russia and the United States. We must stop this.

    As you surmised, Obama may not understand what the soviet union was all about. Well, neither does the new generation of Russians, as well as those in the other 14 nations that comprised the USSR. If we elect a man who "understands the soviets," what we'll get is probably something close to a new cold war...I don't want that, and i doubt many who have recently been introduced to war would as well.

    It's time for change.
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    May 27, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    mjmime003, This reminds me of a quote by Winston Churchill who said; "Mr. Hitler has blooded his hounds, he must now show them sport or else, be devoured by them".