Christians trying to take over American Government

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    Aug 25, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    This is truly scary. Fundamentalist Christians are really out of their minds.

    http://www.globalone.tv/forum/topics/evangelicals-engaged-in-spiritual-warfare
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    Aug 25, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
    Very troubling.



    Interview Highlights (but one should read the full article for the background)


    On the issues of the international "apostolic and prophetic" movement




    "[Their issues are] anti-abortion, anti-gay rights — but they also have ... the belief that government should not be involved in social safety nets, that the country is becoming socialist, if not communist ... — all of what we've come to call 'Tea Party issues' of very small government. In the case of the apostles, they believe this because they believe that a large government that handles the safety net is taking away what is the domain of the church and of Christianity."



    On dominionism




    "Dominionism is simply that Christians of this belief system must take control over the various institutions of society and government. Some things that make this group unique is that they have some unusual concepts of what they call spiritual warfare that have not been seen before in other groups. Spiritual warfare is a common term in evangelicalism and in Christianity, but they have some unique approaches and some unique spins on this that distinguish them from other groups."



    On Thomas Muthee's video series




    "The process [in these videos] is that the people come together, repent, pray together, expel the demons from their community — which they describe in terms of witches and witchcraft — and then the community undergoes a transformation in which there can be miraculous healing, the growth of very large vegetables [and] the end of corruption and crime. What was totally missed by the press was that Muthee was an international leader in the [NAR] movement at the time and recognized because of his role in this series of videos."



    On the topics at Rick Perry's rally




    "The major topics at these events [are] anti-abortion, anti-gay rights and the conversion of Jews in order to advance the end times. And this was very visible at Perry's events as these apostles led all of these different prayers and repentance ceremonies at [his rally]."

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    Aug 26, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    I think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.



    But what would we do with peaceful religions such as Buddhism?
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.


    You're just as much out of your mind as those fundamentalists!
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.



    But what would we do with peaceful religions such as Buddhism?
    Buddhism is not a religion. It's an evolving psychological approach to nature.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.


    You're just as much out of your mind as those fundamentalists!
    So you want them to rule the country? If they're allowed to continue, that's exactly what will eventually happen.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    No I do not want them to rule the country. But what you're calling for is troubling. Religion is already a declining phenomenon, and it's bound to be extinct one way or another. These people are harmless. You're just instilling fear here.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Mepark said
    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.


    You're just as much out of your mind as those fundamentalists!
    So you want them to rule the country? If they're allowed to continue, that's exactly what will eventually happen.



    Yes, but you can't outlaw peaceful assembly. That's insane. Talk about a slippery slope!
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
    Mepark saidNo I do not want them to rule the country. But you're calling for is troubling. Religion is already a declining phenomenon, and it's bound to be extinct one way or another. These people are harmless. You're just instilling fear in people here.



    Have you looked at the GOP candidates lately?
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    paulflexes said
    Mepark said
    paulflexes saidI think it's time for me to resurrect that thread I made a few weks ago about how the US should completely ban religion altogether. Too bad I didn't bookmark it or remember the thread title, or I would.

    That wouldn't stop the problems, but it would certainly slow down the bullshit. Religion has been a hindrance to this entire country ever since it was introduced here. It has caused more death, hatred, and wars than anything else in the history of mankind.


    You're just as much out of your mind as those fundamentalists!
    So you want them to rule the country? If they're allowed to continue, that's exactly what will eventually happen.



    Yes, but you can't outlaw peaceful assembly. That's insane. Talk about a slippery slope!
    No assembly that preaches the old testament is peaceful.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    Mepark saidNo I do not want them to rule the country. But you're calling for is troubling. Religion is already a declining phenomenon, and it's bound to be extinct one way or another. These people are harmless. You're just instilling fear in people here.



    Have you looked at the GOP candidates lately?


    Yes I call them geniuses for their strategies of drawing voters. It's also bullshit and empty talk.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidNo assembly that preaches the old testament is peaceful.



    That's actually not true. There are some groups that are very non-political and some don't even interpret literally.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    paulflexes saidNo assembly that preaches the old testament is peaceful.



    That's actually not true. There are some groups that are very non-political and some don't even interpret literally.
    Those groups are few and far between...never ran across one myself. I was raised in a fundamental church, and went to several. All preached hate toward 'sinners' and wanted religion to rule the land.

    The ones who are truly peaceful would understand if religion were banned, and would continue to teach (not preach) love.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    I see this surge in activity as the dying throes of primitive belief systems as their adherants become fewer and fewer aginst the inexorable effect of education; - hence their frantic desire to take control of all means of education the population before they die out completely.

    I am confident that will not happen, as they are, in truth, a very small, desperate minority.

    Religion is dying out because:

    1. People are increasingly discovering it to be redundant.

    2. Rather embarassing in which to profess uncritical belief, as the historical teachings become increasingly accepted as mythical; its moral teachings inconsisent often to a ridiculous extent, its body of laws absurd.

    Stripped of all that, it is a collection of parables with messages that are more effectively related by classic fairy tales.
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    Aug 26, 2011 1:17 AM GMT
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    We had such a good time at Jesus Land. Ya know, I heard a little girl got killed last year on their roller coaster. But it's okay...she was saved.
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    Aug 26, 2011 1:50 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidrollercoasterd.jpg


    We had such a good time at Jesus Land. Ya know, I heard a little girl got killed last year on their roller coaster. But it's okay...she was saved.



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    dogdamn you, scruffypup.

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    Aug 26, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    I'd say the vast majority of self-identified evangelicals and fundamentalists wouldn't object to a Dominionist regime; however independents and moderates far outnumber the relatively powerless extreme fringes of Dominionism.

    They (Dominionists) are a fringe cult that are largely racist and are heretics as far as their application of scripture goes.

    And banning these loony-toon folks on account of their beliefs would be unconstitutional.

    As for Rick Perry and Bachmann, they play well to their prospective audiences, but would likely tack more to the center after the primaries (assuming that either one got the nomination).

    Perry himself is enjoying a post announcement bump which should start to fade off a bit I'm the next few weeks.
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    Aug 26, 2011 12:25 PM GMT
    America being the birth place of many religions, that are keeping religion alive and awake in Europe, were it was dying. SO religion in the worlds most Christain country America, is not going anywhere. Even your beloved Obama said not long ago, that : America is "One Nation Under God!" Suppose if you don't like it, you can always move.

    But Religion already rules in the US of A. Separation of Church and State; icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 26, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    I don't think it's something that should be banned, but we aren't in 700AD, 1492, or the 1800's. Everything needs to be evaluated to catch up to the society we live in. I don't think anyone would disagree that; Murder is bad, stealing is bad, adultery isn't a good thing, but we can't continue to grow and expand as a country, get out of the messes we have gotten into with "religiously' driven leaders if we keep falling back on to ideals that don't apply to today's world.
    Laws are written by the government, religious texts are just stories they shouldn't be intertwined. If they are, why not just base our laws of the cartoon Garfiled or Calvin and Hobbs. Same difference.
    These nut jobs are the same thing, different text, that are fighting in the middle east and have been well before we got involved for oil.
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    Aug 26, 2011 3:52 PM GMT
    I am a fundamentalist Christian, meaning I believe the Fundamentals of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which I believe most here have no clue what-so-ever of what these fundamental beliefs actually are. I see no reason for hostility toward true Christianity, but admit many alleged followers of Jesus are misguided and hurtful..

    Dominion-ism is a cult that true Christians reject outright.

    As being Christian, we are guided by the three Laws of Jesus Christ.

    LAW 1: The Royal Law of Love: Mt 22:36-40
    "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And Jesus said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' NASU

    The Apostle John declares that God is Love.


    Law 2: The LAW OF LIBERTY: Lk 6:36-38: Jesus speaking: "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure — pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return." NASU

    LAW 3: The Law of the indwelling Holy Spirit of God.
    Ro 8:1-11
    Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. FOR WHAT THE [Mosaic] LAW COULD NOT DO, WEAK AS IT WAS THROUGH THE FLESH, GOD DID: SENDING HIS OWN SON IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH AND AS AN OFFERING OF SINFUL FLESH AND AS AN OFFERING FOR SIN, HE CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH, SO THAT THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. NASU

    This 3rd Law will be very hard for most here to understand. I will explain it.

    During his lifetime Jesus did what no other human was capable of ever doing, He kept the entire Mosaic Law until His death. Thus He offered Himself, as the perfect sinless Lamb of God, to suffer the death of a sinner, thereby Jesus became the perfect Lamb of God, whose blood atones (covers) all sins of those who believes in Jesus and and accept His blood covering for all there sins, past, present, and future.

    Thus salvation and eternal life, the good abundant life, is truly a free gift from God the Father through His only begotten Son, which we receive not by becoming sinless, but by believing God and accepting His free gift.

    Moses, who wrote the Mosaic Laws as God dictated, was not allowed to lead the peoples of the Exodus into the promised lad after 40 years of wandering in land we call Saudi Arabia today. The reason Moses was not permitted to enter the promised land is because Moses violated the very Covenant that bears his name.

    Buddha was like Moses, Buddha gave paths to a goal that no human could attain. They were good paths with good goals, but sin always wins out, Karma always grows, men are incapable of reaching the ultimate goal Buddha set. So God made it easy for salvation and eternal life, the good abundant life, through His only begotten God of God.

    That's it, that is the gospel., the good news. As Billy Graham always spoke: "Come as you are?"

    You can be gay and be a Christian. But you will be under the 3 laws given above. You will have to truly love others as you love yourself, and treat them as you wish to be treated, presumably with respect and true love.

    And upon Jesus death, the following occurred, As predicted many by Zechariah 11: 7-14. God speaking:

    7 So I pastured the flock doomed to slaughter, hence the afflicted of the flock. And I took for myself two staffs: the one I called Favor and the other I called Union; so I pastured the flock. Then I annihilated the three shepherds in one month, for my soul was impatient with them, and their soul also was weary of me. Then I said, "I will not pasture you. What is to die, let it die, and what is to be annihilated, let it be annihilated; and let those who are left eat one another's flesh." I took my staff Favor and cut it in pieces, to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples. So it was broken on that day, and thus the afflicted of the flock who were watching me realized that it was the word of the LORD. I SAID TO THEM, "IF IT GOOD IN YOUR SIGHT, GIVE ME MY WAGES; BUT IF NOT, NEVER MIND!" So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. Then the LORD said to me, "THROW IT TO THE POTTER, THAT MAGNIFICENT PRICE AS WHAT I WAS VALUED BY THEM." So I took the THIRTY SHEKELS OF SILVER AND THREW THEM TO THE POTTER IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD. Then I cut in pieces my second staff Union, to break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. NASU

    God made only one Bilateral Contract with all the peoples, The Mosaic Covenant. God annihilated the Mosaic Covenant upon Jesus death, having fulfilled the Law for all who believe in Him, and who simply accept the Blood Jesus shed on the cross as a covering and forgiveness of all sins for all time. Thus the Jewish diaspora began, and it ended in 1947.

    BTW, time is always finite, it can not be infinite. Nothing in our physical universe can be infinite, except perhaps God's love for us.
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    Aug 26, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    @ ZacktheMan -

    #1. I was born and raised into a fundamentalist home and know more about fundamentalism than I care to.

    #2. All that information you posted is simply cherry picking (as is the norm for Christians.) You pick what sounds good from the Bible and leave the rest. That's very convenient isn't it?
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    Aug 26, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
    ZacktheMan saidI am a fundamentalist Christian, meaning I believe the Fundamentals of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which I believe most here have no clue what-so-ever of what these fundamental beliefs actually are.

    Are you for real? You think everyone here was born and raised in a vacuum? Get real! Your statement is pure arrogant bullshit (which is a main reason for the hostility!).
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    Aug 26, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said@ ZacktheMan -

    #1. I was born and raised into a fundamentalist home and know more about fundamentalism than I care to.

    #2. All that information you posted is simply cherry picking (as is the norm for Christians.) You pick what sounds good from the Bible and leave the rest. That's very convenient isn't it?


    Hey Scruffy, I am not cherry picking, I'm all over my fellow Christians who do what this thread is concerned about, and with great success to. Because you were brought up in a misguided form of Christianity does not mean we all were.

    You remind of a movie where this man, while imprisoned in a Roman prison, converts to Christianity right before being released. On the day he is released from prison, Rome is on fire. He hears the rumors planted by Emperor Nero that the Christians are burning down Rome. Being a new Christian, he wishes to join his fellow Christians in burning down Rome and he does so. And then you come to me and tell me what this guy is what Christianity is all about. Try sticking with what the word of God as taken in full context of the Bible.
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    Aug 26, 2011 4:38 PM GMT



    Yes, but you can't outlaw peaceful assembly. That's insane. Talk about a slippery slope!No assembly that preaches the old testament is peaceful.[/quote]

    I'm sympathetic - but there are also the "minor prophets" such as Micah, who preach a red-hot social justice sermon.