Thoughts on the Longhorn Network/ESPN?

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    Aug 26, 2011 2:23 PM GMT
    In honor of the Big 12 taking another step back today, the Longhorn Network officialy begins at 6/5ct. Call me bias, being a soon to be Texas Tech alum, but really?

    I've always been a HUGE ESPN fan. I watch Sportscenter at least twice a day, and I have always enjoyed their broadcasts. However, with their recent backing of the Longhorn Network, their disgusting advertising just seems unfair to the rest of college football. Did the Big 10 Network get THIS much advertisement? I understand that UT "should be" a dominant powerhouse every year. They get the cream of the crop in this football oriented state, but this "brick by brick" crap? How do you rebuild a team that already has the best players in the state?

    Anyway, for those sports lovers on here .... I'd like to hear what other people think about this combination of ESPN/LHN. Is anyone else mad or disappointed at the way ESPN has handled it? Selling out to a college? Or are some of you in support of this?
  • ohioguy12

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    Aug 26, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    LHN is bad for college sports, and for the Big XII (10), but I can't blame Texas for taking that boatload of money. Not every school has the ability to have their own network, but Texas had the opportunity and ran with it. I can't blame schools like aTm being pissed that Texas is getting all of that money and exposure. I'm not disguisted with the advertising as much as you, but ESPN has a product, and they want to make sure it's advertised properly.
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    Aug 26, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    I don't think that any conference can survive with Texas in it. That school just creates too many problems. When the Big XII dies (probably in a year or two) it will be the second conference Texas has killed (remember the old Southwest Conference?) Texas doesn't need the money; it already has the largest athletics budget in the country. It's just about ego, which the residents of Texas already have a lot of but can't pass up the opportunity to boost anymore.

    I don't blame Texas A&M or Colorado for leaving. A&M is upfront about the money and exposure bias, and Colorado was honest about seeking a new avenue to try and be competitive. I found Nebraska's antics to be pretty embarrassing when they left, though, but they've been put in a sore state of mind with their football team unable to win the Big XII in over a decade.

    As far as ESPN is concerned, I'm pretty sure that it's destroying amateur athletics. The added exposure and money has led to retardedly huge D1 men's basketball and football coach salaries, while student athletes and student bodies aren't really benefiting at all. It's too bad, but the non-revenue sports are still really fun to watch, and I appreciate the hard work those that student-athletes put in.
  • patmos9990

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    Aug 26, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    It's all about the money which unfortunately is what college sports are these days. It's definately an unfair advantage that they have over the other schools. Having said that, I hate Texas and if Oklahoma would get their own network, I'd be hooked on watching it especially if they could combine Oklahoma and Oklahoma State into the same network.
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    Aug 26, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    Even as a Longhorn I think it's ridiculous. I understand taking the money but come on... I'll be watching every so often but I'm not really on board.

    Hook em!
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    Aug 27, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
    haha I like that man ... even a Longhorn isn't on board. Naturally, I hate them as I'm sure you think Tech is a joke... but I still respect them. They're lucky for what they have, but I agree with the rest of these guys that it just kills the Big 12. A&M is leaving because of this network, I think.

    Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only person that feels this way about it haha. It'll be a fun last year for the Big 12 though. Unless, of course, SMU joins in place of A&M.... I actually kind of support that.
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    Aug 27, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    redraider1014 saidhaha I like that man ... even a Longhorn isn't on board. Naturally, I hate them as I'm sure you think Tech is a joke... but I still respect them. They're lucky for what they have, but I agree with the rest of these guys that it just kills the Big 12. A&M is leaving because of this network, I think.

    Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only person that feels this way about it haha. It'll be a fun last year for the Big 12 though. Unless, of course, SMU joins in place of A&M.... I actually kind of support that.


    Don't want to push anyone's buttons, but I don't really think the conference needs any more influence from the state of Texas. SMU also doesn't add anything to the conference. They're not good at any sports and the Big XII already has that TV market cornered.

    My unsolicited two cents...
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    Aug 27, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    AJKU31 said
    redraider1014 saidhaha I like that man ... even a Longhorn isn't on board. Naturally, I hate them as I'm sure you think Tech is a joke... but I still respect them. They're lucky for what they have, but I agree with the rest of these guys that it just kills the Big 12. A&M is leaving because of this network, I think.

    Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only person that feels this way about it haha. It'll be a fun last year for the Big 12 though. Unless, of course, SMU joins in place of A&M.... I actually kind of support that.


    Don't want to push anyone's buttons, but I don't really think the conference needs any more influence from the state of Texas. SMU also doesn't add anything to the conference. They're not good at any sports and the Big XII already has that TV market cornered.

    My unsolicited two cents...


    I agree, I think the Big XII is better serve adding BYU, maybe even Louisville if they want to leave the Big East.
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:34 AM GMT
    ohioguy12 said
    AJKU31 said
    redraider1014 saidhaha I like that man ... even a Longhorn isn't on board. Naturally, I hate them as I'm sure you think Tech is a joke... but I still respect them. They're lucky for what they have, but I agree with the rest of these guys that it just kills the Big 12. A&M is leaving because of this network, I think.

    Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only person that feels this way about it haha. It'll be a fun last year for the Big 12 though. Unless, of course, SMU joins in place of A&M.... I actually kind of support that.


    Don't want to push anyone's buttons, but I don't really think the conference needs any more influence from the state of Texas. SMU also doesn't add anything to the conference. They're not good at any sports and the Big XII already has that TV market cornered.

    My unsolicited two cents...


    I agree, I think the Big XII is better serve adding BYU, maybe even Louisville if they want to leave the Big East.


    Best case scenario, add BYU and Notre Dame. Then the baptists at Baylor can play the mormons at BYU and the Catholics at Notre Dame. Religious rivalries, anyone?!
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:49 AM GMT
    Everyone should stop crying and up their game. You can't blame UT for taking the deal. With the way that schools are funded these days with budget cut backs schools have to get creative with their funding.

    Everyone needs to remember that the profits from the football program funds all of the other sports and a lot of the academics at big schools. Also, UT has a lot of loyal alums that donate to their alma mater which helps the school stay at the top.

    As a UT alum, I applaud the athletics department for the decision and I make no apologies for it. It's not like there weren't other very successful schools in the Big XII (Nebraska, OU). They don't have as big of a budget, but it can be argued (especially in the case of OU) that they were able to put a competitive product on the field that is not only able to hang with, but BEAT UT. The problem with the Big XII is that it is full of cry-baby schools that need to quit their whining and start winning.
  • crownroyal117

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:30 AM GMT
    One school, even UT with its top merchandising and band wagon following, can not support their own network. Go check your cable or dish provider and see what channel LHN is on... .guess what, probably nothing. Because the providers (outside of texas) realize it's not worthwhile.

    UT has gouged the other Big 12 schools long enough and its crumbling around them. Could of righted the ship and joined the Pac10 but they would of had to split money equally, so they bailed, and their lackies followed suit. So now A&M will peace out for greener pastures and the Big12 will only get weaker (to the likes of the big east) or just implode.... i'm hoping for option 2.

    Oh and Notre Dame would never join, they enjoy getting all the profits from NBC TV contract and not spliting money from bowl games, part of the reason why BYU did the same.
  • prime02

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
    True, ND will continue to be independent, but I can see SMU coming into the mix. I hate the longhorns (USC alum still bitter from the NC game) but you can't blame them for taking the money. Did it leave the rest of the Big12 with sour grapes? Yes. One of the reasons why the super conference some time back, Pac 16, didn't come about was because UT went with their own network where they would profit more.

    Let UT have their time in the sun, but I don't think the network will last.
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    Aug 27, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
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    redraider1014 saidhaha I like that man ... even a Longhorn isn't on board. Naturally, I hate them as I'm sure you think Tech is a joke... but I still respect them. They're lucky for what they have, but I agree with the rest of these guys that it just kills the Big 12. A&M is leaving because of this network, I think.

    Oh well, I'm glad I'm not the only person that feels this way about it haha. It'll be a fun last year for the Big 12 though. Unless, of course, SMU joins in place of A&M.... I actually kind of support that.


    Don't want to push anyone's buttons, but I don't really think the conference needs any more influence from the state of Texas. SMU also doesn't add anything to the conference. They're not good at any sports and the Big XII already has that TV market cornered.

    My unsolicited two cents...


    Yeah I agree with that. They bring very little to the conference at this point, and they take away from the recruiting in the state as well, but it's better than some of the options open. I agree with BYU being a great fit ... although they don't make much sense geographically. If that's the case, TCU should have waited and joined the conference (at least they have better standing than SMU).
  • studflyboy87

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    Aug 27, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    I am just happy that Colorado left the Big 12 and joined the conference of champions, where real football is played. I am happy to let Texas be good ole Texas.
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    Given that Texas completely sold out the Big 12 for its own gluttony, I'm waiting for them to become an Independent in the next 3 years. Frankly, it would be an EPIC FAIL for most college athletics fans, but once the conferences started shifting allegiances last year, there's little impetus for schools to show any sort of allegiance to their conference.

    Apparently, everything (especially egos) is bigger in Texas.
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    Aug 27, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    ksig121 saidEveryone should stop crying and up their game. You can't blame UT for taking the deal. With the way that schools are funded these days with budget cut backs schools have to get creative with their funding.

    Everyone needs to remember that the profits from the football program funds all of the other sports and a lot of the academics at big schools. Also, UT has a lot of loyal alums that donate to their alma mater which helps the school stay at the top.

    As a UT alum, I applaud the athletics department for the decision and I make no apologies for it. It's not like there weren't other very successful schools in the Big XII (Nebraska, OU). They don't have as big of a budget, but it can be argued (especially in the case of OU) that they were able to put a competitive product on the field that is not only able to hang with, but BEAT UT. The problem with the Big XII is that it is full of cry-baby schools that need to quit their whining and start winning.


    It's a mistake to think that people dislike Texas because their school can't win against UT. Oklahoma has won 5 of the last 7 football championships, and KU has won the last 7 men's basketball championships, including 5 of the last 6 championship tournaments. Texas has by far won the most Big XII titles, but they have done so by winning non-revenue sports, particularly ones that many schools in the Big XII don't participate in, such as swimming and tennis. Nebraska absolutely left because they couldn't win, the other schools may gripe with Texas, but it's not because they can't compete.

    Other schools hate being in the same conference as Texas and Texas continually kills conferences, because of statements such as those that you made. You don't really have anything to substantiate your claim, but it doesn't stop you from labeling all other Big XII schools as "cry-baby schools that need to quit their whining."

    Perhaps instead the supporters of UT need a reality check and a little humility?
  • waccamatt

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    I don't think the other schools in the Big XII should give in to Texas so easily. If Texas goes independent it will severely hurt all of their programs. Of course that wouldn't bother me in the least. The arrogant need a dose of humility from time to time.
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    I think that you guys are missing the point. The reason why UT has so much money is that there are a TON of rich and powerful alums from the school that support it. The administration of UT has do what is best for UT. Just like the a&m board is doing what they feel is best for a&m by bolting to the SEC. I don't blame them. I would too in their position.

    Again, school funding has been gutted in Texas and this move was not only for UT athletics, but it was also to support the academic programs at the school as well. This is a fact, not an unsubstantiated claim.

    All of the member schools of the conference voted for the rule that allowed ANY school in the Big XII to start their own network. If a school can't make a good enough case to one of the networks to have their own network, then that's not UT's fault or problem.

    Having humility is not the same as going against your own best interest so that an inferior school administration can continue to be lazy and not go after all the funding that they want or need. When I say that the other member schools need to up their game, this is what I meant.