College asks about sexual orientation.

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    Aug 26, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    Elmhurst College put a question on its admissions application that won’t appear on any other school's application.

    "Would you consider yourself to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community?”

    That optional question makes Elmhurst the first school in the country to ask applicants about their sexual orientation or gender identity, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

    Gary Rold, the dean of students at Elmhurst, stressed the question falls in line with the campus’ mission statement to increase diversity.

    "We're offering an incentive to a group of students who are looking for a home and may not find that in a lot of other places, we consider that a good thing. It's very consistent with our mission," said Rold.

    Prospective freshmen and transfer students applying for the 2012 fall semester will become the first group of applicants to check "yes," "no" or "prefer not to answer." Their answers will not play a role in the admissions process. A "yes" answer could put students in line to qualify for a scholarship worth one-third of tuition at the private, liberal arts school affiliated with the United Church of Christ, said Rold.

    The college also plans to direct students to groups or resources to help them feel more comfortable on campus.

    "We try really hard to take good care of students, have them graduate and be successful citizens in the world,” he said.

    Modesto Tico Valle, CEO of Center on Halsted in Chicago, called the move another step in the right direction.

    "As our society continues to become more open and welcoming to Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender people, it makes sense that institutions are giving individuals more opportunities to express their diversity," Tico Valle said. "We trust Elmurst is working to foster a culture where LGBT students feel welcome and safe not only in the application process but throughout their entire college career."

    Not everyone feels that way.

    "In defending their decision to include a question about 'sexual orientation,' by asserting an offensive and absurd comparison of race to a condition constituted by subjective desire and volitional sexual acts, Elmhurst College administrators reveal their own ignorance," said David E. Smith, executive director of Illinois Family Institute, in a statement.

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Elmhurst-College-to-Ask-About-Sexual-Orientation--128378348.html
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    Aug 26, 2011 5:37 PM GMT
    If someone answers "no" then later comes out of the closet, will they be expelled for lying on their application?
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    Aug 26, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    It kind of feels like the school is trying to put a target on the individual students who check yes or prefer not to say. Provided that Dean is being honest I see where he is coming from but it could be problematic to some students.I guess its a good thing its optional.
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    Aug 26, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
    Alright free money!!
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    Aug 26, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
    theantijock saidWhat if someone lies to get the scholarship. There ought to be a process to prove it to someone qualified to judge. I can't wait to read the advertisement for that job opening.

    PS, Paul, I call dibs.
    You can have it. I sit back and take pictures and video of the process for the documentary that will inevitably be produced about it when it all blows up in their face. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 26, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    I as white as they come and I refuse to answer that question, why would I tell them that I am gay?

    ITs none of their fucking business. You are there to get an education not a date.
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    Aug 26, 2011 7:40 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidI as white as they come and I refuse to answer that question, why would I tell them that I am gay?

    ITs none of their fucking business. You are there to get an education not a date.


    So don't answer.

    But this is common in corporate America, now - HR will ask folks if they self-identify as LGBT. Not for any nefarious purposes, but because companies want to be able to goose their numbers to look good on diversity surveys. Not everyone where I work self-identifies, but I do. I want the greater world to know that we exist.
  • easterndude69

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    Aug 26, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    People will just lie about being gay to get the scholarship! I think I would be honest. I'm not ashamed of my gay status one bit
  • Anto

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    Aug 26, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidIf I was straight and knew that the guy sitting next to me got one third off his tuition 'cos he wanted my dick, I might be a little pissed off about that.


    Maybe temper that feeling with knowledge that he may be disadvantaged for wanting dick.
  • hyperionx

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    Aug 26, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    Good intentions, poor execution.
  • Latenight30

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    Aug 26, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
    Lets turn this around...
    I check yes I am a HOMO...
    Then I get bullied by someone, well the school knew I was a homo so if the state has protection under sexual identity and hate crime laws, the schools would be responsible for my safety.
  • waccamatt

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    Aug 26, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    The other students aren't going to know how you answered on your application. I commend the school for wanting to increase their diversity. How many high school students are going to ask that question truthfully, however?
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    Yeah, as a high schooler, I would have probably answered no. So there's already problem there.

    However, I do commend the school for making efforts to increase diversity (so long as the student really is admitted on merit, not simply because of sexuality). And with its goal of increasing diversity, I think it's a smart move to create financial incentives to attract more students. I (and probably many LGBT kids) would not want to attend a private christian school..it just sounds unappealing to me....but I think 33% off is a pretty good deal. =P
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    I know I would say yes for the scholarships.



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    Aug 27, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    JP85257 saidI as white as they come and I refuse to answer that question, why would I tell them that I am gay?

    ITs none of their fucking business. You are there to get an education not a date.


    And for those who are illiterate like ^, it's called scholarship money, which, if awarded, will pay for a third of the tuition.
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
    This is stupid, i cant wait for it to blow up in their faces..
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:45 AM GMT
    If this is about "diversity" and "opportunities for a minority group"....if you were straight would you "suck dick" to get a free education? Some have been willing to NOT suck dick to be in the military to get their education paid for..... just a reverse twist on the question...icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    This a good thing. Next stop...the Census.
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    Aug 27, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
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    JP85257 saidI as white as they come and I refuse to answer that question, why would I tell them that I am gay?

    ITs none of their fucking business. You are there to get an education not a date.


    So don't answer.

    But this is common in corporate America, now - HR will ask folks if they self-identify as LGBT. Not for any nefarious purposes, but because companies want to be able to goose their numbers to look good on diversity surveys. Not everyone where I work self-identifies, but I do. I want the greater world to know that we exist.


    And the world greater because of it!
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    Aug 27, 2011 1:28 AM GMT
    Allathlete said
    JP85257 saidI as white as they come and I refuse to answer that question, why would I tell them that I am gay?

    ITs none of their fucking business. You are there to get an education not a date.


    And for those who are illiterate like ^, it's called scholarship money, which, if awarded, will pay for a third of the tuition.

    If you cant get a scholarship on your merit then you are the illiterate fuck.

    Scholarships should be based on grades and performance...Not race and what you fuck.