Rick Perry Signs Pledge Supporting A Constitutional Ban On Gay Marriage

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    Aug 26, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/perry-signs-pledge-anti-gay-marriage-amendment-161046437.html

    All the major contenders for the Repub presidential nomination have now signed the pledge to work to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage.
  • rnch

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    Aug 26, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    WHY any self respecting gay man would vote for any of the current crop of GOP/teabagger candidates is beyond my comprehension.

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    Aug 26, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
    But all the usual right-wingers here will support this. Here's what we'll hear in the months ahead:

    - I'm really pro-gay, but I support Republican candidates who are all anti-gay.
    - I'm really pro-gay, but I oppose all pro-gay candidates.
    - Gay rights issues are of no importance, it's all about the economy and letting corporations operate unfettered & unregulated.
    - Gay rights issues are of no importance, it's all about national security, and sealing our borders.
    - Gay rights will destroy the United States.
    - Anyone who wants gay rights is delusional, schizophrenic, and paranoid.

    You've seen the pattern here before, and you'll continue to see it. When you operate off a script, you really are kinda limited, aren't you?
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    Aug 26, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    rnch saidWHY any self respecting gay man would vote for any of the current crop of GOP/teabagger candidates is beyond my comprehension.

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    self respecting gay man<--- thats your key.
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    Aug 27, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    rnch saidWHY any self respecting gay man would vote for any of the current crop of GOP/teabagger candidates is beyond my comprehension.

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    self respecting gay man<--- thats your key.

    I would make the key word GAY man -- the gay credentials of these guys are weak indeed. They come here with a right-wing agenda to attack gays, yet they claim to be gay themselves? They say they are gay, but forward the political goals of the extreme right wing's anti-gay crusade?

    They each claim to be one of us, but they attack our pro-gay allies, and endorse our enemies? Yeah, you're correct, it is indeed beyond comprehension, and also gullibility.

    Wake up guys, you're being conned. And in the months ahead, you will continue to hear Obama & Democrats being bashed by them, as you have before, and be listening to how great the likes of anti-gay Perry, Romney, Bachmann, and all other Christian Right Republicans are. I agree with TropicalMark, these guys are not self-respecting gay men.
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:58 AM GMT
    Sorry, SB.
    But your comments are factually inaccurate bullshit.

    DADT got repealed because almost every single Democrat in the Congress voted to repeal it - and because President Obama signed the repeal of DADT into law.

    Almost every single Republican voted AGAINST allowing gay soldiers to serve openly.
    The most fierce and bitter opponent of repealing DADT in the Congress was Sen. John McCain.

    If you Repubs had gotten your way, McCain would have been president instead of President Obama.
    AND DADT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN REPEALED.

    Electing president Obama produced real Change for gay Americans.

    And REelecting him will produce MORE real Change.
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    Aug 27, 2011 10:56 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I would make the key word GAY man -- the gay credentials of these guys are weak indeed. They come here with a right-wing agenda to attack gays, yet they claim to be gay themselves? They say they are gay, but forward the political goals of the extreme right wing's anti-gay crusade?


    Uh oh... did your medication blow away in the 15mph "Hurricane Force" winds along with the "flying debris?"

    Art_Deco saidThey each claim to be one of us, but they attack our pro-gay allies, and endorse our enemies?


    Your "pro-gay allies" didn't enable gay marriage when they controlled the Congress and Presidency for 2 years.

    Your "pro-gay President" supports civil unions. He does NOT support gay marriage.

    Your "pro-gay allies" are wrecking the economy and the spirit of the people of this country.
    Art_Deco said
    Wake up, guys you're being conned.


    It's a shame that so many gays have such misplaced priorities that they support a party that - when it had the chance - did NOT "give" gays what they say time and time again (especially during election campaigns) that they "support." But the gays get suckered every election day and vote Democrat.
    Art_Deco said I agree with TropicalMark, these guys are not self-respecting gay men.


    Ah.... the alternate to "self-loathing."

    You're as wrong as that as you were about Hurricane Irene "likely" hitting Florida with "flying debris" and "smashed windows."




    Ah but SB .... this AIN'T the defending the democrats threat on gay rights because THEY have been on the forefront ... no matter how slowly on recognizing our rights
    This is a thread on Rick Perry and the republicans institutionalized homophobia

    Nada Mas

    You wanna defend him ? Go 'head that's your right
    If you can see fit to continue to support him as a gay man after what he just did .... mo' power to ya icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 27, 2011 11:49 AM GMT
    RickRick91 saidSorry, SB.
    But your comments are factually inaccurate bullshit.

    DADT got repealed because almost every single Democrat in the Congress voted to repeal it - and because President Obama signed the repeal of DADT into law.

    Almost every single Republican voted AGAINST allowing gay soldiers to serve openly.
    The most fierce and bitter opponent of repealing DADT in the Congress was Sen. John McCain.

    If you Repubs had gotten your way, McCain would have been president instead of President Obama.
    AND DADT WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN REPEALED.

    Electing president Obama produced real Change for gay Americans.

    And REelecting him will produce MORE real Change.




    once again, southbeach jane lies.


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    Aug 27, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    GQjock saidYou wanna defend him ? Go 'head that's your right
    If you can see fit to continue to support him as a gay man after what he just did .... mo' power to ya icon_confused.gif

    You'll see a number of these guys saying the illogical. It's what happens when you're operating off a script.

    We also saw this Republican support argument here during the 2008 and 2010 US elections. It goes like this: Democrats have given gays some things, but not everything, therefore, punish them and vote for Republicans, who have given gays nothing, and want to take everything away. My late Mother used to call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

    Makes good sense, huh? It's from the script that tries to weaken gay support for Democrats, which Republicans want to break. That's why some of these guys are here, and post an unending stream of extreme right-wing articles critical of Dems & Obama, many of these pieces total fabrications and always distortions of the truth. Do they ever post much of anything else here, in a gay health & fitness site?

    Oh, and when called on it, what is their response here? Change the subject to personal attacks. Again, straight from the script. You see it being done nationally, and you're seeing it here.

    But at least Perry is on record as being officially hostile to gays, and we can see who endorses him here, with their own track record on these issues. From that you may draw your own conclusions.
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    Aug 27, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
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    GQjock saidYou wanna defend him ? Go 'head that's your right
    If you can see fit to continue to support him as a gay man after what he just did .... mo' power to ya icon_confused.gif

    You'll see a number of these guys saying the illogical. It's what happens when you're operating off a script.

    We also saw this Republican support argument here during the 2008 and 2010 US elections. It goes like this: Democrats have given gays some things, but not everything, therefore, punish them and vote for Republicans, who have given gays nothing, and want to take everything away. My late Mother used to call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

    Makes good sense, huh? It's from the script that tries to weaken gay support for Democrats, which Republicans want to break. That's why some of these guys are here, and post an unending stream of extreme right-wing articles critical of Dems & Obama, many of these pieces total fabrications and always distortions of the truth. Do they ever post much of anything else here, in a gay health & fitness site?

    Oh, and when called on it, what is their response here? Change the subject to personal attacks. Again, straight from the script. You see it being done nationally, and you're seeing it here.

    But at least Perry is on record as being officially hostile to gays, and we can see who endorses him here, with their own track record on these issues. From that you may draw your own conclusions.


    Inasmuch as that sounds like paranoid thinking, it does provide a logical explanation for the inexplicable behaviour of the apologists (not reading links; insisting an article says the opposite of what it says, and historical inaccuracy (to put it generously). These people cannot be totally insane, which leaves only that they do what they do on purpose, for a purpose; Art_Deco's hypothesis explains it all simply and easily -they are lying; they know it; and they intend to keep lying. They are the gay GOP version of AIPAC. Is it coordinated by any group or are they "lone gunmen"?
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    Aug 27, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian saidThese people cannot be totally insane, which leaves only that they do what they do on purpose, for a purpose; Art_Deco's hypothesis explains it all simply and easily -they are lying; they know it; and they intend to keep lying. They are the gay GOP version of AIPAC. Is it coordinated by any group or are they "lone gunmen"?

    The question of coordinated vs. lone gunman is one I haven't been able to determine. When I say "working from a script" it could either be one they were given, or one they themselves chose to borrow.

    The politicians on the Right and their media outlets have long been observed to disseminate the same talking points very rapidly, but even there it is has been difficult to establish overt coordination or mere parroting by like-minded individuals. If you regularly visit the online sites of right-wing organizations, as we know some guys here do by the links to them they post daily, then it's entirely plausible that this propaganda is being independently culled by them for posting here, rather than taken from some media packet sent to them.

    In either case, it is full of lies and half-truths as you point out, meant to mislead & deceive. And clearly to attain a result which I contend is hostile to the interests of most of us here, and the objectives of this site.

    But that returns us to mch's comment above: "WHY any self respecting gay man would vote for any of the current crop of GOP/teabagger candidates is beyond my comprehension." Their motive still fascinates me. And one that interestingly is incompletely & poorly explained by the individuals themselves, which itself might provide some clues.
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    Aug 27, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    GQjock saidYou wanna defend him ? Go 'head that's your right
    If you can see fit to continue to support him as a gay man after what he just did .... mo' power to ya icon_confused.gif

    You'll see a number of these guys saying the illogical. It's what happens when you're operating off a script.

    We also saw this Republican support argument here during the 2008 and 2010 US elections. It goes like this: Democrats have given gays some things, but not everything, therefore, punish them and vote for Republicans, who have given gays nothing, and want to take everything away. My late Mother used to call that "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

    Makes good sense, huh? It's from the script that tries to weaken gay support for Democrats, which Republicans want to break. That's why some of these guys are here, and post an unending stream of extreme right-wing articles critical of Dems & Obama, many of these pieces total fabrications and always distortions of the truth. Do they ever post much of anything else here, in a gay health & fitness site?

    Oh, and when called on it, what is their response here? Change the subject to personal attacks. Again, straight from the script. You see it being done nationally, and you're seeing it here.

    But at least Perry is on record as being officially hostile to gays, and we can see who endorses him here, with their own track record on these issues. From that you may draw your own conclusions.




    Oh Arty Farty, your pathetic delusions just keep falling deeper and deeper into some sort of freak show. Your generalized statements aren't personal attacks, they're attacks on anyone who doesn't think like you. So, please don't hide behind these and try to pretend you're all nicey nicey as you offend people who think differently. What part of ALL GAY MEN DON'T THINK ALIKE do you not comprehend? Where does it say that, as gay men, gay issues have to be at the forefront of our lives? If that works for you -- FINE -- but don't put your set of priorities onto everyone else and expect that we all should tow the same "Vote Democrat or you're a BAD GAY" line. You are the most judgmental ASS on this site. It is the height of arrogance on your part that you would suggest that gay men can't have the freedom to think for themselves. I don't see anyone here running around screeching the praises of Rick Perry...Michelle Bachman...Rick Santorum. Nobody has voted yet...not even in a primary...so get off your freaking high horse and STFU. Personally, I don't require that my President ride down Main Street USA Grand Marshaling the gay pride parade while waving a rainbow flag. Any candidates stance on gay issues can, and should be, weighed against a host of other issues that have absolutely NOTHING to do with GAY, and EVERYTHING to do with America as a whole. If you and others want to vote based on the gay stuff, it's your privilege, go for it, and I certainly don't criticize you for that. What I find truly insulting is that you won't give others who maybe don't have the same priorities in their lives the same respect. To suggest that ANYONE here is "anti-gay" and "operating from a script" simply because they may not be all Rah-Rah Democrat is YOU showing an extremely closed-mind. I can't do much about that, but I won't sit by quietly while you continue to insult many of us here who have different points of view and who also care very much about gay rights.
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    CuriousJockAZ said...Your generalized statements aren't personal attacks, they're attacks on anyone who doesn't think like you. So, please don't hide behind these and try to pretend you're all nicey nicey as you offend people who think differently. What part of ALL GAY MEN DON'T THINK ALIKE do you not comprehend? .....

    Obviously you're not going to change his mind, but I know from emails and other discussions, and I'm sure same situation with you, is that many guys here are most concerned about the economic policies of this Administration and the direction they are taking this country. No point in debating the economic issues here, but the point is many have grave reservations. I think many moderates would support the Democratic Party if they were not led by a group as they call themselves "progressive" and where the moderates, or Blue Dogs, had more influence. Now if you believe the country is being strangled by their policies, you have to choose. While I don't like the pandering to the far right, it is a political reality to get votes. I don't think such a constitutional amendment has a snowball's chance in hell of passing anyway.

    BTW - the same characters will say everything I wrote, though an opinion, is total horse shit. Will show their openness for civil discussion. NOT
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    Lets try and be reasonable here. We all have concerns and ideas. We are all unique and want the country to move forward as best as possible.
    I still believe views can be expressed here without name calling and lack of respect for each side. I love a good political debate, but all the accusations and name calling really turns me off.
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    Aug 27, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidLets try and be reasonable here. We all have concerns and ideas. We are all unique and want the country to move forward as best as possible.
    I still believe views can be expressed here without name calling and lack of respect for each side. I love a good political debate, but all the accusations and name calling really turns me off.




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    Aug 27, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    This latest action of Perry's is just a sign of what would follow if we end up with one of these TBagger run candidates in the presidency. Don't think for a minute that the likes of Perry would stop the TBagger tide from going in whatever religiously backed direction once in office either, whatever directioin this Bagger bunch of Christian Talaban might push for is what he'd support as long as it brings him more votes.

    How can you republican gays support this pack of nuts running under the Bagger Banner ? You know good and well these candidates will go along to get along with the Baggers for their votes.

    Did Romney sign this thing the Perry just did ?

    Ron Paul didn't, did he ?
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    HndsmKansan saidLets try and be reasonable here. We all have concerns and ideas. We are all unique and want the country to move forward as best as possible.
    I still believe views can be expressed here without name calling and lack of respect for each side. I love a good political debate, but all the accusations and name calling really turns me off.

    I agree, but let's make sure we are covering the bases here. I would include in admonition to be respectful those who claim that RJ members who disagree with them as "not self-respecting gay men" and also consistently proclaim their motives to be nefarious. I know we have discussed giving a pass or being gentle to some because of their other challenges, but continually injecting such disrespectful messages will strain such considerations.
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    Aug 27, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    SB: too much to quote, but the irony is extreme. "Listen, I continually advocate civility and mutual respect. Can't you stupid, idiotic, self-loathing scum understand that simple fact?"
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    Aug 27, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    "guys here are most concerned about the economic policies of this Administration and the direction they are taking this country."

    This puzzles me. It do not understand the assumption that a government can do only one thing at a time, or that any of these things stand in isolation from other factors.

    Neither party is going to ignore the basic routines of governance.
    Economic policies abound on both sides from which something palatable can be found. But if the menu also comes with a healthy dollop of shit that you MUST eat, no thank you. I refuse to order off that menu.

    Right now, only the GOP has that particular dollop of shit to eat.

    But some people get off on scat.

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidSB: too much to quote, but the irony is extreme. "Listen, I continually advocate civility and mutual respect. Can't you stupid, idiotic, self-loathing scum understand that simple fact?"



    Yeah. Another one on my list of "maybe he really does have some kind of mental problems."



    Prime example of mental problem in action:


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1771988/

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    Aug 27, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    realifedad saidHow can you republican gays support this pack of nuts running under the Bagger Banner ? You know good and well these candidates will go along to get along with the Baggers for their votes.

    A good question. And their answer is to present us with a false choice: have a healthy economy OR have gay civil rights. Make the US more healthy in other respects OR retain our civil rights.

    I want to have all those things, not merely gay rights alone. This either-or dilemma is one of their own making, not a genuine choice we face, to trick us into giving up our gay objectives. And to supporting candidates like Perry who have made removing civil rights from gays a government objective. Not LIMITING civil rights, but taking them away.

    And even the single choice they promote for us is false: economic prosperity under Republicans. We just went through economic collapse under Republicans during the Bush years. Only through the notoriously short memories of US voters, and the relentless drum beat from the Right and its media outlets that all our economic problems are solely the fault of Obama and the Democrats, can they hope to make us want a return to failed Republican policies.

    So we're told to abandon gay civil rights because we're being selfish, in favor of economic prosperity alone. But the truth is that under Republicans we middle-class gays will have neither. So that, contrary to their usual distortions and straw-man arguments here, I am not a 1-issue voter. But gay issues are the ones I discuss the most here on a gay site. I'm sorry if that conflicts with their agenda.
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidSB: too much to quote, but the irony is extreme. "Listen, I continually advocate civility and mutual respect. Can't you stupid, idiotic, self-loathing scum understand that simple fact?"



    Yeah. Another one on my list of "maybe he really does have some kind of mental problems."



    Prime example of mental problem in action:


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1771988/

    No shit! Talk about total hypocrisy!
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    HndsmKansan saidLets try and be reasonable here. We all have concerns and ideas. We are all unique and want the country to move forward as best as possible.
    I still believe views can be expressed here without name calling and lack of respect for each side. I love a good political debate, but all the accusations and name calling really turns me off.

    I agree, but let's make sure we are covering the bases here. I would include in admonition to be respectful those who claim that RJ members who disagree with them as "not self-respecting gay men" and also consistently proclaim their motives to be nefarious. I know we have discussed giving a pass or being gentle to some because of their other challenges, but continually injecting such disrespectful messages will strain such considerations.
    I'm sorry but "self-respecting gay men" can demand BOTH economic reforms AND civil rights/equality SIMULTANEOUSLY! One does NOT negate the other. Its the 'self-loathing gay men' who give up their 'worth as a human' for a political ideology. (or money)
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    How many gay/Republican/conservative guys see the attainment of equal rights as an issue of collective politcal action?
    Or is the route more one of individual choice and freedom,growing affluence,etc.?
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    TropicalMark saidI'm sorry but "self-respecting gay men" can demand BOTH economic reforms AND civil rights/equality SIMULTANEOUSLY! One does NOT negate the other. Its the 'self-loathing gay men' who give up their 'worth as a human' for a political ideology. (or money)

    +1

    See my most recent previous post above yours.