George Will: Liberals’ Wisconsin Waterloo

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    Aug 27, 2011 5:09 AM GMT
    Entirely on point.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-wisconsin-waterloo/2011/08/23/gIQArm5GcJ_story.html

    During the recall tumult, unions barely mentioned either their supposed grievance about collective bargaining, or their real fears, which concern money, particularly political money. Teachers unions can no longer bargain to require school districts to purchase teachers’ health insurance from the union’s preferred provider, which is especially expensive. This is saving millions of dollars and reducing teacher layoffs. Also, unions must hold annual recertification votes.

    And teachers unions may no longer automatically deduct dues from members’ paychecks. After Colorado in 2001 required public employees unions to have annual votes reauthorizing collection of dues, membership in the Colorado Association of Public Employees declined 70 percent. In 2005, Indiana stopped collecting dues from unionized public employees; in 2011, there are 90 percent fewer dues-paying members. In Utah, the end of automatic dues deductions for political activities in 2001 caused teachers’ payments to fall 90 percent. After a similar law passed in 1992 in Washington state, the percentage of teachers making such contributions declined from 82 to 11.

    Democrats furiously oppose Walker because public employees unions are transmission belts, conveying money to the Democratic Party. Last year, $11.2 million in union dues was withheld from paychecks of Wisconsin’s executive branch employees and $2.6 million from paychecks at the university across the lake. Having spent improvidently on the recall elections, the Wisconsin Education Association Council, the teachers union, is firing 40 percent of its staff.

    Progressives want to recall Walker next year. Republicans hope they try.
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    Aug 27, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
    Absolutely.
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    Aug 28, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
    "... Fueled by many millions of dollars from national unions and sympathizers, progressives proved, redundantly, the limited utility of money when backing a bankrupt agenda: Only two Republicans were recalled — one was in a heavily Democratic district, the other is a married man playing house with a young girlfriend. Progressives also failed to defeat a Supreme Court justice."


    Mr Will conveniently mentions one side and omits the flip side, and he is not usually one who relies on half the story to make his point:
    Fueled by many MORE millions of dollars by the Koch brothers, the deeper pockets of the Koch's prevailed.
    That is not typical of George Will Jr who is usually better balanced. he still has a long way to go to match his father's reputation of highest integrity.

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    Aug 28, 2011 5:03 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian said "... Fueled by many millions of dollars from national unions and sympathizers, progressives proved, redundantly, the limited utility of money when backing a bankrupt agenda: Only two Republicans were recalled — one was in a heavily Democratic district, the other is a married man playing house with a young girlfriend. Progressives also failed to defeat a Supreme Court justice."


    Mr Will conveniently mentions one side and omits the flip side, and he is not usually one who relies on half the story to make his point:
    Fueled by many MORE millions of dollars by the Koch brothers, the deeper pockets of the Koch's prevailed.
    That is not typical of George Will Jr who is usually better balanced. he still has a long way to go to match his father's reputation of highest integrity.



    You'd be absolutely wrong on this point. The Democrats received substantially more donations and support (recognizing that Democrats have a natural organizational advantage with unions) than the Republicans and that was his point. e.g. http://www.wisdc.org/pr030810.php
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    Aug 28, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
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    Upper_Canadian said "... Fueled by many millions of dollars from national unions and sympathizers, progressives proved, redundantly, the limited utility of money when backing a bankrupt agenda: Only two Republicans were recalled — one was in a heavily Democratic district, the other is a married man playing house with a young girlfriend. Progressives also failed to defeat a Supreme Court justice."


    Mr Will conveniently mentions one side and omits the flip side, and he is not usually one who relies on half the story to make his point:
    Fueled by many MORE millions of dollars by the Koch brothers, the deeper pockets of the Koch's prevailed.
    That is not typical of George Will Jr who is usually better balanced. he still has a long way to go to match his father's reputation of highest integrity.



    You'd be absolutely wrong on this point. The Democrats received substantially more donations and support (recognizing that Democrats have a natural organizational advantage with unions) than the Republicans and that was his point. e.g. http://www.wisdc.org/pr030810.php



    Interesting and it might indeed support your assertion. There is a a lot I cannot determine from that chart.

    Is it basically not showing that the top contributor was a political fund that is not identifiably for or against by its name second highest was the Republican governors and third highest was liberal supporters - so doesn't that indicate it is half and half --- the big question mark is that first group -- who is that?

    Is the narrative from the left that the Koch's funnelled lots of money in through various shells? (which that chart neiother supports or refutes)



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    Aug 28, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    It is ironic to me, considering what I saw yesterday, that anyone other than union bosses -- and their liberal democratic party supporters - would support unions. What did I see?

    I drove past the new Kia, PowerTech, Mobis, and Johnson Controls plants that were running wide open on a Saturday. It seems these companies cannot build enough parts and vehicles, unlike GM that has only recently ramped the Silverado plants back up to two shifts runing 5 days.

    The unemployment rate for skilled labor in the area is under 2.0%.