Rick Perry Signs Pledge to Amend Constitution to Prohibit Gay Marriage.

  • squash4dave

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    Aug 27, 2011 6:27 AM GMT
    About a month ago, Gov. Perry said that gay marriage should be left to the individual states. Now, he has signed a pledge started by the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage, to oppose gay marriage, and send a constitutional amendment to Congress, that would enshrine discrimination against gays into the Constitution. This would be the first time that an amendment would take away rights from a specific group, if passed. An I am not talking about the original document, that denied rights to African-American. We all know about that injustice. But, amendment to the Constitution have always been to grant more rights to it's citizens, not take them away, with the exception of Prohibition, which was not directed at a specific group. Michele Bachmann has also signed this pledge, as have Rick Santorum and flip-flopper (no not the sexual kind) in-chief Mitt Romney.

    So, what else can we expect from these psycho Repulo-Fascists, if one of them ever ascends to the Presidency? I am afraid to guess.
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    Aug 27, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    Hopefully someone will take that pledge, round up everyone who signed it, and brutally kill them.
  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must also be ratified by three-fourths of states. Chances are that shit ain't happening. There's probably a snowballs chance in hell it even makes it past the drawing board.
  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 27, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    Perry has many changes planned to the Constitution... because as everyone knows, the Tea Party crackpots know better than America's founding fathers.
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
    kuroshiro saidRegardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must also be ratified by three-fourths of states. Chances are that shit ain't happening. There's probably a snowballs chance in hell it even makes it past the drawing board.


    True but it's disturbing that any of these people would want to attempt it.

    About 70 years ago, the Jews and others had a hard time believing they were being targeted in Germany -- a country that was also going through horrific economic times.
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    This kind of idiot is never going to get the majority vote as the republican candidate. Let him go on with his chatter all he wants. He's nailing his own coffin shut tight. Same with Bachmann. Let her dig her own grave with her own remarks every day.

    While we DO need someone a whole Hell of a lot better than the current president, and hopefully we'll get someone much better in 2012, I'm betting it is sure NOT going to be Perry or Bachmann.

    Bring somebody qualified and with some good experience in budgetary matters to the front.
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 27, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    I think it`s very unlikely to happen any time soon,but it does show the way the Republican party is going.
    If any one of the more extreme republicans did become President,then I see a very hard time ahead for gay people in the USA:an increasingly acrimonous and divisive political and cultural scene(ever more extreme and strange language,speeches,ideas)with probably small,incremental denials of rights(homophobic crimes downgraded,restrictions on occupation,etc.)with the more conservative states leading the way.A real worry would be if they controlled Congress as well.
    Fortunately,the founding fathers set things up to dilute the President`s power
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    If we could only convince Mike Bloomberg to run for President...
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:42 PM GMT
    CAJock753 saidThis kind of idiot is never going to get the majority vote as the republican candidate. Let him go on with his chatter all he wants. He's nailing his own coffin shut tight. Same with Bachmann. Let her dig her own grave with her own remarks every day.

    While we DO need someone a whole Hell of a lot better than the current president, and hopefully we'll get someone much better in 2012, I'm betting it is sure NOT going to be Perry or Bachmann.

    Bring somebody qualified and with some good experience in budgetary matters to the front.


    i have to agree with you on this Obama is not doing a good job, it seems he went on vacation to Marthas Vineyard while the Eastern seaboard is being battered by the Hurricane,and while our Economy is in a slump
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
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    CAJock753 saidThis kind of idiot is never going to get the majority vote as the republican candidate. Let him go on with his chatter all he wants. He's nailing his own coffin shut tight. Same with Bachmann. Let her dig her own grave with her own remarks every day.

    While we DO need someone a whole Hell of a lot better than the current president, and hopefully we'll get someone much better in 2012, I'm betting it is sure NOT going to be Perry or Bachmann.

    Bring somebody qualified and with some good experience in budgetary matters to the front.


    i have to agree with you on this Obama is not doing a good job, it seems he went on vacation to Marthas Vineyard while the Eastern seaboard is being battered by the Hurricane,and while our Economy is in a slump
    Uh.. where did you hear that? The President is in Washington DC and has been since yesterday.
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    Aug 27, 2011 5:55 PM GMT
    Southbeach,no political 'firewalls' are perfect.In a democratic society they will always be a compromise between effectiveness of government and the protection of rights from governmental abuse.The founding fathers laid out the methods of restraining government action in your country,but they work best when all elements of the Constitution play their roles,especially the Supreme Court.They expected Presidents to mess with the Constitution!They knew what policians were like.What they didn`t want was armed revolution as the only way of changing goverment,leading to all sorts of political instability.
    And the people were given a great role as well.The ultimate test of Obama`s 'un-/'constitutionality' will be next year.
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    CAJock753 saidThis kind of idiot is never going to get the majority vote as the republican candidate. Let him go on with his chatter all he wants. He's nailing his own coffin shut tight. Same with Bachmann. Let her dig her own grave with her own remarks every day.

    While we DO need someone a whole Hell of a lot better than the current president, and hopefully we'll get someone much better in 2012, I'm betting it is sure NOT going to be Perry or Bachmann.

    Bring somebody qualified and with some good experience in budgetary matters to the front.




    Romney signed the exact same pledge weeks ago.

    Every one of the major Repub presidential candidates have signed it.

    There's also a plank in the official Repub party platfrom that specifically supports confining marriage to a man and a woman.

    The Repub party supports an anti-gay agenda.

    And when it comes to "budgetary matters":

    No Republican president has balanced a budget since Eisenhower did in 1957.
    Democrat Bill Clinton balanced a budget repeatedly for his last years in office at the end of the 1990's.

    Republican presidents have added 3 TRILLION dollars more to the National Debt than the Democratic presidents have.

    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt, adding 2.5 trillion.
    Bush Sr. added 1.5 trillion.
    Bush Jr. added 5 trillion, doubling the National Debt.

    The idea that the Repubs have been better on "budgetary matters" is mythical bullshit.
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
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    CAJock753 saidThis kind of idiot is never going to get the majority vote as the republican candidate. Let him go on with his chatter all he wants. He's nailing his own coffin shut tight. Same with Bachmann. Let her dig her own grave with her own remarks every day.

    While we DO need someone a whole Hell of a lot better than the current president, and hopefully we'll get someone much better in 2012, I'm betting it is sure NOT going to be Perry or Bachmann.

    Bring somebody qualified and with some good experience in budgetary matters to the front.


    i have to agree with you on this Obama is not doing a good job, it seems he went on vacation to Marthas Vineyard while the Eastern seaboard is being battered by the Hurricane,and while our Economy is in a slump




    FYI - President Obama is at the FEMA command center overseeing the Hurricane Irene response.
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/president_obama_briefed_about.html

    It's really unbelievable that we've heard so much right-wing bullshit about President Obama taking a 10 DAY vacation in August.
    Most Americans take a week to ten days off for a summer vacation.

    Bush Jr. took off the ENTIRE MONTH of August every year he was president, and we never heard any bitching from the right-wingers about that.
    How many Americans are self indulgent enough - or privileged enough - to be able to take off an entire MONTH for a vacation?

    Bush even took off the entire month of August in 2001 after he was warned that al Qaeda was "determined to attack" on U.S. soil.
    Days after he returned from his month long vacation - we were hit on 9-11.

    Just imagine what the right-wing hate machine would have had to say about a DEMOCRATIC president who took off the entire month of August right before America was hit with a massive terrorist attack that the president was warned was coming.

    They'd have called for impeachment at the very least.
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 27, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    Southbeach,one of many disturbing features of your political/cultural scene,including the more extreme elements of the Republican party....and some of the their supporters out there among the public!
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
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    RickRick91 said
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt, adding 2.5 trillion.
    Bush Sr. added 1.5 trillion.
    Bush Jr. added 5 trillion, doubling the National Debt....

    ... in 8 years, as follows:

    FY 2002: $400 billion
    FY 2003: $500 billion
    FY 2004: $600 billion
    FY 2005: $650 billion
    FY 2006: $600 billion
    FY 2007: $500 billion
    ---Democrats Take Control of Congress
    FY 2008: $1 trillion
    FY 2009: $1.9 trillion


    Obama (with help from Pelosi and Reid):

    FY 2010: $1.6 trillion
    FY 2011: $1.6 trillion




    FYI - the Congress does not have the power to pass any piece of legislation without the approval and signature of the president.

    The record shows that Democrats did nothing to cause the Bush deficits to grow.

    The Bush deficits grew after 2007 (as your post shows) because the BUSH RECESSION hit in 2007.

    The high deficit totals under Obama have also been a result of the Bush recession.

    The info you posted actually shows how devasating the economic impact of the Bush rescession has been.

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    Aug 27, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
    Do you guys ever get tired of the blame game? Isn't it enough to know that the economy is fucked and needs to be fixed, and yet neither side seems to know how to fix it?
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    Katy Perrie would make a better president than that ass hole.
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix saidDo you guys ever get tired of the blame game? Isn't it enough to know that the economy is fucked and needs to be fixed, and yet neither side seems to know how to fix it?



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    Aug 27, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 said
    southbeach1500 said
    RickRick91 said
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt, adding 2.5 trillion.
    Bush Sr. added 1.5 trillion.
    Bush Jr. added 5 trillion, doubling the National Debt....

    ... in 8 years, as follows:

    FY 2002: $400 billion
    FY 2003: $500 billion
    FY 2004: $600 billion
    FY 2005: $650 billion
    FY 2006: $600 billion
    FY 2007: $500 billion
    ---Democrats Take Control of Congress
    FY 2008: $1 trillion
    FY 2009: $1.9 trillion


    Obama (with help from Pelosi and Reid):

    FY 2010: $1.6 trillion
    FY 2011: $1.6 trillion




    FYI - the Congress does not have the power to pass any piece of legislation without the approval and signature of the president.

    The record shows that Democrats did nothing to cause the Bush deficits to grow.

    The Bush deficits grew after 2007 (as your post shows) because the BUSH RECESSION hit in 2007.

    The high deficit totals under Obama have also been a result of the Bush recession.

    The info you posted actually shows how devasating the economic impact of the Bush rescession has been.




    RickRick,

    Congress controls spending. As we've seen over the past 2 years, they've increased spending tremendously with the encouragement of the President.

    The information I posted actually shows how Democrats run up the national debt as soon as they gain control of Congress.





    That's bullshit.

    Most of our current budgetary expenses are determined by policies that were set in pace by BUSH.
    Like:
    * the cost of the spending for the Bush wars
    * the cost of the Bush prescription drug bill (which is 100% UNPAID FOR and the full of cost of which gets added to the National Debt year after year)
    * and the heavy burden of the cost of the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

    Those are all Repub spending priorities put in place by BUSH and the Repub-controlled Congress of the last decade.

    But - even if your bogus claim was true - that would meant that in the election next year - the blame for the high deficits will fall upon the REPUBS.
    After all, if spending is determined by the Congress as you claim - then the Repub-controlled House will be to blame for all our government spending.
    Right?
    After all - as we all know - spending bills are to originate in the HOUSE.
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    BeingThePhoenix saidDo you guys ever get tired of the blame game? Isn't it enough to know that the economy is fucked and needs to be fixed, and yet neither side seems to know how to fix it?


    The solution has been out there for a while. It's called a much bigger stimulus and long term cuts/more revenue.

    The anti-solution is being implemented as we speak. It's called short-term austerity.
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    Holy cow, US government sounds like Africa, and I dont mean South Africa
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    mayBbignow2 saidThis is about signing gay amendments, lets keep on topic
    Impossible for southbitch.. she has a one track mind!:

    "Obama is the antichrist, must be killed"
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    BeingThePhoenix saidDo you guys ever get tired of the blame game? Isn't it enough to know that the economy is fucked and needs to be fixed, and yet neither side seems to know how to fix it?



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    Nor willing to do it.

    I'm not happy with the current admin but get really pissed when the opposing side claims it's all the Dems' fault and the Repubs' way of running things is the answer.
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    Aug 27, 2011 6:59 PM GMT
    Yes, both parties have imperfect records on handling the economy.
    But it IS important to discuss the economic records of the two parties.
    Why?

    The record shows that the "deficits don't matter" Repubs have borrowed and spent more than the Dems, added more to the National Debt, and that every recession for the last 30+ years has hit when there's been a Repub president in the White House.

    So, the facts show that the Repubs are NOT better on economic issues.

    Therefore - gay Americans should ALL vote for Democratic candidates not Republican candidates - because the Repub party advocates a specifically anti-gay agenda, and the Democratic party does not.

    THAT is the point.
    THAT is what this thread is about.

    The Repubs want to pass a Constiutional amendment banning gay marriage - permanently making gay Americans second class citizens.
    The Democrats oppose doing that.

    Some Repub apologists claim that gays should vote Repub anyway - because supposedly the Repubs are better on economic issues.
    The facts of the historical record prove that that's bullshit.

    So - NO REASON EXISTS TO MAKE VOTING REPUB AN ACCEPTABLE CHOICE FOR GAY AMERICANS.

    Not if you care about having the same equal rights as all Americans.


  • squash4dave

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    Aug 27, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    kuroshiro saidRegardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must also be ratified by three-fourths of states. Chances are that shit ain't happening. There's probably a snowballs chance in hell it even makes it past the drawing board.

    True, but it shows what the gay community would have to deal with, if one of these assholes ever became President.