Well, there goes the Marine Gig I wanted...

  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 29, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
    I just got off the phone with my OSO a few minutes ago and he "regretfully" delivered some bad news to me: I'm not "competitive enough" for the program and it would be pointless for them to "string me along" for a year trying to get me in and what not.

    I guess it's an easy way out of everything now, but I can't say that I'm not disappointed by this recent bit of news. I guess I'll have to research some other avenues for my future... Guess I'll give the ole PT certification a try next fall...

    *sigh*
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    Aug 29, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    So now they're finding new and creative ways to keep gays out of the military?
    Surprise surprise...
  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 29, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
    Haha, I doubt it has anything to do with that. I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve, so it's not exactly evident where or with whom my interests lie.
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    Aug 29, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
    I've just never heard of being turned down for not being competitive enough.
    It sounds like a copout for something else.
  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 29, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    Well, they factor in grades (both GPA, SAT/ACT and ASVAB), your reference letters, your essay, etc. Granted my OSO just returned from a conference in NYC so he said they're being more stringent in terms of applicants. My GPA wasn't stellar, but if you disregard the classes I took that weren't toward my major (filler fuckups), I was golden.

    Oh well :/
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    Aug 29, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    Well at least you're hot. That'll come in handy for your PT cert. Hot trainers generally get more clients. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 29, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    kuroshiro saidI just got off the phone with my OSO a few minutes ago and he "regretfully" delivered some bad news to me: I'm not "competitive enough" for the program and it would be pointless for them to "string me along" for a year trying to get me in and what not.

    I guess it's an easy way out of everything now, but I can't say that I'm not disappointed by this recent bit of news. I guess I'll have to research some other avenues for my future... Guess I'll give the ole PT certification a try next fall...

    *sigh*

    I used to teach Army Senior ROTC, and was a product of OCS (Officer Candidate School) as an enlisted soldier myself. You can't normally attend college ROTC because you already have a bachelor's degree. Plus your age is getting close to the statutory limit.

    Direct commissions can be granted for certain professional fields when the services have a need for them, for holders of a JD, MD, and certain other medical specialities, and the different services have other special exceptions based on their unique needs.

    I therefore don't see an Officer's commission in your future, whether in the Marines or other services. And I think enlisting would be a waste of your talent.

    I can't guess why your OSO said you weren't competitive enough. Did you take a battery of tests with them? How was your college GPA? What is your degree? These are all factors they take into consideration. In the ROTC screening process we called it the "whole person concept." We might overlook weak school grades, if the applicant was active in something on the order of 10 community activities. That spelled "leadership potential" to us.

    You could have a perfect 4.0 GPA, but if it's in English, they may be looking for the hard sciences at the moment. I dunno, the criteria is always a moving target, based on changing service needs.

    So don't take it too personally. It's like when you go to a gay club, and you're the most handsome guy there. But another guy turns you down, because all he wants is a middle-aged, hairy bear daddy, the last thing you are. So it is with the US military - their needs can be very narrowly defined at any given time.

    So that you haven't personally failed, you just don't match what they want today. Now make your alternate plans.
  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 29, 2011 6:18 PM GMT
    The military is beginning to drawdown again as the wars wane. That's part of the competitiveness of what you're applying for.

    In the army, it was just recently announced that the Infantry branch, amongst others, was going to draw down and the Retention Control Program is in full effect. The RCP means that if you don't make rank by a certain timeframe (for your current rank), you get booted. You should see some of the Soldiers stressing out being denied the chance for the promotion board because of their lackluster job performance. They are now realizing that you can't go along in the military achieving the bare minimum.
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    Aug 29, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    Don't let it get you down. The USMC is shrinking after growing the top line a couple years ago. They've got to figure out how to reduce their overall numbers by 20,000-30,000 Marines. That's pretty significant.

    If you feel like you've been mistreated or not fairly screened, call you local Congressman or Senator. They can ask questions officially and make sure you get a fair shake.

    If it just didn't workout, I agree with the guy above who said it's a lot like going to a bar....some guys find you attractive, some don't. You can't do much about it except move forward and find one who does.

    Good luck though and keep working to do something significant that makes you happy.
  • Webster666

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    Aug 29, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    Within a year, you'll look back at this and see why it happened.
    There's something else waiting for you, where you're supposed to be.
  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 29, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    True... I guess it just stings a little having the flame for something doused so quickly. Maybe it's a good sign in the end, I don't know.
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 29, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    Sorry to hear about your news regarding the Marines.
    I had similar years ago as I wanted to join the Royal Navy(I come from a family with a military/police tradition), but was turned down after a long gruelling selection process of several stages(I reached the last one!)
    I succesfully joined the civilan Police Service and had a career that way.It was very rewarding,professionally and personally, and helped me get over the disappointment of the Royal Navy`s rejection.And I had no worries about my sexuality being a disciplinary offence,either.I look back now and think the Police was maybe the better option as it was more complicated and challenging(if less dramatic) than the Royal Navy.
    I`m sure it hurts now as it did with me,but you will find something else.Have you considered other uniformed/public services as a career?
    Don`t ever think it was a personal rejection of you.Like me,you simply didn`t match their criteria.Your trying alone says a lot about you.
    Best wishes!
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    Aug 29, 2011 10:50 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidThe military is beginning to drawdown again as the wars wane. That's part of the competitiveness of what you're applying for.

    In the army, it was just recently announced that the Infantry branch, amongst others, was going to draw down and the Retention Control Program is in full effect. The RCP means that if you don't make rank by a certain timeframe (for your current rank), you get booted. You should see some of the Soldiers stressing out being denied the chance for the promotion board because of their lackluster job performance. They are now realizing that you can't go along in the military achieving the bare minimum.

    Yeah, I went through the post-Vietnam drawdowns. Everybody was getting the ax. Fortunately I had "walk on water" OERs, which only you and a few others here would understand.

    The US military welcomes you when they need you, and turns their back on you when they don't. Job security is not synonymous with the military.
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    Aug 29, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    I had a friend who was reject from enlistment in the army for "mental illness." He had no diagnosed, nor history of mental disease nor could he get them to elaborate.
    As said before, no ones recruiting and their looking for excuses to turn around people who try anyway.
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    Aug 29, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    kuroshiro saidI just got off the phone with my OSO a few minutes ago and he "regretfully" delivered some bad news to me: I'm not "competitive enough" for the program and it would be pointless for them to "string me along" for a year trying to get me in and what not.

    I guess it's an easy way out of everything now, but I can't say that I'm not disappointed by this recent bit of news. I guess I'll have to research some other avenues for my future... Guess I'll give the ole PT certification a try next fall...

    *sigh*
    I'll give ya some personal coaching! icon_wink.gif
    Got that Marine thing down to a science!
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    Aug 29, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    I think it's because of your age..and the pt certification is one of the most important things so if youre not up to par they cant let you in
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    Aug 29, 2011 11:10 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Yeah, I went through the post-Vietnam drawdowns. Everybody was getting the ax. Fortunately I had "walk on water" OERs, which only you and a few others here would understand.

    Know them well.. needed em twice! The Marine Corps is so much smaller than the rest of the services, the impacts are by far more drastic/dramatic.
  • kuroshiro

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    Aug 29, 2011 11:49 PM GMT
    Supermann saidI think it's because of your age..and the pt certification is one of the most important things so if youre not up to par they cant let you in


    Age very well may play a part, but I'll never know. Fitness-wise I was perfectly capable. But, I think in the long run my debt with the university and not being able to obtain a copy of my transcript was my Achilles heel.

    But, I meant certification for ME to become a Personal Trainer.