The Great Political Migration: Millions of people are, for good reason, abandoning big-government blue states for low-tax red ones

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    Aug 29, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/27/census-data-shows-people-are-moving-from-blue-to-red-states.html

    Conservatives yearn for a big, clarifying electoral victory in November 2012, but they’re already winning decisively whenever Americans vote with their feet—or their moving vans.

    New Census numbers show citizens fleeing by the millions from liberal states and flocking in comparable numbers to bastions of right-wing sentiment. Call it the Great Political Migration. [...]

    Fifty years ago, the United States saw a mass migration from east to west. Today we’re witnessing a comparable migration from left to right.

    This significant shift in population not only presents progressives with significant problems in terms of practical politics, but also confronts them with profound ideological challenges.

    If liberal approaches work so well, why are so many people choosing to pack their bags and desert some of the most progressive, pro-labor, big-government states in the union?
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    Aug 29, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"
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    Aug 29, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
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    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"
    It also has to do with the VAST numbers of boomers (like me!) who prefer to live in a MUCH warmer climate, hence the move to Florida (its warm here and NO snow!)
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    Aug 29, 2011 7:39 PM GMT
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    Simurgh said
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"
    It also has to do with the VAST numbers of boomers (like me!) who prefer to live in a MUCH warmer climate, hence the move to Florida (its warm here and NO snow!)


    I love how fast this article got owned, some people are really really stupid.
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    Aug 29, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    This has been studied in depth by Richard Vedder, Professor of Economics at Ohio University. The particular study looked at population migration from non-right-to-work states to right-to-work states. Regarding the issue of climate influencing the study, the following excerpt:

    Some might note also that many of the right-to-work states are in the Sun Belt, and, other things equal, many Americans prefer sunny, warm climates to cold, damp ones (and the nonpecuniary benefits bestowed by good weather are not taxable by governments). Accordingly, additional statistical modeling is needed to control for these other potential determinants of migration behavior.

    Consequently, I did some multiple regression analysis to explain variations in the interstate migration of native-born Americans from 2000 to 2008. I tried several different models, incorporating different sets of explanatory variables (tax, climate, occupational composition of the labor force, unemployment, population density, and economic growth variables). Without exception, in all the estimations, a statistically significant positive relationship (usually at the 1 percent level) was observed between the presence of right-to-work laws and net migration.


    Full study:
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj30n1/cj30n1-9.pdf
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    Aug 30, 2011 11:42 AM GMT
    Simurgh said
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    So you don't think that jobs and economic growth has anything to do with it? It's not like Texas has better weather to live in than California. Being able to cash in on home equity is one thing, but if you can't find better income, what's the point? Besides, real estate prices in the mid to long run are reflective of local productivity - though in some places, more reflective of restrictive zoning.
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    Aug 30, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
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    Simurgh said
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    So you don't think that jobs and economic growth has anything to do with it? It's not like Texas has better weather to live in than California. Being able to cash in on home equity is one thing, but if you can't find better income, what's the point? Besides, real estate prices in the mid to long run are reflective of local productivity - though in some places, more reflective of restrictive zoning.


    Real estate prices, much like everything else, is reflective of supply and demand. Even if your claim that real estate prices are a reflection of productiviy is true all it would prove is that California and the bay area is one of the most productive areas in the country, and that would shut your "taxes ruin the economy" crap up to high hell. Furthermore you clearly haven't been to California if you think the weather is the same as Texas. The rocky mountains prevent our climate from moving over to Texas and we are right on the coast dude.

    I've been to Texas, it sucks, it's a wasteland desert, that's it.

    Seriously do you think before you post? I would try it.
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    Aug 30, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    Simurgh said

    I've been to Texas, it sucks, it's a wasteland desert, that's it.

    Seriously do you think before you post? I would try it.


    Houston:
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    Austin:
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    San Antonio:
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    Leaky:
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    Guadalupe River:
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    Aug 30, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
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    Simurgh said
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    So you don't think that jobs and economic growth has anything to do with it? It's not like Texas has better weather to live in than California. Being able to cash in on home equity is one thing, but if you can't find better income, what's the point? Besides, real estate prices in the mid to long run are reflective of local productivity - though in some places, more reflective of restrictive zoning.


    So Californians and NYers are coming to Texas to steal all our minimum wage jobs without benefits that Perry created. Got it!! icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 30, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
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    Bigolbear said
    Simurgh said

    I've been to Texas, it sucks, it's a wasteland desert, that's it.

    Seriously do you think before you post? I would try it.



    Hill Country:
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    Texas is indeed a beautiful state


    Then SB you should move to Vidor, Jasper or Winnsboro. You'd fit in nicely there with your conservative politics and being a yankee and all. Plus they love gays to death and would prove your theory that not all Republicans are racist.
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    Aug 30, 2011 8:08 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Simurgh said
    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    So you don't think that jobs and economic growth has anything to do with it? It's not like Texas has better weather to live in than California. Being able to cash in on home equity is one thing, but if you can't find better income, what's the point? Besides, real estate prices in the mid to long run are reflective of local productivity - though in some places, more reflective of restrictive zoning.


    Real estate prices, much like everything else, is reflective of supply and demand. Even if your claim that real estate prices are a reflection of productiviy is true all it would prove is that California and the bay area is one of the most productive areas in the country, and that would shut your "taxes ruin the economy" crap up to high hell. Furthermore you clearly haven't been to California if you think the weather is the same as Texas. The rocky mountains prevent our climate from moving over to Texas and we are right on the coast dude.

    I've been to Texas, it sucks, it's a wasteland desert, that's it.

    Seriously do you think before you post? I would try it.


    Perhaps unsprisingly, I often wonder whether you bother to think at all but on that point, given that you think that Texas is a desert wasteland, I have to wonder, why do you suppose there is a significant net outflow of people who are moving out? You see no relationship between job growth elsewhere and unemployment in California? It was your argument after all that people are cashing out of their home equity to move elsewhere despite what you yourself suggest is a more miserable environment elsewhere.

    You're right though that the Bay area is one of the most productive areas in the US - and real estate prices are reflective of this - but there are also those who point to the declining productivity. And it's all relative as others pick up in productivity. Are you that ignorant of the history of silicon valley and its historical advantages that have been eroding? Nevertheless thanks for making my point ;).
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    Aug 30, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
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    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    In major cities we call it "Gentrification" And the red states should be happy, maybe now they won't take in more tax dollars than they pay out!

    Though to be totally honest, I bet it's just hipsters moving out there to be ironic
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    Aug 30, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
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    jprichva saidGeez, the fantasy lives you two have.

    See, here's the thing. People are moving south and west from 'liberal' states, and what happens? Old reliably red Virginia and North Carolina are now purple, tending towards blue over time; Colorado has become mainly blue, and eventually even Texas will lose its red character thanks to demographic trends.

    But you'll still have places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Utah. Enjoy them.


    yes these people are stupid. People are leaving these liberal states like New York and California not for political reasons, but because they can sell their house, buy new property in these backwater states no one wants to live in, and make an extra 800K to boot.

    It has nothing to do with politics. I have yet to hear someone say "I love California, but MAN that 8% income tax is just making me want to move!"


    I have.