I just feel the work isnt paying off.. Need a kick. Who knows about the gear?

  • Artesin

    Posts: 482

    Aug 30, 2011 9:13 AM GMT
    basically I've been working out at the gym for 5 years, since I was 16. just turned 21 and still not really at the point where I want to be. Feeling like I need a kick start and something that I can keep up the motivation. Already pretty motivated at 5 days a week, and consistently upping the weight, switching the routines and form isnt an issue. Just want all my hard work to show.

    Currently weighing in at 165 with 8% bodyfat at 6 foot. Decent build, not spectacular. So Im looking for something that can support the growth of lean muscle without encouraging fat stores. I would be satisfied with another 20/25 lbs. have always had an issue w/ holding onto mass even with a 3k calorie/day diet and very little cardio. So needing something that can help retain.

    So I've read books upon books trying to get the information i need on going about it the natural way, but thus far it's failed. CUrrently working on layne nortons PHAT training, but in the end I think my genetic code will obstruct where I want to be unless I get some assistance.

    Now what can I take? What course is out there that can stand alone without stacking while working steadily rather than putting a bunch of weight on in weeks? Also what should I be taking when I'm not on the cycle? I'm looking for some growth that will stay around if I keep hitting the gym, meaning it wont deflate like a balloon when I stop taking the product.

    I'm not looking to participate in comps, I just want to reach my aesthetic goals for self satisfaction, so nothing too hardcore is required.

    Just doing a search and pulling up a page i found buysteroids.com/ .. are any of these pages legit? And if not where can I get the gear that I require?

    On the flip side for supplementation Im currently usin Jack3d, inner armors nitro peak and beachbody's recovery, just because I like the dextrose base. Was also hoping on an opinion of using cellucor's c4 instead of jack3d?

    I know the side affects, I know the risks associated with roids. but I feel that if theres one that doesnt end up mimicing estrogen and closely corresponds with ones body then there should be a reduced risk. Inevitably it has to happen as Ive exhausted all other possibilities.
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    Aug 30, 2011 10:48 AM GMT
    No, those pages are not legit. About the worst thing you can do is Google "where do I buy roids" or something. There is a lot of scamming going on. The best thing to do is to make friends with that really buff guy working at the gym or at GNC... he knows where to get products, you can bet on that.

    Is there some reason you don't want to be stacking? Most products will work stand alone, but the purpose of stacking is to maximize their effects and minimize their downsides. For instance (and this obviously isn't your problem, but just for instance) guys who want to get cut up will use Trenbolone stacked with, say, Testosterone because Tren strips weight and can harm even muscles, but the Test will counteract the catabolic (muscle-eating) effect.

    I like Jack3d, but like most things the body gets used to it... I cycle between Jack3d, NO-xplode, and Buzzerk every couple months. Additionally, depending on the kind of product you end of finding/using, pre-workouts like Jack3d may lose their effectiveness for you and/or you may not need them.
  • buckled

    Posts: 165

    Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM GMT
    Artesin said have always had an issue w/ holding onto mass even with a 3k calorie/day diet and very little cardio. So needing something that can help retain.

    That's your problem right there. Right now I'm consuming about 4.5k - 5k calories (ex bodybuilder at work put me on this ridiculous diet) and I've already gained 2lbs in 4 days of lean mass... of course I'm going to gain a little pudge but I'll cut later. You're probably very similar to me in the aspect that you don't really get hungry enough to eat a lot... I could easily manage eating 1500-2k but I'd drop back down to 145lbs if that was the case.

    Bottom line... EAT! =)
  • captproton

    Posts: 316

    Aug 30, 2011 11:41 AM GMT
    Larkin PLR is on the right track. Anything else could be a problem. legal or otherwise. And keep in mind doing that stuff IS illegal. It's also expensive, and any muscle-building effects last only as long as you keep ingesting. And then you have to come off it, which can lead to depression in some men. Sure, the pro's look great, but it's a full-time job for them and they have all the support they need, including discreet suppliers.

    You might also try finding a sympathetic sports medicine physician. Almost any physician can legally prescribe hormone treatments. But in my experience, many don't condone using the amounts of testosterone you would need to gain serious mass. That's why you might ask around the gym for the name of a doctor who understands your dilemma. Legal is always the best course of action. And if you live in a big city, you could probably find a gay physician who caters to the gay community and who can be of some help.
  • Celticmusl

    Posts: 4330

    Aug 30, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
    There are tons of pro-hormones still out there. Have you tried superdrol(clones) and halodrol(clones)?

    Also, if you were taking the natural supps for mass I'm assuming you've used Pink Magic, Prime, Mass FX, etc?

  • slimnmuscly

    Posts: 541

    Aug 30, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    Could you elaborate on what "exhausting all other possibilities" means? I'm not necessarily against doing roids if it's a truly informed decision, but you'll get a lot less benefit out of them if you're not doing everything else right.

    You say form isn't an issue; have you worked out lately with a trainer who can confirm that? Better yet, have you consulted a trainer whose expertise includes bodybuilding nutrition to make sure your diet is 100 percent on point?

    While I agree with your assessment of your build -- decent but not spectacular -- I'm having a hard time seeing the body in your photos as that of a 21-year-old man (i.e., testosterone factory) who's getting enough sleep and whose workouts and diet truly support his bodybuilding goals.

    If you're going to take on the risks associated with roids, you might as well wait to do it until your body is truly primed to reap the maximum rewards. You do need a kick, but there are plenty of other kicks to try before steroids.
  • Hunkymonkey

    Posts: 215

    Sep 01, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
    The longer I am at this - and I've been at it a while - with and without steroids, the more I am convinced that:
    1) That eating and nutrition is the biggest key to gains. It's all about the calories. Learn what your basal metabolic rate and caloric need (both are likely to be very high at your age) are for maintaining your current weight and add on from that to take in more than you expend. 3000 calories a day are probably way below what you need to grow. 4000 are probably closer.
    2) Smart, focused training is the next biggest key and goes hand-in-hand with eating.
    3) Steroids are a distant #3. At 21, you are so far from your genetic potential without steriods. Your own hormones are peaking right now, so you don't "need" extra, but if you want them, you seriously should research them beforehand as much as possible to understand what they will and will not do, the potential risks (and they definitely exist), how to use them instead of abuse them (by that I mean avoid the "more is better" trap which usually gives you more side effects instead of more results), how to deal with side effects, proper combinations for your goals, and understand the procedures for maintaining your gains after a cycle.