Feds will NOT allow t-mobile & ATT merger

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    Aug 31, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
    read this today at news.google, i am thinking this is a good thing.

    -how strung out is t-mobile, does their continued existence depend on a merger?

    -i have an iPone account with ATT and for those few voice calls i get its difficult to carry on a conversation but i have grandfathered in an unlimited internet account $30.00 which i use. I play internet radio a lot on my work commute. i can keep the grandfather thhingy but must never change my internet option, i cant even get tethering.

    i plan to buy the new iPhone 5 when it comes out. t-mo is selling the iPhone too. should i switch to t-mobile? do they have a better internet situation.
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    Aug 31, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    Eh, i was thinking of going to Sprint or Verizon anyways.
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    Aug 31, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    pellaz saidread this today at news.google, i am thinking this is a good thing.

    -how strung out is t-mobile, does their continued existence depend on a merger?

    -i have an iPone account with ATT and for those few voice calls i get its difficult to carry on a conversation but i have grandfathered in an unlimited internet account $30.00 which i use. I play internet radio a lot on my work commute. i can keep the grandfather thhingy but must never change my internet option, i cant even get tethering.

    i plan to buy the new iPhone 5 when it comes out. t-mo is selling the iPhone too. should i switch to t-mobile? do they have a better internet situation.


    Verizon ended their unlimited Internet tier not too long after releasing their iPhone service.

    T-Mobile would presumably have moved toward supporting iPhone 5 if the merger is allowed.

    Sprint does not support the iPhone and nothing to indicate that they will is really known.

    Sprint (is the only carrier now) offering an unlimited tier at present, but I'm sure that within a few months of rolling out iPhone service, it will go away as well (unless it extends the unlimited tier a little longer to siphon customers away from AT&T and Verizon).
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    Aug 31, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    Aren't some unlimited plans still technically unlimited it's just that they start to throttle down the rate of data after a certain amount has been reached? So you still don't get charged more for it you just don't get it as quickly
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    Aug 31, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    GigoloAssassin said Eh, i was thinking of going to Sprint or Verizon anyways.



    I was thinking of going with Jitterbug with extra large display.
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    Aug 31, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    The title is not quite right. What will happen is AT&T will file motions to have the Fed prove its case. Basically, they need to see what the Fed wants in concessions (a/k/a extortion) from AT&T. If the impact is less than the $3B AT&T would owe T-mobile, they'll consider it.

    Not approving the deal would leave some questionable outcomes. My 2 cents:
    AT&T: longer time to ramp up capacity -or- lose customers to Verizon or others
    T-mobile: They have NO real plans to get to LTE, and Deutche Telecom has said they don't know if they can invest any further in them.
    Sprint: They are able to offer such good deals now because they need the incentives. They chose a losing solution (WiMax, with hemorrhaging partner ClearWire). They had a chance to eventually merge with Verizon, but precedence would put that on the back burner.
    Verizon: Well, they're the clear winner. But they still haven't come close yet to the data capacity of AT&T's network. If they get lots more subscribers from the other carriers, they won't appear any better due to the new capacity issues.
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    Aug 31, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
    Anto saidAren't some unlimited plans still technically unlimited it's just that they start to throttle down the rate of data after a certain amount has been reached? So you still don't get charged more for it you just don't get it as quickly


    Nah those are cable companies, and the practice of throttling has been ruled illegal. As has packet disruption.
  • UVaRob9

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    Aug 31, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    I'm pleasantly surprised at the DoJ for taking this stance. This is my favorite part because it's sooo damning:

    “AT&T had not demonstrated that the proposed transaction promised any efficiencies that would be sufficient to outweigh the transaction’s substantial adverse impact on competition and consumers,” the government said in the statement. “AT&T could obtain substantially the same network enhancements that it claims will come from the transaction if it simply invested in its own network without eliminating a close competitor.”

    In other words, putting money into your existing infrastructure and making it true 4G (i.e. LTE) and not this HSPA+ bullshit would do more for you than eliminating competition by purchasing an independent, low-priced rival. I actually kinda miss having T-Mobile (pricing was great and they supported unlocked phones even if they weren't from them) and considered going back after my AT&T contract was up.
  • rioriz

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    Sep 01, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    Totally Agree with the decision!
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:51 AM GMT
    One thing to point out. The thread title is not accurate. The justice department has filed a suit opposing the merger. It will be decided by the courts, but the federal suit is expected to be strongly influential.
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:52 AM GMT
    That merger would be the ultimate customer service hell.
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    Sep 01, 2011 12:07 PM GMT
    Thank you, Feds.
    I don't need AT&T f'ing up my T-Mobile.
  • rnch

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    Sep 01, 2011 12:38 PM GMT
    slowly, gradually, AT&T is trying to return to the "Ma Bell" monoploy days of before the justice department busted them wide open.


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    Sep 01, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    Was really pleased to read the title, but apparently it ain't over.
    The Dept of Justice is suing to stop the merger, but the DOJ has to win in court to block it.

    Quote from The Examiner:

    "AT&T said it would fight and ask for an expedited court hearing 'to the enormous benefits of this merger can be fully reviewed.' The company said the government 'has the burden of proving alleged anti-competitive effects, and we intend to vigorously contest this matter in court'."

    AT&T: corporate douche
  • Anto

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    Sep 01, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Anto saidAren't some unlimited plans still technically unlimited it's just that they start to throttle down the rate of data after a certain amount has been reached? So you still don't get charged more for it you just don't get it as quickly


    Nah those are cable companies, and the practice of throttling has been ruled illegal. As has packet disruption.


    Yeah see this?
    http://mobile-broadband.t-mobile.com/plans

    In the plans they throttle down once cap is reached.
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    Sep 01, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    I'm glad that they aren't merging. I have T-Mobile now and I really can't stand the prices on ATT's plans. Them giving people a limited amount of data is also annoying. The problem with T-Mobile is that their phones aren't as cheap at ATT phones, but people will be saving money in the long run if they use T-Mobile because their plans are cheaper.