Big "12" loses another... can it survive?

  • calibro

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    Aug 31, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    So after Nebraska left and Colorado almost spurred a Pac-16, the thing that saved the former Big 12 was Texas A&M sticking with UT. But now the aggies are most likely to end up in the SEC.

    So what do you think is gonna be of the Big 9? It still has UT and OK as powerhouses, not to mention Tech, Baylor and OK St on the right year are just as good as anyone else (plus come basketball season you have Kansas). But is that enough? I can't imagine UT is happy about this in terms of rivalry (but hey, they can wipe away all their tears with the dollars they negotiated with those broadcasting contracts). 9 schools is definitely viable (the Pac-8 was pretty ferocious back in the day), but losing 25 percent of your teams in 2 years is a hemorrhage. Is the Big 12 on its last legs? Discuss.
  • coolarmydude

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    Aug 31, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    It's their own demise. When you create a TV contract that caters to one school over the conference at large, you create all these defections.
  • NashRugger

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    Aug 31, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidIt's their own demise. When you create a TV contract that caters to one school over the conference at large, you create all these defections.

    Well said, Texas is to blame for the demise now.

    I wish OU, OSU, and Missouri would bail and go to the SEC and leave Texas to find their own way.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Aug 31, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    NashBoomer said
    coolarmydude saidIt's their own demise. When you create a TV contract that caters to one school over the conference at large, you create all these defections.

    Well said, Texas is to blame for the demise now.

    I wish OU, OSU, and Missouri would bail and go to the SEC and leave Texas to find their own way.


    Didn't Mizzou cut a deal to go to the Big 10? OU to the SEC? Can you imagine the Florida/OU games? WOW!

    And put UCF in either the Big East or the ACC!!!
  • calibro

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    Aug 31, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    but do you think they'll try to replace the teams? i can see them adding teams theoretically, but i think they'd have to lower their standards get someone to jump conference. that's not even considering the sec might want an even number and steal another team from the big 12 to make it 7-7 split. if that's the case, i can easily see them trying to steal one of the Oklahoma schools.
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    Aug 31, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    Yeah, that's pretty much the death knell right there. I think the Big 8 / Big 12 is now gone. I don't remember who, but there were quite a few predictions when Nebraska left that it was only a matter of time before we had 4-5 super conferences Pac/Big/SEC/ACC/Big East.
  • NashRugger

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    Aug 31, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    NashBoomer said
    coolarmydude saidIt's their own demise. When you create a TV contract that caters to one school over the conference at large, you create all these defections.

    Well said, Texas is to blame for the demise now.

    I wish OU, OSU, and Missouri would bail and go to the SEC and leave Texas to find their own way.


    Didn't Mizzou cut a deal to go to the Big 10? OU to the SEC? Can you imagine the Florida/OU games? WOW!

    And put UCF in either the Big East or the ACC!!!

    Mizzou should drag the Kansas schools with them if they go Big 10.

    OU would likely not leave OSU to hang out, they'd want to likely take them wherever they wind up.

    Texas can just suck it up and go independent, since it seems like that is what they want. Then they can see how fun it is to try and go for a nat'l championship.
  • calibro

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    Aug 31, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    JDean saidYeah, that's pretty much the death knell right there. I think the Big 8 / Big 12 is now gone. I don't remember who, but there were quite a few predictions when Nebraska left that it was only a matter of time before we had 4-5 super conferences Pac/Big/SEC/ACC/Big East.


    yeah, but it will be interesting to see where the teams spread if it does collapse... originally the pac-10 was going to turn pac-16 by taking a&m in it (alongside OK, UT, and OK St)... but I suppose they could pilfer Tech to replace a&m. basically they could split the division 8-8 with the original pac-8 in one league (pac-10 sans Arizona schools) and the big-12 schools (same with Utah and Arizona teams). not sure sec would gobble up the other guys, but I could see the big-10 looking at Kansas and Mizzou (maybe K St and Iowa St. too). If the conferences had to eat each other up, I think the Big East and ACC would stay out of it, leaving PAC, SEC, and Big to absorb the 10 teams... I think the break down would have to play something like

    PAC- Texas, OK, OK St, and Baylor or Tech
    SEC- A&M and Mizzou
    Big- Iowa St, Kansas St, Kansas, and Baylor or Tech

    It seems the Pac-12 won't touch a deal with Texas, which means OK (and OK st) would piggy back, and they'd have to take Bay or Tech (reluctantly) to fill out the conference, passing on Kansas so that the others would let them have this deal.
    SEC only want A&M, but they need an even number add. They'd want Kansas, but the Big 10 would use it as a bargaining chip to absorb the other teams (plus, Kansas makes more sense as a Big 10 school). They'd settle for Mizzou, which fits in anyways.
    Big would want Kansas first and foremost, then take Iowa St to offset Iowa. Kansas St would follow and they'd take the last time to keep the conference even.

    That is unless Iowa St or Kansas St wants to make a power move and jump to something like the WAC in order to be guaranteed top of the division... but I can't see that happening.
  • cageym

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    Aug 31, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
    I really think that if (when) the BigTen expands any more it will be to the east. They need to pick up a natural rival for Penn State (Pitt, Rutgers) and want the lucrative TV markets of the NE. Kansas isn't likely to ever attract serious attention from BIG, seems to me.
  • waccamatt

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    Aug 31, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    I think Rutgers belongs in the ACC if they move. I don't expect OU and OSU to join the SEC because they really don't add many TV households for 2 teams as Oklahoma would be one of the least populated SEC states and I've heard OU won't go without OSU.
  • calibro

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    Aug 31, 2011 11:54 PM GMT
    cageym saidI really think that if (when) the BigTen expands any more it will be to the east. They need to pick up a natural rival for Penn State (Pitt, Rutgers) and want the lucrative TV markets of the NE. Kansas isn't likely to ever attract serious attention from BIG, seems to me.


    I think Kansas would balance out Nebraska... not to mention come basketball season it would give the big ten some added oomph.
  • tautomer

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    Sep 01, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    I could give two shits.

    College is about education, not about sports. I will die a happy man if I see all college sports programs defunded and split off into seprate entities independent of major universities.
  • Aquanerd

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    Sep 01, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    cageym saidI really think that if (when) the BigTen expands any more it will be to the east. They need to pick up a natural rival for Penn State (Pitt, Rutgers) and want the lucrative TV markets of the NE. Kansas isn't likely to ever attract serious attention from BIG, seems to me.


    The one thing you have to understand about the B1G is that All of the schools are members of the Association of American Universities (Nebraska was a member right up until they joined the B1G.)

    Missouri, Kansas, Pittsburgh, and Rutgers are all member schools. Since many believe that it Nebraska wasn't in the AAU they might not have been invited to the B1G, these for have the best shot of making it to the B1G. However, I don't know if Rutgers really brings any more eyes to the TV than the other three even though it is in the NYC Metro, is their audience really that big?

    That being said, I think that when the inevitable 16 Team Mega Conferences materialize, I think that there will be 4 biggies: SEC, B1G, ACC/Big East, and Pac10. Elite of the Big 12 will give invites to these 4. The others will be absorbed by The Second Tier Megas: WAC/MWC/MAC/CUSA.

    To go further. Imagine a 16 Team Championship with the Top 4 conferneces getting 2 Automatic Bids, the next four Conferences getting 1 automatic, and then 4 At-Large Bids.