"The president will NOT compete with the NFL season opener."--actually, the GOP will.

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    Sep 01, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/obama-jobs-speech-congress-joint-session_n_944322.html

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    Sep 01, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
    No, not enough said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/obama-steps-on-gop-debate-with-jobs-speech/

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/31/boehner-requests-that-obama-delay-jobs-speech/

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boehner-requests-obama-move-speech-thursday_592054.html

    Now with both viewpoints, not just the slanted one from the left, typical from the OP, enough said.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidNo, not enough said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/obama-steps-on-gop-debate-with-jobs-speech/

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/31/boehner-requests-that-obama-delay-jobs-speech/

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boehner-requests-obama-move-speech-thursday_592054.html

    Now with both viewpoints, not just the slanted one from the left, typical from the OP, enough said.


    Did you bother to read the Huffington Post article? It mentions everything said in the articles you linked to.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:49 AM GMT
    Taking a line from the movie, "The American President"..

    I wish Obama would remind himself every day, "I AM the President".

    He shouldn't have to compete with Republican Debate or the NFL. He should talk to the American people when he wants to, period. If there's a conflict - tough! (Oh, heaven forbid, it's not at the same time as "Real Housewives") icon_lol.gif

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    socalfitness saidNo, not enough said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/obama-steps-on-gop-debate-with-jobs-speech/

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/31/boehner-requests-that-obama-delay-jobs-speech/

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boehner-requests-obama-move-speech-thursday_592054.html

    Now with both viewpoints, not just the slanted one from the left, typical from the OP, enough said.


    Did you bother to read the Huffington Post article? It mentions everything said in the articles you linked to.

    Yes I did, and no it didn't. You apparently did not read all.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:51 AM GMT
    Nevermind, I thought the following was linked to. This is what I read on HuffingtonPost, which mentions everything.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/obama-joint-session-jobs_n_943471.html
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    Frank_CA saidTaking a line from the movie, "The American President"..

    I wish Obama would remind himself every day, "I AM the President".

    He shouldn't have to compete with Republican Debate or the NFL. He should talk to the American people when he wants to, period. If there's a conflict - tough! (Oh, heaven forbid, it's not at the same time as "Real Housewives") icon_lol.gif



    But he has to get it cleared with Congress.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
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    Frank_CA saidTaking a line from the movie, "The American President"..

    I wish Obama would remind himself every day, "I AM the President".

    He shouldn't have to compete with Republican Debate or the NFL. He should talk to the American people when he wants to, period. If there's a conflict - tough! (Oh, heaven forbid, it's not at the same time as "Real Housewives") icon_lol.gif



    But he has to get it cleared with Congress.



    Not to have a conversation with the American People. To get anything accomplished from his speech, he needs Congress - but not to talk to us.

    Bowing to Boehner, once again, makes him look weak. And the President should never have to bow to the Speaker of the House. Bush wouldn't do it; Reagan wouldn't do it; hell, even Clinton wouldn't do it. (And this is not a partisan issue; it's Leadership).

    The worst thing about Our President is that he doesn't look like he's in charge. And if he doesn't change things, that behavior will cost him the election.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    This is from the article I linked to:

    Permission to speak in a joint session is given by resolution of the House and Senate, and arrangements are made through the leadership offices of each chamber.

    So he does need their cooperation. Boehner didn't say he wouldn't allow it (no President has been refused), but he says it needs to be postponed by 1 day. Considering how uncooperative house republicans are, I think he might as well given into a one day postponement.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:33 AM GMT
    Obama deliberately chose that date to stick it to the Republicans, who had a debate planned for that date for a long time. It wasn't important to interrupt his vacation at Maaaartha's Vineyard or to make it on the first day past the holiday. It backfired.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidObama deliberately chose that date to stick it to the Republicans, who had a debate planned for that date for a long time. It wasn't important to interrupt his vacation at Maaaartha's Vineyard or to make it on the first day past the holiday. It backfired.


    Much ado about nothing, socalfitness. Do you really think it would have made a big difference if the speech was given during the Republican primary debate? If the viewers of the debate are like you and can't stand to hear him speak, how is really taking away from the Republicans. And since we live in the information age, if one watches one event live, you can simply view the other event soon after on the net.
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:10 AM GMT
    Frank_CA saidTaking a line from the movie, "The American President"..

    I wish Obama would remind himself every day, "I AM the President".

    He shouldn't have to compete with Republican Debate or the NFL. He should talk to the American people when he wants to, period. If there's a conflict - tough! (Oh, heaven forbid, it's not at the same time as "Real Housewives") icon_lol.gif

    Yeah, if he would only stop starting his positions halfway and lose half his bargaining ground.
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    OPDemocrats, however, will still view it as a microcosm of the larger disputes that have played out between the two parties, with Republican recalcitrance ultimately winning them concessions from the administration. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), at one point, pledged to oppose a unanimous consent agreement to invite the president to speak to Congress if the date remained Wednesday -- an objection that would have been historically unprecedented.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-kleinObama’s speech will achieve nothing. It will go nowhere because it has nowhere to go. A speech can rally the base, and maybe even temporarily change the topic in the news. But it can’t change the fundamental fact of politics right now, which is that the two parties disagree on the most profound question in Washington. It’s not: How do we fix the economy? It is: Who should win the next election? So long as Republicans and Democrats disagree on that, there will be no significant cooperation on substantive issues. Boehner simply will not cut off his party’s candidates at the knees, especially its presidential contenders, by handing Obama a major economic accomplishment. Because he controls the House of Representatives, that means Obama -- and, by extension, the U.S. -- is not going to get a major economic accomplishment.
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:12 AM GMT
    Has any right wing source even mentioned the fact that

    "Both Houses will be back in session after their August recess on Wednesday, September 7th, so that was the date that was requested."

    FNC does it to their credit, but none of the blogs do.

    OPAs it stands now, the Republican presidential field will have no rival broadcasting during its debate on Wednesday night. Obama, for his part, may avoid competing with the NFL season opener, which is scheduled for 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 8. A White House official says "We won't conflict with football," meaning an early time frame for the speech.


    So much for a GOP rejoiner after that--good luck competing with the NFL. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
    Frank_CA saidTaking a line from the movie, "The American President"..

    I wish Obama would remind himself every day, "I AM the President".



    Agreed. However, as "The President", one would hope that such speeches, and the timing of them, would be more appropriately thought out for maximum effectiveness. Instead, "The President" ended up shooting himself in the foot by announcing a speech that would be delivered at an inappropriate time (in terms of maximum effectiveness) and then later had to be rescheduled at a more appropriate time. This simply didn't have to happen, but it did because "The President", and his staff" were not thinking ahead of The Bigger Picture.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    i suspect that eric cantor (boehner's master) would be an arrogant prick to any sitting President.

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    Sep 01, 2011 4:22 PM GMT
    creature said

    Much ado about nothing, socalfitness. Do you really think it would have made a big difference if the speech was given during the Republican primary debate?



    Actually, YES, it would have made a difference. For one thing, delivering the speech to the joint congress when some of their leading members are not present and involved in a televised debate was just plain bad planning and ill-advised -- hence, why it had to be rescheduled in the first place. Secondly, one would think that a smart President, especially one who wants to be re-elected, would not want to deliver a speech at a time when Republicans would not be paying attention to something else. It was just bad planning. What would have happened is that the media would have spent as much time talking about the ill-timed delivery of the speech as they would have spent on the actual substance of the speech. Who ever had the idea of planning the speech during the same time as the Republican debate should be fired.
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    creature said

    Much ado about nothing, socalfitness. Do you really think it would have made a big difference if the speech was given during the Republican primary debate?



    Actually, YES, it would have made a difference. For one thing, delivering the speech to the joint congress when some of their leading members are not present and involved in a televised debate was just plain bad planning and ill-advised -- hence, why it had to be rescheduled in the first place. Secondly, one would think that a smart President, especially one who wants to be re-elected, would not want to deliver a speech at a time when Republicans would not be paying attention to something else. It was just bad planning. What would have happened is that the media would have spent as much time talking about the ill-timed delivery of the speech as they would have spent on the actual substance of the speech. Who ever had the idea of planning the speech during the same time as the Republican debate should be fired.


    That was done deliberately - and may even have been made by one of his most senior advisors if not the President himself. What would have been funny though if they were at the same time and it was the GOP that had the higher ratings.
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    Sep 01, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    creature said

    Much ado about nothing, socalfitness. Do you really think it would have made a big difference if the speech was given during the Republican primary debate?



    Actually, YES, it would have made a difference. For one thing, delivering the speech to the joint congress when some of their leading members are not present and involved in a televised debate was just plain bad planning and ill-advised -- hence, why it had to be rescheduled in the first place. Secondly, one would think that a smart President, especially one who wants to be re-elected, would not want to deliver a speech at a time when Republicans would not be paying attention to something else. It was just bad planning. What would have happened is that the media would have spent as much time talking about the ill-timed delivery of the speech as they would have spent on the actual substance of the speech. Who ever had the idea of planning the speech during the same time as the Republican debate should be fired.


    That was done deliberately - and may even have been made by one of his most senior advisors if not the President himself. What would have been funny though if they were at the same time and it was the GOP that had the higher ratings.

    It clearly was done deliberately. Before Boehner acted, the White House suggested to their followers NBC/MSNBC to reschedule the Republican debate. Also, I agree with CJAZ that whoever planned the speech at the same time should be fired. But guess who that was. Did Obama just say to his advisors, "Oh, just schedule the speech sometime. Find a good day whenever."? Hardly. As one commentator pointed out, he planned it, wanted to stick it to the Republicans, and then would say demonstrating chutzpah at the same time, "let's rise up above petty party politics."