World birth rates falling? Good or bad?

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    Sep 01, 2011 9:16 AM GMT
    I've just read this amazing article by National Geographic about an example from Brazil of what has become a global phenomenon - in at least half of the world's nations, birth rates have halved since the start of the second half of last century.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/09/girl-power/gorney-text

    The world population has also tripled since the 1950s, up and close to 7 billion individuals today. Birth rates are also unevenly distributed - Japan and Singapore struggle to increase their population numbers above break-even, while sub-Saharan African women are still estimated to give birth to an average of four children in their lifetime. I cannot help but wonder what this would mean for us who will still be around in the coming decades . . . and on a more personal note, how this will impact each of us here on RJ as well icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 9:53 AM GMT
    It's good.

    The world's population NEEDS to be reduced. It's no secret that the govt has been working on ways to achieve that for the past few years.

    I just wish they could learn that nature has its own way of controlling population - it's called homosexuality.

    If they'd stop shutting the doors on our rights and promoting hatred toward us, we would naturally help keep the world's population under control. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:44 AM GMT
    Ya there's far to many of us on the planet. we could vote some off icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
    Not sure it's a good thing since the countries with high birthrates are typically very poor or destitute. So many people being born in a society where they barely stand a chance icon_sad.gif

    In some parts of the world there is a minor but growing fear that low birth rates will reduce countries native populations to the point where immigrant groups gain more political power. Some people in Europe seem to be very paranoid about this happening with immigrants who follow Islam.
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    Sep 01, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    While I do believe that the world is currently over populated with humans, you also need to think about the economical impacts of have few people.

    Biggest issue being less demand. Lower demand means less sales, means lower profits, means our current economic measures will not allow us to grow our own personal wealth in the ways that we have seen in the past 100 years. It is an interesting debate that has both positives and negatives no matter which way the birth rate goes.

    ATC84Not sure it's a good thing since the countries with high birthrates are typically very poor or destitute. So many people being born in a society where they barely stand a chance


    I believe this is a problem of globalization. Countries used to have to fend for themselves and make do with their resources and provide for their people. More people used to equal more production and jobs, at a slower growth rate. Now with globalization, there is access to cheap or free food allowing population growth in poor third world countries making them even poorer with over population, as sad as that sounds.
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
    Are they trying to blame it on gays yet?
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:14 PM GMT
    Good. I hate everyone and the world can't end fast enough.
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:17 PM GMT
    paulflexes said

    I just wish they could learn that nature has its own way of controlling population - it's called homosexuality.

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    Word.
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:17 PM GMT
    Anduru saidGood. I hate everyone and the world can't end fast enough.


    lmfao
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    The world populace need to be reduced. I don't understand couples these days who have 3-4 children. I last read that the human population will reach 7 billion in a few years. I can only see those numbers inflating unless the government steps in and enforces a set number of births per woman.

    I see no issue at all with such enforcement. Humans are animals and the rampant breeding needs to be controlled. There is no positive effect to outlandish human population.

    Bring on the predator that preys on humans! more sociopaths? icon_twisted.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:36 PM GMT
    Advaya saidAre they trying to blame it on gays yet?


    How could they? I would like to imagine many heterosexuals examine THEMSELVES first for the world's falling birth rate, considering that gay couples aren't the ones reproducing naturally for the human race in the first place
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    Anduru saidGood. I hate everyone and the world can't end fast enough.


    Awwww, I hate you too icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    A lot of countries with high birth rates tend to have a number of problems, though. For one thing, infant mortality is probably quite high. Women in those places have a lot of children because it's not unusual for a few of their children to die before they reach the age of 1. Additionally, I imagine the poor quality of life results in a much lower life expectancy compared to other countries. A lot of them are lucky to make it to 40 or 50 years of age.
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    Sep 01, 2011 2:58 PM GMT
    There are so many factors influencing the birth rate, and therefore population, that's it's difficult to single out any one as being dominant. Among those that have reduced the birth rate are:

    - Modern contraception. Most of the world has access to it, despite some religions forbidding it, and examples like some US Red States instituting barriers to information and access to contraceptives, in favor of much less effective abstinence.

    - A rise in infertility. Long-term studies are showing a steady drop in sperm counts, especially in industrialized countries. Pollution is one suspect, and even something like clothing styles for men, and our modern lifestyle. Tight briefs are known to reduce sperm counts, plus activities like bicycling, or just sitting at a desk or a computer all day. Even in 1986, when I wanted to become a father, doctors told me to switch from tighty-whities to boxers for a while -- it appeared to work.

    - Less need to produce large families, due to reduced mortality rates, and industrialization lessening the need for raw manpower to support the family unit.

    - Economic concerns. Related to the point above, children were once a resource to the family, a "labor force" where more children meant more wealth. Today children are mostly a drain on family resources, and thought is given to how many can be supported without degrading the quality of life for all the other family members.

    - Women entering the workforce. When a woman remained at home she could be "barefoot & pregnant" all the time. Now a woman must plan her pregnancies around her career, which naturally limits how often she can afford to bear children and take time to raise them.

    These are but a few. Contrasted against reasons why population continues to increase:

    - Lengthening life span, due to better nutrition, less heavy manual labor, modern medicine, and other factors.

    - Lowering infant mortality rates. Despite the US world ranking recently slipping to 40, among the lowest of all industrialized nations, even the US still continues to improve over previous years. Just not as much as other countries, who are outpacing the US.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThere are so many factors influencing the birth rate, and therefore population, that's it's difficult to single out any one as being dominant. Among those that have reduced the birth rate are:

    - Modern contraception. Most of the world has access to it, despite some religions forbidding it, and examples like some US Red States instituting barriers to information and access to contraceptives, in favor of much less effective abstinence.

    - A rise in infertility. Long-term studies are showing a steady drop in sperm counts, especially in industrialized countries. Pollution is one suspect, and even something like clothing styles for men, and our modern lifestyle. Tight briefs are known to reduce sperm counts, plus activities like bicycling, or just sitting at a desk or a computer all day. Even in 1986, when I wanted to become a father, doctors told me to switch from tighty-whities to boxers for a while -- it appeared to work.

    - Less need to produce large families, due to reduced mortality rates, and industrialization lessening the need for raw manpower to support the family unit.

    - Economic concerns. Related to the point above, children were once a resource to the family, a "labor force" where more children meant more wealth. Today children are mostly a drain on family resources, and thought is given to how many can be supported without degrading the quality of life for all the other family members.

    - Women entering the workforce. When a woman remained at home she could be "barefoot & pregnant" all the time. Now a woman must plan her pregnancies around her career, which naturally limits how often she can afford to bear children and take time to raise them.


    You've done your research well with this excellent list on why this demographic trend is just starting to appear. What I'm still a bit concerned about is the potential fallout of a lower number of births as compared to the rising number of the elderly. Japan for example (albeit an extreme example) has actually recorded a drop in total population numbers in the past five years, and a dramatic drop in the available workforce has placed dire predictions for the already shrinking Japanese economy, as well as questions on how to practically take care of an ever-increasing group of the elderly.

    I won't think of the human race to literally run out of babies anytime soon, but saying that we need a lower fertility rate is imo too soon to say without any negative consequences just yet. Any developed nation still needs to replenish its annual growth to expect continued economic stability for the forseeable future (not to say the older segment of the population cannot contribute to a functioning society).
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    Sep 01, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    ArtsyRunner said
    I won't think of the human race to literally run out of babies anytime soon, but saying that we need a lower fertility rate is imo too soon to say without any negative consequences just yet. Any developed nation still needs to replenish its annual growth to expect continued economic stability for the forseeable future (not to say the older segment of the population cannot contribute to a functioning society).

    Not only are population growth rates declining, but the world is getting older as they live older and have less progeny. For the first time in human history, people aged 65 outnumber children.

    Immigration of foreign national takes care of this. You have countries like Russia giving gifts to have more children or are increasing their immigration quota.

    Native US Caucasians are not producing enough children. This is not a concern in terms of labor because the Hispanic population is growing fast enough that it can produce more workers who can support the elderly and the nation.

    Because of a declining rate of native populations, cutting off immigration is a hazard to a developed country. Most Americans fail to realize this however.
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    Sep 02, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
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    Advaya saidAre they trying to blame it on gays yet?


    How could they? I would like to imagine many heterosexuals examine THEMSELVES first for the world's falling birth rate, considering that gay couples aren't the ones reproducing naturally for the human race in the first place


    Yeah, but gay med did get married and procreated like heterosexuals when it was, ahem, acceptable thing to do. With more men able to come out, they dont need to get married or fuck women.