10 Year Old Transgender

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    Sep 01, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/transgender-10-year-old-j_n_943654.html

    This is a really interesting story I read this morning. I figured I would post and create some dialogue here. I have to say as much as I commend the parents of this little girl, I also understand where her grandfather is coming from to an extent.
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    Sep 01, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    I dunno what to think to be honest. I think they were on Oprah.
  • smudgedude

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    Sep 01, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    10 years old? really? that's a little ridiculous.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    I have mixed emotions about it too, however I thought the telling moment was when the 10 year old boy came to his mother and said "I can't do this anymore -- I'm a girl". Had the parents not been so open-minded and willingly capable and accepting of what had to be some disturbing, albeit maybe not surprising, news to them, this could very well have ended tragically like so many other gay or transgendered children. This kid is extremely blessed to have such wonderful parents.
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    Sep 01, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
    smudgedude said10 years old? really? that's a little ridiculous.


    I don't think so. At 10 I knew and accepted that I was a boy and acted as such. At the moment, she's just cross dressing. Nothing that can't be reversed. If anything such a gender reassignment or taking hormones came into play at 10, I would think about it more.
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    Sep 01, 2011 5:11 PM GMT

    Wow. These parents seem to coping fantastically with something they probably never imagined dealing with in their wildest dreams. Whatever happens in this kid's future, she's lucky to have parents like these.icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have mixed emotions about it too, however I thought the telling moment was when the 10 year old boy came to his mother and said "I can't do this anymore -- I'm a girl". Had the parents not been so open-minded and willingly capable and accepting of what had to be some disturbing, albeit maybe not surprising, news to them, this could very well have ended tragically like so many other gay or transgendered children. This kid is extremely blessed to have such wonderful parents.


    I agree and felt the same way. When I saw the title I thought, you must be kidding but then watching the show really got me thinking. I have never fully understood gender confusion. I had three older sisters myself and they pushed all kinds of girly things on me but I still preferred what boys liked. This is not an easy job on the parents especially if they have to begin to think about an operation.
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    Sep 01, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    I have a friend here in Portland whose grandson is trans and has known and felt since he was 3-4 that he was a boy although he was born with female genitalia. The family has been supportive and here there is actually a pediatric trans clinic which helps manage the gender transition and issues of puberty. If we accept that we were born gay and that it isn't a choice what makes us think that something as fundamental as gender would be a choice? I am so proud and hopeful that these parents are reacting with such compassion and love. Maybe in another 10 years we won't be seeing so much suicide, depression, bullying and all the other crap associated with ignorance and fear.

    As for the concern regarding hormones and surgery I believe the standard for now is to block puberty chemically while the child matures and develops emotionally and intellectually. Surgery isn't an option until they are older but by blocking puberty it allows if they do choose as an adult do opt for surgery for their gender reassignment to be much more successful. If they choose not to have surgery or if as most people fear they decide one day "oops just kidding I really am the gender I was born" (which doesn't really happen but for arguements sake...) once you go off the hormone blockers puberty commences and there is little to no long term effect on the child. They would be able to develop fully into the gender they were born if they choose. Blocking the hormones just provides them with more options. I think we have all see how difficult it can be for trans people who transition late in life to be fully accepted as their transitioned gender (especially harder for guys transitioning to women).
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    Sep 01, 2011 5:55 PM GMT
    I wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.
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    Sep 01, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    Uncharted territory. It will be interesting to see how this family navigates Jackie's puberty.

    Kudos to the parents for loving their kid unconditionally.
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    Sep 01, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidI wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.


    sex isn't perceived it is assigned. Gender is a perception which can be changed to alter your sex requires surgery.

    and while I realize you said the above to push buttons for anyone reading who hasn't been exposed to this enough to know your errors...gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely separate things. Being gay isn't a stopping point on the way to being trans. Loving someone of the same sex doesn't make you want to be the opposite sex.
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    Sep 01, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    A) Those parents deserve an award for setting a nation-wide example about love and support.

    B) I think KIDS KNOW BETTER who they are than we do as 'adults.' They know what they feel, not what they are told to feel, or taught to accept. They are more unbiased and less influenced by culture because they don't give a shit yet... if they want to play with barbie dolls and wear pink, fuck e'rybody else.

    I have an immense amount of respect for Jakie and for her parents. Just goes to show you that unconditional love DOES still exist.
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    Sep 01, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
    I don't think it will be life lasting.
    When I was 10yo I was swinging from the jungle gym and playing with water guns.
    That didn't last a lifetime.
    Make a big deal out of it and it will develop into a whole lot of issues.
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    Sep 01, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
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    JakeBenson saidI wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.


    sex isn't perceived it is assigned. Gender is a perception which can be changed to alter your sex requires surgery.

    and while I realize you said the above to push buttons for anyone reading who hasn't been exposed to this enough to know your errors...gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely separate things. Being gay isn't a stopping point on the way to being trans. Loving someone of the same sex doesn't make you want to be the opposite sex.


    Yes I know the difference between sex and gender. That's why I said "perceived sex." The sex you want to be perceived as. I'm not talking about a guy who wants to dress up as and act like a girl. I'm refering to guys who genuinely want to become a woman and change their actual SEX to the best of technological capabilities. Turning your penis into a vagina isn't changing your gender, it is changing your PERCEIVED SEX because anyone who looks at you from the outside will see you have a vagina and perceive your actual sex, not your gender, as male. I'm assuming thats what this 10 year old is going to go through, especially considering it's easier to leap into the other sex before you go through puberty. The only reason why I'm adding "perceived" in front of sex is because you can't change your sex 100% even though you can change the outside so that anyone can perceive you as the other sex.

    Moreover there is no conclusive data showing that gender identity and sexual orientation are completely separate things. Once you show me blood flow, brain regions, and different neurotransmitters catering to different parts of the brain regarding sexual orientation and gender identity then I'll start listening to you.
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    Sep 01, 2011 7:45 PM GMT
    The parents seem great but I don't like the way the news portrayed it. They talk about Jackie in the present and as a fact. The news kept a tone of it still being wrong "Dreams quickly faded away" (talking about his gender confusion) and the title of the article "happier as a girl" implying its just a phase.

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    Sep 01, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    I don't know enough about transgender issues to know whether the parents are taking the correct course of action, but I applaud them for loving their child enough to stand by her. It's obvious they want to do the right thing.

    I can't imagine that a 10 year old would go to his parents and tell them that he wanted to live life as another gender if it were not a very serious issue to him.
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    Sep 01, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    Her parents are smart. She's obviously transgendered and most transgendered people will tell you that they felt like they were the opposite sex from a very young age.
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    Sep 01, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidI wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.

    Nope. Being trans and being gay are two completely different things. It's possible to be born as a man who likes girls and wanting to be a woman. I used to think that a trans person was a gay person who wanted to be a girl also, but after doing research on it I realized that they are two completely different things.
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    Sep 01, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
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    JakeBenson saidI wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.

    Nope. Being trans and being gay are two completely different things. It's possible to be born as a man who likes girls and wanting to be a woman. I used to think that a trans person was a gay person who wanted to be a girl also, but after doing research on it I realized that they are two completely different things.


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    Sep 01, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    I think in this case, for me, it's a little extreme. 10 is just too young to be even thinking about that. I mean at least wait until your mid teens to late teens to start deciding who you really are.

    I really don't know what to say or how to feel???? icon_question.gif
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    Sep 01, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
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    Moreover there is no conclusive data showing that gender identity and sexual orientation are completely separate things. Once you show me blood flow, brain regions, and different neurotransmitters catering to different parts of the brain regarding sexual orientation and gender identity then I'll start listening to you.[/quote]
    How do you explain male to female transsexuals who are lesbians and female to male transsexuals who are gay then?
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    JakeBenson saidI wonder how many of you homosexuals would be "transgender" if you had the knowledge, acceptance, and opportunity to start changing your perceived sex at a really early age.

    Nope. Being trans and being gay are two completely different things. It's possible to be born as a man who likes girls and wanting to be a woman. I used to think that a trans person was a gay person who wanted to be a girl also, but after doing research on it I realized that they are two completely different things.


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    QTF. You're so right. It still kinda amazes me how many people still do not understand that gender identity and sexuality are two completely different things.
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    Sep 01, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
    newkid901 saidI think in this case, for me, it's a little extreme. 10 is just too young to be even thinking about that. I mean at least wait until your mid teens to late teens to start deciding who you really are.

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    same here. I thought the parents were really supportive but what happens when she goes through puberty?
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    Sep 01, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
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    newkid901 saidI think in this case, for me, it's a little extreme. 10 is just too young to be even thinking about that. I mean at least wait until your mid teens to late teens to start deciding who you really are.

    I really don't know what to say or how to feel???? icon_question.gif


    same here. I thought the parents were really supportive but what happens when she goes through puberty?


    yeah that's what I was thinking too. the puberty stage is definitely going to be a major defining moment in his/her life. What if he/she decides to change back for some reason because of hitting puberty? but I guess we just have to find out later......
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    Sep 01, 2011 10:50 PM GMT

    Honestly I never had any reason to give any thought about gender identity and sexuality being two completely different things, but I understand what is being said and find it an interesting eye-opener in which I was unaware.