Sep 02, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
Le sigh
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said SoCal and SB, you are both completely leaving out that it takes DEMAND, ...
The topic of this thread is that zero jobs were created last month in a nation of over 300 million people.
What I've put forth (and socal reinforced) is that there won't be any meaningful pickup in the pace of job growth until the Obama administration is gone.
That's the point.
Menergy_1 saidNot to mention, there's been 0, zilch, squat, nada from the Congressional Republicans still about "jobs" -- or have I missed that? Hasn't it been almost a year by now?
Conservative/Republican comments are often "the government doesn't create jobs" - so then how to blame the President himself (whoever that might be) for no job creation? (Maybe the CCC idea will be timely again now with the recent natural disasters havoc and infrastructure/rebuilding needs so obvious.....)
Or "get government out of the way" -- and everything will be rosy (for the corporations, at least - but then they've outsourced all the jobs they can by now and still looking to shift more overseas, I'm sure).....but still nothing from the Republicans/conservatives in Congress on jobs, the economy, etc. Just heels dug in, refuse to compromise in significant ways, arms crossed, determined to get rid of Obama and everything will be hunky-dory.
Menergy_1 saidwell,where are the proposed bills from the R side to eliminate the "roadblocks" -- I only see coverage of the social restructuring efforts, nothing to do with the budget, defense, deficits, jobs -- except to reduce the social programs without providing some ways to actually get people employed. EPA standards have been blamed for a long time (and created by Nixon, too) - seems that is a tired excuse and also what a lot of US citizens want to keep around to provide environmental protections. The NLRB - I don't see the direct effect except it keeps some oversight on particular business/corporate practices/employee protections and rights.
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said Why is it that when I and others stress the problem of lack of demand behind loss of jobs and lack of business investment/hiring, we seem to be met with silence ?
Is it that its too simple and obvious an answer that ruins the talking point that its 'Obama's' fault ?
Regulations and all other problems aside, there will not be an improvement in business investment and hiring until the demand for goods and services increases. Its really quite simple and it is a fact of business/corporation existence, no demand for a product or service equals no investment or hiring to make such products or provide such services. Even if all regulations disappeared, where there is no demand, there will be no investment or increase in employment. So why is this fact being ignored here?
Because it is not relevant to the current situation.
Obama - and he has said it - is on a mission to "fundamentally transform America" - and he sure doesn't mean getting everybody to like eating turnips.
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said
Oh Come on SB !!! the topic is 0 Jobs, and your saying that demand for goods and services isn't relevant to the lack of Jobs ? You know better !!
It all routes back to Obama as being the problem.
All you need is patience and mark my words, once Obama is out of office, you'll see the economy pick up in a meaningful way shortly thereafter.
meninlove said Lack of consumers. Look at what's happening to bookstores. Video rental stores. In those cases it's because of going online instead, but clearly demonstrates what happens to a business when consumers disappear. Businesses don't hire people in order to create consumers. They hire because consumer demand for their product or service outstrips their workforce's ability to provide said product or service. This is really pretty simple.
southbeach1500 saidThe point is (for the hundredth time), that there will be no meaningful economic recovery prior to the November 2012 elections.I hate to be the bearer of bad info.. but the GOP is NOT the messiah. never has been never will be.
If Obama loses, then you'll see a turnaround in the economy.
If Obama wins, but the Republicans solidify their majority in the House and take control of the Senate, you will also see a turnaround in the economy (though not as much as if Obama loses).
If Obama wins, and Congress remains divided, we'll have another 2 years of growth at a snails pace or recession.
If Obama wins, and control of the Congress goes back to the Democrats, then we'll head into a recession.realifedad said
Me thinks meninlove, that the simplicity of lack of demand as the true answer to the problem of few jobs being created, just doesn't fit into SoCal's complicated and trumped up talking points theory of business being uncertain and pessimistic. So who believes that when a magic wand waves away uncertainty and pessimism that these businesses/corps. are going to go into 'unprecidented' territory and expand their businesses, and hire people to make things and provided services that there is no demand for. LOL !!! Talk about VOODOO !!!
I cannot understand Republicans straining so hard at making up these baseless theories to promote making Obama a one term president as the answer to the problems of unemployment. It will backfire !!
Lets go one step further and take a bet as to whether or not if a Republican becomes the next potus, that they will forward infrastructure projects and the like to get money in the hands of the spending masses to increase 'demand'. Wa-do-ya-bet ?
realifedad said... Me thinks meninlove, that the simplicity of lack of demand as the true answer to the problem of few jobs being created, just doesn't fit into SoCal's complicated and trumped up talking points theory of business being uncertain and pessimistic. ...
southbeach1500 saidThe point is (for the hundredth time), that there will be no meaningful economic recovery prior to the November 2012 elections.
If Obama loses, then you'll see a turnaround in the economy.
If Obama wins, but the Republicans solidify their majority in the House and take control of the Senate, you will also see a turnaround in the economy (though not as much as if Obama loses).
If Obama wins, and Congress remains divided, we'll have another 2 years of growth at a snails pace or recession.
If Obama wins, and control of the Congress goes back to the Democrats, then we'll head into a recession.realifedad said
Me thinks meninlove, that the simplicity of lack of demand as the true answer to the problem of few jobs being created, just doesn't fit into SoCal's complicated and trumped up talking points theory of business being uncertain and pessimistic. So who believes that when a magic wand waves away uncertainty and pessimism that these businesses/corps. are going to go into 'unprecidented' territory and expand their businesses, and hire people to make things and provided services that there is no demand for. LOL !!! Talk about VOODOO !!!
I cannot understand Republicans straining so hard at making up these baseless theories to promote making Obama a one term president as the answer to the problems of unemployment. It will backfire !!
Lets go one step further and take a bet as to whether or not if a Republican becomes the next potus, that they will forward infrastructure projects and the like to get money in the hands of the spending masses to increase 'demand'. Wa-do-ya-bet ?
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said
The Republicans will see to it that things will not improve, they have stated as much time and time again for the purpose of getting that black man out of their 'white'house.
OK, now I know that I'm getting through to some of you, because you're now playing the race card.
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said
The Republicans will see to it that things will not improve, they have stated as much time and time again for the purpose of getting that black man out of their 'white'house.
OK, now I know that I'm getting through to some of you, because you're now playing the race card.
southbeach1500 saidChristian73 said
LOL. I guarantee that you will be more dissatisfied if/when a Republicans gets back in the White House, because not only will things get worse economically (as they always do when Republicans are in charge) but you'll have lost your favorite scapegoat.
Really? Things seemed to be pretty good prior to the Democrats taking control of Congress in 2007.
But this topic is about ZERO jobs created last month. What happened to the first Obama jobs plan, wasn't that any good? Why does he need a "new" jobs plan?