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    Sep 03, 2011 9:07 AM GMT
    Please watch this clip entirely before judging.


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    Sep 03, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    Mark Twain said. " A lie well told, becomes immortal"

    The Nazi's believed that the more outrageous and evil a False Flag operation could be, would be the most successful, because no one would want to believe that a government would be capable of doing it, then their follow up Idea was to give the public a story, a lie to believe in rather than the truth. An example of this was Hitlers order to burn their Parliament building (or whatever the place was called)

    The 9-11 commission totally ignored that building 7 coming down had no real culpable damage correlation from the other towers coming down.

    Also seldom mentioned is that the buildings contained so much asbestos material that the owners had been told that the cost of containment and removal would be near or more than the value of the buildings themselves. Many many unanswered and ignored facts, testimony and questions, of which most damning are the large number of professional engineers, architects, demolition experts, military expersts and Pilots, who have signed onto letters and petitions to have these facts, testimony and questions addressed.

    Why not answer these questions, why the avoidance by our Government and the neocon groups who needed an excuse to go to war to reach their goals in the middle east ?


    You know you'll be labeled a comspiracy theorist for this !! But I believe just like the governments conspiracy theory, all of them should be followed out and researched to wherever the facts may lead. It looks suspiscious when our government refuses to investigate other than their own conspiracy theory.

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    Sep 03, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    I remain to be convinced what happened to the New York World Trade Centre was a conspiracy.The number of people who would have to be involved and (keep silent) makes this implausibe to me.There are so many variant theories,all with their own agendas and disputes.Many seem to be no more than a series of unanswered questions....and that isn`t an explanation.
    More plausible to me is the shock,surprise,and sheer fear following it leads people to ask,"how could this happen to us?" The mainstream answer does not show the country and it`s security in a very good light.The public somehow thought their country safe from terrorism that had afflicted other regions like Europe,the Middle East.There`s an unwillingness to accept that a country like the USA could be so ignorant of,and vulnerable to,a raggle tag group of terrorists(admittedly suicidal).Feeling so obviously open to attack is not a good feeling to have pushed on you.Lots of people go on to instinctively search for an alternative answer,one that requires much more effort to achieve and is more (strangely) flattering ie a conspiracy of some kind.
    The emotions following 9/11 are repeated in all such theories,President Kennedy`s assasination,Princess Diana`s death,etc.
    The internet is the perfect medium for these theories to flourish as so much of it is opinion,hearsay,and half truth.
    I think if there was a conspiracy it was the so called 'reasons' for the the war in Iraq,especially in Great Britain.
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    Sep 03, 2011 5:54 PM GMT
    I think the title of this thread is misleading. That is just one of many conspiracy theories that have been proven wrong over and over again. Terrorists attacked our country....thousands were killed...it will likely happen again.
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    Sep 03, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    An antiquated conspiracy theory IMO.
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    Sep 03, 2011 8:02 PM GMT
    I don't even need to watch the video. I've been following the Truth movement for years, and believe it 100%.
    The US govt is corrupt as fuck, but people don't wanna believe it.
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    Sep 03, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    Those of you who believe Hollywood celebs are experts might enjoy this:
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/media.html

    My favorite is Rosie saying fire can't melt steel. Discussed here, and the comment I liked most is not breaking this news to blacksmiths.
    http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070602105054AAmiu0Z

    More credentials here:
    http://911review.com/coverup/fantasy/melting.html
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    Sep 03, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    Shouldn't the unanswered questions from the Governments Conspiracy theory be studied out rather than ignored or refused to follow leads where they may go ? What reasons does the government have for avoiding doing so ? anyone got any answers for those questions ? Is there something to be afraid of ? LOL

    No one should accept the governments Conspiracy theory unless all avenues are looked into, that's what hundreds maybe even thousands of professionals are calling for, Would that be so crazy ? I think not.


    Has anyone any vids or eyewitness reports of any major multistory buildings where a fire started in the upper third caused said building to come down in its own tracks ? Usually if such a fire takes place the upper floors tip to one side or the other. Again, any proof of such a thing EVER happening before ?


    I personally don't have an ax to grind for any one theory, but I have enough sense to be wisely distrusting of any entity that suddenly refuses to follow obvious leads in an investigation.


    Please bring forward some vids or eyewitness reports of multistory buildings coming down in their own footprints because of a fire in upper stories of such a building. Its known fact that Plane fuel does not reach the temps to utterly melt all the structural steal on the entire floor for the upper floors to come straight down. at most there would have been a few main beams if even that (according to engineers) only at the point where the worst of the fire existed. Still yet, that does not explain 100 plus floors below whose steal beams became molten to allow the building to come down in its own tracks.


    Is there some reason for not having real research done on this when so many professionals say what happened was impossible without assistance? Is someone afraid of the real answers ?


    'Just sayin', because I always think its valuable to question doubtful theories.

    Any examples as asked for ?


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    Sep 04, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    Our Country has very strong conflict of interest regulations and laws to protect the citizenry from unfair outcomes, whether it be from laws, or investigation.

    The Bush / Cheney Administration was one of the absolute worst for conflicts of interest decisions, appointements and so on. One of the most glaring was Bush / Cheney's no bid contracting with regards to the operation of the Iraq war. Cheney had left Haliburtan as its CEO shortly before his Vice Presidency, While Cheney was CEO of Haliburtan he oversaw the purchase of KBR which was a military supply Co. owned by the Bush Family. Who did Bush / Cheney give one of the largest no bid contracts to ?? Haliburtan/KBR, Cheney's severance package included income from future profits of Haliburton, so he had a direct conflict of interest.

    Point being this administration should be the last one to be trusted on anything much less something so serious as their 9-11 conspiracy theory, do a Google search on the Conflicts of interest amongst Bush's hand picked 9-11 commission and see what you come up with. See if you think the public should give that administration its full unquestioning trust. ?
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:20 AM GMT
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    realifedad said Shouldn't the unanswered questions from the Governments Conspiracy theory be studied out rather than ignored or refused to follow leads where they may go ? What reasons does the government have for avoiding doing so ? anyone got any answers for those questions ? Is there something to be afraid of ? LOL



    Because it's a waste of time and money.

    Again. I was there. I saw it all happen. And half the planet watched in real time what was happening.

    Have you ever even been to the WTC prior to its demise?






    Yes, I've been there three times, and your seeing it as well as those seeing it happen on TV doesn't answer any of the questions that should be answered. Here's another one. Why were the on sight witnesses ignored and hushed with their reports of the 'pop pop pop ' explosion noises they heard as it was coming down behind them as they left. Why did the commission not want to hear or consider these eyewitness reports. ?

    As I've said before, I have no particular conspiracy theory to urge or forward whether its the Bush/Cheney conspiracy theory that was used to deceive us into a war with Iraq, or anyone elses conspiracy theory. But some of these glaring questions should be answered by 'disinterested', 'no conflicts' third party professionals. This is important enough to be well worth the time since this even changed the direction of the US.
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:41 AM GMT
    I trust our government as far as I can throw Southbeach...which isn't very far.
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    The Martians told me it was a conspiracy. They told me specifically because they appreciated my tireless efforts to free their hostages captured in Roswell.
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    Sep 04, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidThe Martians told me it was a conspiracy. They told me specifically because they appreciated my tireless efforts to free their hostages captured in Roswell.

    Seriously? They swore me to secrecy. They said I was the only human they were going to talk to about it.

    DAMN it. I bet they didn't use the condom during the anal probe after all.

    They told me that they had promised you would the only human to know, but they felt because of my politics, I was inhuman, so it would not really break their trust with you. They also appreciated my disinformation work at Roswell, where I successfully launched a campaign to have the main conspirator theorists labeled crazy and given psychedelic drugs and shock treatments.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:24 AM GMT
    These guys know more about this topic than most:

    http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI don't even need to watch the video. I've been following the Truth movement for years, and believe it 100%.
    The US govt is corrupt as fuck, but people don't wanna believe it.


    If someone is naive enough to think people in power always tell the truth and never have ulterior motives, you really have your head deep in the sand or the makeup on your face has softened your brain.
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    Sep 04, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
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    You are remiss to not have included the recording of actual "Sounds From Heaven"

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    Sep 04, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
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    This legend of "sounds from Hell" is quite popular among Christian groups as it "proves" Hell (and therefore God) exists. Popular endings to the story have it that the scientists ran screaming from the site, or that since the discovery conversions to Christianity are occurring at an unprecedented rate.

    If there is a Hell under Siberia, scientists have yet to discover it. What we have here is an enthralling legend that's been spun off an actual event.

    In 1984, an article about an experimental well in Russia's Kola Peninsula appeared in Scientific American. The Kola well reached 12 kilometers into the ground, where scientists encountered rare rock formations, flows of gas and water, and temperatures up to 180°. (That's 180°, folks, not the 2,000° usually reported in any "Scientists Discover Hell!" screed. It was hot, but it wasn't hellishly so.)

    Those who did the actual drilling of this very real well did not break through to a hollow centre, and certainly no piteous screams of the damned were heard. That part — all of it — was pure embellishment added after this real event was turned into a legend. (Yes, we know that any number of web sites offer audio clips purporting to be the screams of the damned as recorded in the Well to Hell, and all of them sound like they could be the noise from a typical bar on a busy Friday evening.)

    The report on the digging of that well and the difficulties encountered during the project were collided with someone's vision of what should have been found down there. A little exaggerating about depth and temperature, some fabrication about hollow centres and screams,
    and all of a sudden there was this great story to throw back at those who claim there is no God.

    Though it's impossible to pinpoint when the news story about a well in Russia transformed into a story about scientists breaking into Hell or who was responsible for that transformation, we do know that in 1989 the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) aired a "Scientists Discover Hell" story and placed the event as happening in the Kola Peninsula. A Norwegian schoolteacher visiting California heard that broadcast and took the story back to Norway with him. He then mailed it to a Christian magazine in Finland. In the form of a letter from a reader, it reached a Finnish missionaries newsletter. From there it returned to the United States, reaching both the TBN people and other evangelists who then claimed they had gotten it from a respected Finnish scientific journal.

    In the spring of 1990, the legend as we now know it appeared in both Praise The Lord (February) and Midnight Cry (April). Debunkings of it showed up in Christianity Today (July) and Biblical Archaeology Review (November). Even so, the Weekly World News ran the story in 1992, this time setting it in Alaska and claiming thirteen oil rig workers were killed when the Devil came roaring up out of the ground.

    You can't beat that for embellishment.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    Dubya's administration did answer to those conspiracy theories. For those who criticized President Obama for not submitting to the demands of the birthers, he took just as much time as the Bush administration did in formally responding to the truthers.

    According to the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories, the administration did not formally respond with documentation until 2004.
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    Scruffypup, isn't it ironic that these 'christian' organizations are using this 'scientificly' found hell as a basis for believing in their 'loving god'. Ha !!! The supposed finding of Hell is a 'helluva' reason to base a stronger belief in this god that supposedly created a fire that eternally causes suffering, a new kind of fire from this loving god that doesn't destroy what its burning as with every other fire known to man, but a godly fire that just causes eternal suffering for those who don't do what this loving god wants them to do during their 70 or so years of life on this earth.

    Its the same kind of phenomina that causes people to believe in this kind of bullshit that causes people to buy into the government conspiracy theory that has Airplane fuel melting every steal structure beam at the levels struck at the very same time to cause not just one tower to come down in its own footprint, but two. That means this unscientific probability came about twice within an hour of each other. YESIREEE !!! and then a building (#7) without the addition of the (not hot enough) heat from Airplane fuel came down in the same unscientifically way very shortly thereafter. Then for some unexplained reason building #7 is pretty well ignored by Bush's hand picked commission. But bi god don't question the government, or you'll be laughed at !!! LOL

    Maybe the same loving god that created this 'strange' hell fire, created another kind of 'miracle fire' to cause all those beams to simultaneiously melt down on those floor levels and on every other floor so the buildings could come down in their own footprint. Now that would explain the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory wouldn't it !!! LOL !!! Should Americans just believe in this stuff without researching ?


    Or we could take a look into the studies of many Scientists who found suspiscious chemicals in the residue from the towers, that they studied after many on sight personel reported molten steal at the base of the building hours after any such thing could have existed if the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory of Airplane Fuel causing the meltdown of the beams should have existed



    So which is the most laughable, buying something like the existence of Gods Eternal Hell Fire found down in that well,. or the scientifically impossibility of Airplane fuel creating equal heat throughout the floors struck by the planes so as to cause all the structure beams on those floors to melt down simultaneously and not tilt the building to any one side but to come down in its own tracks. not just once but twice, then a neighboring building to come down the same way without the use of Airplane fuel ? WOW that was a phenominal unscientific miracle happening not once, not twice, but three times within hours of each other

    YESIREEEE !! Trust your Government, and don't question things when science is showing definate holes in the Government Conspiracy theory, because if you question the Government based on Scientific evidence you will be laughed at. Something is rather twisted with such logic.

    I think these scientists, engineers, architects, military professionals and explosives experts are right in demanding a very public research into wherever the scientific facts may lead a real investigation by other than Bush handpicked non professionals in the fields necessary for real investigations on the 9-11 event.


    So why again is it laughable to do scientific research into this event now that Scientists and other experts have discovered holes in the official Conspiracy Theory ?



    Bottom line men, is to question your government, always question things, never give full trust to any government managed by men with god only knows what motives.

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    Sep 04, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    jprichva saidYes, I know it will shock the crap out of RJ, but Southbeach and I are on the same page with this one.

    Going on about conspiracies is an actual insult to the people who died. Their loved ones have a right to the certain knowledge of exactly who killed the victims, and there isn't any question about it, despite the fevered and baseless fantasies of some.

    Precisely, and those with the fantasies only detract from being taken seriously on any arguments they make about other issues.
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    southbeach1500 saidOnce again (again!):

    An American Airlines 767 crashed into the north tower.

    A United Airlines 767 crashed into the south tower.

    The ensuing fires weakened the buildings to the point where they collapsed.

    Burning debris during the collapse penetrated nearby buildings (Deutsche Bank and 7 WTC). The Deutsche Bank building did not collapse due to the burning debris, however 7 WTC did.

    And BTW... if you would actually stick to the facts, you would realize that 2 identical airplanes, both flying BOS-LAX with about the same amount of fuel onboard, crashing into 2 identical buildings, will produce the same end result for both buildings.
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    You darn betcha !!! And the fuel from both of those planes spread evenly throughout the flloors that the planes entered and burned at exactly the same temps at the outside perimeter steal beams of the building as it did where the planes stopped and caused them simultaneously to melt down bringing the buildings down in their own footprints with very little tilting. And this phenomena happened twice and a third building didn't even have fuel to cause the same thing. You betcha !!!!


    Funny thing is that Science tells us that Airplane fuel isn't even hot enough in the first place to melt steal down to tatally fail even if directly exposed to such fuel, let along spreading it over an entire floor of a building. But we are to believe that not only did this fuel melt all those beams so they failed simultaneously, but all that molten steel was seen clear down in the basement of the buildings still ligquid multiple hours later. You betcha !!!

    Well now that Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory makes even more sense !!! You Betcha !!!

    We certainly wouldn't want to bugger up that theory by looking into known scientific cause and effect evidence.

    SB, I'm not throwing this doubt at you particularly, just the whole Conspiracy Theory of Bush/Cheney is suspect due to scientific knowledge. So rather than sticking our heads in the sand, the Scientists and other professionals who are pushing for a scientific research into this, should be given the go ahead, Hell, why not !!! Does the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory have something to lose from the world of Science ? what is the fear here ?


    Never take Government at face value !!!


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    Its the same kind of phenomina that causes people to believe in this kind of bullshit that causes people to buy into the government conspiracy theory that has Airplane fuel melting every steal structure beam at the levels struck at the very same time to cause not just one tower to come down in its own footprint, but two. That means this unscientific probability came about twice within an hour of each other. YESIREEE !!! and then a building (#7) without the addition of the (not hot enough) heat from Airplane fuel came down in the same unscientifically way very shortly thereafter.

    Maybe the same loving god that created this 'strange' hell fire, created another kind of 'miracle fire' to cause all those beams to simultaneiously melt down on those floor levels and on every other floor so the buildings could come down in their own footprint. Now that would explain the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory wouldn't it !!! LOL !!! Should Americans just believe in this stuff without researching ?


    Or we could take a look into the studies of many Scientists who found suspiscious chemicals in the residue from the towers, that they studied after many on sight personel reported molten steal at the base of the building hours after any such thing could have existed if the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory of Airplane Fuel causing the meltdown of the beams should have existed



    So which is the most laughable, buying something like the existence of Gods Eternal Hell Fire found down in that well,. or the scientifically impossibility of Airplane fuel creating equal heat throughout the floors struck by the planes so as to cause all the structure beams on those floors to melt down simultaneously and not tilt the building to any one side but to come down in its own tracks. not just once but twice, then a neighboring building to come down the same way without the use of Airplane fuel ? WOW that was a phenominal unscientific miracle happening not once, not twice, but three times within hours of each other

    YESIREEEE !! Trust your Government, and don't question things when science is showing definate holes in the Government Conspiracy theory, because if you question the Government based on Scientific evidence you will be laughed at. Something is rather twisted with such logic.

    I think these scientists, engineers, architects, military professionals and explosives experts are right in demanding a very public research into wherever the scientific facts may lead a real investigation by other than Bush handpicked non professionals in the fields necessary for real investigations on the 9-11 event.


    So why again is it laughable to do scientific research into this event now that Scientists and other experts have discovered holes in the official Conspiracy Theory ?



    Bottom line men, is to question your government, always question things, never give full trust to any government managed by men with god only knows what motives.

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    jprichva saidYes, I know it will shock the crap out of RJ, but Southbeach and I are on the same page with this one.

    Going on about conspiracies is an actual insult to the people who died. Their loved ones have a right to the certain knowledge of exactly who killed the victims, and there isn't any question about it, despite the fevered and baseless fantasies of some.

    Precisely, and those with the fantasies only detract from being taken seriously on any arguments they make about other issues.







    OLD MAN your so tight in your conservatism you SQUEEK !!! on every subject !!!





    Keep believing your Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory, while some of us would like to find out what Science can tell us rather than buy into any conspiracy theories. Especially when it comes to the record of Bush/Cheney story telling, such as Iraq and WMD's for the reason to go to war, Such as "We don't torture", and "Bush kept us safe" LOL !!! You Betcha !!!

    Never fully believe your government, I'd rather do like Reagan said, "trust but verify".


    Do you have something to lose from Science looking into 9-11 rather than trusting Conspiracy Theories ?
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    Sep 05, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
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    realifedad said


    Never fully believe your government, I'd rather do like Reagan said, "trust but verify".


    Do you have something to lose from Science looking into 9-11 rather than trusting Conspiracy Theories ?


    I don't just take what the government puts out as the gospel truth. Look at the unemployment numbers. Do you really believe we are at 9.1% unemployment? It's actually closer to 20%.

    Do you believe that when news comes out of Washington that spending on a program will be cut that it actually is? No. The rate of increase of spending is what they mean by a spending cut.

    And, I have no issue with anyone who isn't getting taxpayer funding to do so looking into any 9/11 theory whatsoever. Go ahead, knock yourselves out.

    I look forward to hearing the results on an upcoming broadcast of Coast to Coast AM.





    Hell no I don't believe those numbers, our actual unemployment is probably closer to 15% to 20% as you suggest.

    I believe very little coming from Government, because they're like AIPAC only out to put the best light on what they back. LOL

    Now whats this about an upcoming broadcast of Coast To Coast ? has there been a team of scientists working on the above questions re: 9-11 ? any links ?
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    Sep 05, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    Question for you Southbeach:

    Do you think Dubya's administration had an obligation to disprove the truther theories by providing them with evidence that would disprove their theories?

    As I mentioned above, it was done in 2004, but do you think the administration needed to answer to their accusations?
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    Sep 05, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidOnce again (again!):

    An American Airlines 767 crashed into the north tower.

    A United Airlines 767 crashed into the south tower.

    The ensuing fires weakened the buildings to the point where they collapsed.

    Burning debris during the collapse penetrated nearby buildings (Deutsche Bank and 7 WTC). The Deutsche Bank building did not collapse due to the burning debris, however 7 WTC did.

    And BTW... if you would actually stick to the facts, you would realize that 2 identical airplanes, both flying BOS-LAX with about the same amount of fuel onboard, crashing into 2 identical buildings, will produce the same end result for both buildings.



    realifedad said
    Its the same kind of phenomina that causes people to believe in this kind of bullshit that causes people to buy into the government conspiracy theory that has Airplane fuel melting every steal structure beam at the levels struck at the very same time to cause not just one tower to come down in its own footprint, but two. That means this unscientific probability came about twice within an hour of each other. YESIREEE !!! and then a building (#7) without the addition of the (not hot enough) heat from Airplane fuel came down in the same unscientifically way very shortly thereafter.

    Maybe the same loving god that created this 'strange' hell fire, created another kind of 'miracle fire' to cause all those beams to simultaneiously melt down on those floor levels and on every other floor so the buildings could come down in their own footprint. Now that would explain the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory wouldn't it !!! LOL !!! Should Americans just believe in this stuff without researching ?


    Or we could take a look into the studies of many Scientists who found suspiscious chemicals in the residue from the towers, that they studied after many on sight personel reported molten steal at the base of the building hours after any such thing could have existed if the Bush/Cheney Conspiracy theory of Airplane Fuel causing the meltdown of the beams should have existed



    So which is the most laughable, buying something like the existence of Gods Eternal Hell Fire found down in that well,. or the scientifically impossibility of Airplane fuel creating equal heat throughout the floors struck by the planes so as to cause all the structure beams on those floors to melt down simultaneously and not tilt the building to any one side but to come down in its own tracks. not just once but twice, then a neighboring building to come down the same way without the use of Airplane fuel ? WOW that was a phenominal unscientific miracle happening not once, not twice, but three times within hours of each other

    YESIREEEE !! Trust your Government, and don't question things when science is showing definate holes in the Government Conspiracy theory, because if you question the Government based on Scientific evidence you will be laughed at. Something is rather twisted with such logic.

    I think these scientists, engineers, architects, military professionals and explosives experts are right in demanding a very public research into wherever the scientific facts may lead a real investigation by other than Bush handpicked non professionals in the fields necessary for real investigations on the 9-11 event.


    So why again is it laughable to do scientific research into this event now that Scientists and other experts have discovered holes in the official Conspiracy Theory ?



    Bottom line men, is to question your government, always question things, never give full trust to any government managed by men with god only knows what motives.



    Southbeach, you speak with confidence and authority on the subject. Here the Government has wasted all thier time and our money when all they had to do is ask you!