Mail from the HRC- My rant.

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    Sep 04, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    Early June I attended the Motor City Pride here in Detroit. I signed up for a lot of crap at different booths and signed a lot of petitions. One of the booths where I filled out contact information was the HRC. I was a member years ago and received mail regularly but had lost track over timeof them.

    So three months later, today I received my first piece of mail after signing up in June. So what did I get? News of how the battle for gay marriage is going or other gay rights news? An invitation to attend an HRC dinner or get together? Information about the organization and reasons why I should become a paid member?


    Nope. An application for the HRC Visa card. Kind of turns me off to the group that this is the first correspondence received from a 'human rights' organization that even has those words in its title.
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
    Didn't you know having a VISA is a human right? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 04, 2011 11:07 AM GMT
    Branded cards like that give a benefit to the HRC every time it is used. It is a way of creating revenue for HRC (essentially giving them a contribution every time you choose to pay for something with it.

    Instead of giving whatever profit-oriented institution that issued your current VISA an automatic percentage of each transaction, your charity benefits instead.

    You object to their first letter to you being that? What else would HRC be writing to you about? A complaint lodged against you? Offering you their services? No. HRC uses its money for advocacy, legal challenges, and raising more money.

    What did you sign on to their mailing list for? So they could waste money sending you "this is what we did last year for your special interest group mailouts?


    That kind of generosity they do not need, thanks.


    do not wish to sound harsh, but charities need NET contributors, not useless drains on their resources.


    We deal with this at AIDSPEI evey year after The Walk for Life.


    People make a $5 contribution then want a tax receipt ( It costs us more than their contribution to print it and send it. But they want it. And some would like us to mail them a thank you letter too. icon_rolleyes.gif

    If we could just staunch the bleeding of resources to well-intentioned "benefactors" we could increase our service reach.







  • hawkeye7

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    Sep 04, 2011 11:32 AM GMT
    Upper canadia is right
    You need to grow up and realize there are great people and organizations out there fighting for your rights

    how bout you get off your ass and do it yourselficon_neutral.gif
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    hawkeye7 saidUpper canadian is right
    You need to grow up and realize there are great people and organizations out there fighting for your rights

    how bout you get off your ass and do it yourselficon_neutral.gif


    I think he kinda already does. That was implicit in his OP. icon_wink.gif


    My purpose was just to inform, not criticise.

    I got involved in our local AIDS charity only a year ago and there is always interesting details to be learned along the way. Iceblink happens to have made a particularly timely mention of one of those things, and it was a welcome opportunity to share a present concern of the board on which I sit.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    hawkeye7 saidUpper canadia is right
    You need to grow up and realize there are great people and organizations out there fighting for your rights

    how bout you get off your ass and do it yourselficon_neutral.gif



    I've done the volunteer work for rights groups, I've donated the money to the cause. I've worked with the Democratic party making calls to people to get out the vote. I've made the calls and written the letters to Congressmen and Senators, to the President, my Governor. I've done the Aids walks and will be doing one two weeks from today, I've done the Pride marches, I've done the protests at my state capital.

    You need to grow up and stop making assumptions that someone has done nothing.


    And I stand by what I've said- when you sign up to receive information information from a rights organization- the very first thing you receive should not be a credit card application. Sure, they make money with that. But that should be something that comes afterwards, probably after something explaining the work the group has done to explain why it is a good idea to become a paid member of their organization. A credit card application first seems backwards, especially from an organization that has a reputation of being just for wealthy gays and having only expensive events out of the price range of the average person.
  • widestance

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    Sep 04, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    HRC pisses me off not because of the credit card issue. Their biggest achievement is their office space, it's lovely.

    but I can't forgive their stance on:
    Al D'Amato
    over stating membership
    ignoring transgendered people in the Employment Non-Discrimination Act

    HRC's Fred Sainz speaking of Obama's evolving "We do want him to evolve to a position one day in which he fully embraces marriage equality. Do we think that he should do so? Do we think that he should do so soon? Absolutely." What a lovely thought. I don't want the largest LGBT advocacy group to have lovely thoughts. I want to see more action.

    "God help the gay population because HRC won't. If they disappeared tomorrow we would be better off. We might even have won against proposition 8." says Larry Kramer

    I know I am in the minority and a wishy-washy organization is better than none, but they are taking in millions and I don't see a lot of results.


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    Sep 04, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    HRC has lost all respect in my mind. They no longer fight for our rights. One of many examples: Where were they during all the marriage equality debates in the various states? They have become an embarrassment to the gays of the past that fought for our rights.
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    I used to have an HRC Visa (about 10 yrs ago), I saw it exactly for what UpperCanadia stated above...Im gonna be spending money, so why not benefit a cause I believed in....that being said, I eventually cancelled the card because I wasn't as interested in HRC's campaign anymore.

    But yeah, to get an application in the mail for a credit card of any caliber, in america, shouldnt be anything to get ruffled over. I get a few a week from my fraternity or the alumni edition from my college, whoever...no biggie, your money has to go somewhere, right?
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:09 PM GMT
    RoyGBiv79 said

    But yeah, to get an application in the mail for a credit card of any caliber, in america, shouldnt be anything to get ruffled over. I get a few a week from my fraternity or the alumni edition from my college, whoever...no biggie, your money has to go somewhere, right?


    I don't have a problem with the credit card, but I do have a problem that it is the very first thing they send out to someone. I attended a pride fest and filled out information at the booth of the country's largest gay rights organization. Something just seems wrong that they only thing I ever get from them is a credit card application.
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    Dude, you're all kinds of fucked up.
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    I don't have a problem with the credit card, but I do have a problem that it is the very first thing they send out to someone. I attended a pride fest and filled out information at the booth of the country's largest gay rights organization. Something just seems wrong that they only thing I ever get from them is a credit card application.


    I think any organization that is on a national level is going to be fueled by some form of capitalism. Example, my mom signed with Susan G. Kromer Foundation, and one of the first things she received was a visa application for a card with a pink ribbon on it...same idea, as HRC, but my mom embraces capitalism in all its seedy glory, so she didn't see a problem.
    Sounds like you need a more proactive group to channel your efforts into...look local...you'll find more satisfaction in donating your time rather than carrying a piece of plastic.
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    You don't say why this pisses you off. I'll take a guess - you think that having or offering a credit card is antithetical to "human rights"?
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    GOProud is the better group.
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    Sep 04, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    Iceblink said
    RoyGBiv79 said

    But yeah, to get an application in the mail for a credit card of any caliber, in america, shouldnt be anything to get ruffled over. I get a few a week from my fraternity or the alumni edition from my college, whoever...no biggie, your money has to go somewhere, right?


    I don't have a problem with the credit card, but I do have a problem that it is the very first thing they send out to someone. I attended a pride fest and filled out information at the booth of the country's largest gay rights organization. Something just seems wrong that they only thing I ever get from them is a credit card application.


    They are assuming that by signing up you believe in their cause. The credit card thing is a great idea. I have been wanting to do it for my company for years. You get your brand and logo out there in millions of places and you get much needed funding for the charity. Its a huge win win for everyone.
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    Sep 04, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    To be gay I guess one has to hate capitalism.

    Doesn't stop you guys from chatting on RJ, which has ads.
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    Sep 04, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
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