All Gay Men Aim "To Obtain Sex With As Many Boys As Possible"

  • metta

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    Sep 04, 2011 4:36 AM GMT


    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/gay-men-aim-to-obtain-sex-with-as-many-boys-as-possible-liberty-univ/discrimination/2011/09/03/26324


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    EWWWWW ....that is what they are talking about when they talk about “indoctrinate children.”

    Dr. Judith Reisman - a truly sick, twisted, repulsive human being.
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    Sep 04, 2011 6:20 AM GMT
    *sigh*
    Every single day gays are being killed by haters, and every single day people in power are promoting it through their hate speech.
    Makes me fucking sick to my stomach. icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 04, 2011 11:13 AM GMT
    It's called projection.icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 04, 2011 11:21 AM GMT
    With America being so litigious, can't this broad be hit with a class-action lawsuit for slander? Her claim is easily demonstrated to be a falsehood, harm can be demonstrated. It is not First Amendment (it would be a civil case, not government fettering free speech) and freedom of speech is not a valid defense to slander or libel.

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    Sep 04, 2011 12:33 PM GMT
    OK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1784882

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1768551

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    Sep 04, 2011 12:52 PM GMT
    Shit like this actually helps us, believe it or not. For a living, I study and prepare political messaging.

    This chick will not convince anyone except for the haters who already agree with her. She will not convince an undecided or uncertain person because it is too crazy.

    Our response should be to marginalize her even more so that our supporters and the undecideds recognize how nucking futs she is.

    "Dr. Reisman is dishonestly greedy. She is well-funded to distort facts to support this "pro-pediphelia" lie because she sold her opinion to the highest bidder. No sane scientist agrees with her."

    (I didn't think about that fully... give me time and I could come up with a better response, but our response should be to marginlize her because the reality is that she IS a fringe whackjob and we have to use simple, clear language to reaffirm that.)
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:08 PM GMT
    ScottSometimes saidOK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.


    No one is claiming there are no promiscuous gay men (not that being promiscuous is necessarily a negative or predominantly gay trait, in any case). This woman is basically claiming all gay men are paedophiles! Her 'ammunition' is warped and the only people that handed it to her were a bunch of religious fucktards.

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    Sep 04, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    ScottSometimes saidOK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1784882

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1768551

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1746119






    The first link you posted was Paul being facetious. (At least I'm pretty sure he was.) The other two links are innocent conversations you might find in any adult forum, gay or straight. However, I do agree with you that we give them PLENTY of ammunition. The Southern Decadence event that's going on here in New Orleans as I speak is a very good example, not to mention our "Pride" parades where the behavior is nothing to be proud of.
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    ScottSometimes saidOK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1784882

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1768551

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1746119






    The first link you posted was Paul being facetious. (At least I'm pretty sure he was.) The other two links are innocent conversations you might find in any adult forum, gay or straight. However, I do agree with you that we give them PLENTY of ammunition. The Southern Decadence event that's going on here in New Orleans as I speak is a very good example, not to mention our "Pride" parades where the behavior is nothing to be proud of.


    Condemned by a psuedo moral segment of the population, gay men usually counter by abandoning any sense of a healthy moral restraint as unnecessary. After all, what's the point of a healthy moral restraint when you're supposedly damned for just existing?
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    She is not a serious intellect. She does not deserve full intellectual engagement for her extreme and demonstrably false claims.

    Marginalise her and if she can be sued for slander etc do it. But do it with contempt.
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    Anyone here have legal training? If this woman just called me a pedophile, which is a criminal act, can't I bring slander charges against her? I'm not a public figure, I'm retired in private life, so she wouldn't have the defense that's sometimes used when making statements about a person in the public eye.

    And I'm not sure I'd have to prove actual damages, other than to my "reputation and good name" for being accused of committing a felony. Aren't there also laws prohibiting hate speech? And if enough gays did that, in enough States, she would be hounded from court to court throughout the US (except in the Red States, of course). Opinions?
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    Sep 04, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    Animus said

    Condemned by a psuedo moral segment of the population


    Quite. And a segment of the population who do not even know the difference between consensual sex between adults and child rape.icon_rolleyes.gif Still, it seems she has managed to find at least two tacit sympathisers, even on this site.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 04, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    Ridiculous...... she should have just titled it "Breeding Time"..

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    Sep 04, 2011 2:03 PM GMT
    "ALL homosexuals are pedophiles?" Really? This woman has a PhD? I usually don't even like anyone younger than 30.
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    Sep 04, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
    Dear Ms. Reisman,

    I'm writing in response to your absolutely ridiculous statements made about gays and lesbians on a radio show called "Faith and Freedom." You claim that there is some historical "reality" that gays do not want to deal with. Well that's interesting, last time I checked, people in the straight world in that day and age were married off at extremely young ages. In various religions, cultures and races there is evidence of this being practiced. Child marriage STILL takes place today within straight societies all over the world. I do not defend these acts, as no child should be precociously exposed to sex. However - for you to distort the truth and say that this behavior is evident only in homosexual is reprehensible, and adds to your already embarrassing set of statements. Why have you not come out on the radio and discussed the issues of child marriage or child abuse that exist in the straight world?

    I know many gays and lesbians, and none of them have ever discussed some strange agenda to sexualize young kids. Having it taught in school that there are some families that have two dads or two moms is no more sexual than saying most families have one mom and one dad. You yourself are adding in the sexualization piece and it's strange that you'd project that into an issue that is likely to be inherently NONsexual in the mind of a child. Do you suggest then, that all children who are taught about families in school (and I'm not talking about in health classes, when they are older) are told exactly how male-female reproduction works? Again, YOU add in the sexual piece in your homophobic, bigoted tirades. A lame and simple use of fear tactics to gain support for your "cause."

    Also, if AIDS is a natural outgrowth of amoral sexual education and media... as you have claimed, then why is it now most prevalent in Sub Saharan Africa, in non-homosexual individuals? It seems that you imply like many have, that HIV is a 'gay disease'. I'd venture to say that the spread of HIV (you get HIV first, then AIDS) was first related to a lack of awareness about the disease until it had already been spread to a large number of people. Its continuing spread also results from a lack of EDUCATION, period as to how the virus is spread between people.

    People who are taught about HIV transmission already know that abstaining is the only 100% foolproof way to stop transmission, so for you to add in the 'morality' piece into sexual education is silly, antiquated and completely unrealistic. Add in the complexities of IV drug abusers and it becomes a much bigger problem. If you want to make any productive impact in society, you deal with societal issues from the context of society as it exists. Not from a judgmental and unrealistic point of reference that bears no relation to the vast majority of members of society.

    Back to your points about pedophilia. You make the same ridiculous claims that Anita Bryant made in the 1970's. The issue of it is quite simple, actually. Gay and pedophile are not the same thing. I don't know any gay men who would try to have sex with a young boy. Moreover, the statistics are interesting and do not shine well in your point of view. In a report from the Department of Justice, 40% of sex offenders were juveniles. Adults were responsible for the other 60%. About 60% of the sex offenses were male to female. So we see that most offenses are in 'straight' forms. Although, if you were reporting correctly about pedophilia and consulted with any psychologist that is registered with APA and an expert in pedophilia... you would be reminded of the fact that pedophiles and homosexuals have, really, nothing to do with each other. You would be reminded that for a pedophile, their attraction is mainly about age. These individuals are not attracted to adult men or women. Again, YOU add in your belief that there is some relationship between pedophilia and homosexuality. In your discourse, you oversimplify by trying to place everyone (even pedophiles) into "gay or straight" categories. (Groth & Birnbaum) (Knight, 1989).

    Unfortunately for you, neither life nor the human mind are that simple, although you would like it to be. Study after study have gone on to disprove all of the toxic statements that you have made about people in the LGBT community.

    Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. Journal of
    Sex Research, 26, 107-117.
    This article is discussed above in the "Other Approaches" section. As the FRC concedes, it contradicts their argument. The abstract summarizes the authors' conclusion: "Findings indicate that homosexual males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to female children."

    Your points are all false and based on lies and twisting of facts. It's a shame that you choose to profess "truth" and do so with such toxic and hateful methods. While I'm sure that you will not cease to be a toxic person who lies to the masses, I can only do my part to fight people like you both privately and publicly.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAnyone here have legal training? If this woman just called me a pedophile, which is a criminal act, can't I bring slander charges against her? I'm not a public figure, I'm retired in private life, so she wouldn't have the defense that's sometimes used when making statements about a person in the public eye.

    And I'm not sure I'd have to prove actual damages, other than to my "reputation and good name" for being accused of committing a felony. Aren't there also laws prohibiting hate speech? And if enough gays did that, in enough States, she would be hounded from court to court throughout the US (except in the Red States, of course). Opinions?


    I'm not a lawyer, but it seems extremely likely to me that there's an out for her on this. Engaging in pedophilia or pederasty is a crime. However, there are many who use the term to designate an orientation -- albeit, a very harmful one -- and thus one can be a pedophile while never having committed a crime, in the same way a guy can be gay without having ever had sex with another guy.

    It could still be slander, but not because being a pedophile is a crime -- it isn't, necessarily. Acting on it is.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
    Very well said, Zb. Let the toxic witch stick that in her pipe and smoke it.
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    Sep 04, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    ScottSometimes saidOK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1784882

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1768551

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1746119





    Scott, the gist of the woman's position is that gays are pedophiles. Where in those three topics is that even mentioned?

    curious,

    -Doug
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidShe is not a serious intellect. She does not deserve full intellectual engagement for her extreme and demonstrably false claims.

    Marginalise her and if she can be sued for slander etc do it. But do it with contempt.


    Great response ZbmwM5.

    Does anyone else find it ironic that a Jewish 'scholar' is engaging in the same political cognitive simplification structure that the Nazis used to demonize Jews in the 1930s? I agree that she speaks to an audience that agrees this tripe, but we can not underestimate the power of biased educated anti-intellectuals (Perry, Bachmann, etc).
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    meninlove said
    ScottSometimes saidOK, that woman just looks like a whack job, but c'mon, it's not like the gay community doesn't hand the right wingers ammunition to use against them. Can't have it both ways, kids - i always thought it was ironic how some guys behave and then cry when some right-wing wing nut picks up on it and uses it their propoganda.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1784882

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1768551

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1746119





    Scott, the gist of the woman's position is that gays are pedophiles. Where in those three topics is that even mentioned?

    curious,

    -Doug
    Scott is a knee jerk jerk who jerks before engaging brain..
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
    There is a small handful of anti-gay pundits who show up repeatedly in the media with vitriolic but baseless accusations designed to smear gays and lesbians and thwart the progress GLBTs are slowly seeing.

    The usual suspects are Judith Reisman, Matt Barber, Maggie Gallagher, Charles Socarides, and Paul Cameron.

    They live in their own little echo chamber of lies they tell each other about gays and this serves to re-affirm their certainty in their own anti-gay beliefs. They unabashedly put out false information that then gets picked up by the conservative media, the fringe right-wing blogs and websites, and conservative talk radio hosts with enormous audiences.

    So, even though this is an incredibly small group of people originating these bizarre accusations, their reach and influence is vastly disproportional to their size. They are a small group themselves but they have some very large and loud mouthpieces relaying their message.

    And unfortunately, the audiences who are receptive to their propaganda are extremely credulous when it comes to the anti-gay argument and accept it as truth reflexively, yet are utterly incapable of being persuaded by any facts or reason that goes against what they've decided to believe.

    Education, healthy skepticism, and critical thinking skills are the best guarantor of respect for individual liberties and dignity. But sadly, there is a large subset of Americans today who just don't value those things. They prefer to live in ignorance and false certitude that "their side" is right.
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    Draper said


    Damn those sneaky homo secshooals!

    Also why are all these kids so grossly unsupervised that they can basically unwittingly have longer relationships with older gay men that I've ever had o_O
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    he next person who emails or calls her should include the statement:

    Jennie was a lesbian/faggot!

    That'll piss her off!
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    Sep 04, 2011 4:38 PM GMT
    As gay marriage is finding more and more public acceptance, those opposed to it are resorting to the most asinine and illegitimate line of reasoning, that gays are advancing pedophilia.

    They try to equate anti-bullying school programs with an insidious agenda to sexualize children and introduce them to homosexuality.

    Rabid anti-gay hate groups like Mass Resistance (with a tragically 90s era website) have called the "It Gets Better" video campaign to discourage gay teen suicide "vile". They insist that any school based mention, the mere acknowledgement, that homosexuality is an extant phenomenon is blatant promotion of homosexuality.

    These people really do not live in the real world. They live in a bizarre, hate filled, politically driven alternate reality. Hearing them speak makes normal people shake their head and go, "Huh?"

    With this silly and transparent effort to equate all homosexuality with pedophilia, these highly marginal groups have really jumped the shark. It's pure desperation. Who doesn't want to protect children? Who isn't concerned about the well-being of their children and the children of others? So very clearly, these groups are on an utterly deceitful and shameful campaign to instill pure irrational fear. Fear that no child is safe from a homosexual.

    Most people, thankfully, are not dumb enough to buy it.