Gay Liberals: Please explain to me your love-hate affair with money

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    Sep 05, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    I find it most interesting.
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    Sep 05, 2011 5:33 AM GMT
    I need money to buy the hookers.
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidI find it most interesting.
    Please explain to everyone your self loathing.... we find it most interesting.
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    lame
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    JackNWNJ saidI find it most interesting.
    Please explain to everyone your self loathing.... we find it most interesting.
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    Go easy on "SubTropical" Mark... he's not a very strong individual... he's already had a heart attack.
    Lostboy is posting in reference to the OP, ya idiot.
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI'll take a stab at it, even though I am not fiscally liberal.

    nothing to say
    The question was asked to "LIBERAL GAYS".. you are not one of either category.. buzz off bozo.
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI'll take a stab at it, even though I am not fiscally liberal.

    Liberals believe in approximately equal outcomes. When someone has more money than they deem to be "appropriate" it rubs them the wrong way because it is at odds with their idea of a "fair" and "equitable" distribution of wealth in their ideal "utopian" society.



    Incorrect. We believe in a level playing field with a social safety net to ensure that no one falls so far down the ladder, particularly those who are children, elderly, ill, etc., that they end up in squalor. We also generally believe taht those of us who have benefited the most from our society and government have an implicit responsibility to provide from those who do not whether through taxes, charity or some combination of both. It's very simple and not at all utopian.
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    Sep 05, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    Liberals believe in approximately equal outcomes. When someone has more money than they deem to be "appropriate" it rubs them the wrong way because it is at odds with their idea of a "fair" and "equitable" distribution of wealth in their ideal "utopian" society.

    wow! I'm pretty damned liberal and so are most of my friends - and that's news to all of us!
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidI'll take a stab at it, even though I am not fiscally liberal.

    Liberals believe in approximately equal outcomes. When someone has more money than they deem to be "appropriate" it rubs them the wrong way because it is at odds with their idea of a "fair" and "equitable" distribution of wealth in their ideal "utopian" society.

    Incorrect. We believe in a level playing field with a social safety net to ensure that no one falls so far down the ladder, particularly those who are children, elderly, ill, etc., that they end up in squalor. We also generally believe taht those of us who have benefited the most from our society and government have an implicit responsibility to provide from those who do not whether through taxes, charity or some combination of both. It's very simple and not at all utopian.

    I know this is not a thread for me to respond, but I just want to comment that I agree with everything Christian said. This country should not tolerate anyone here legally living in squalor, and if that requires government intervention and taxes for a safety net, I'm all for it. Where we disagree is on the role of government versus the private sector impacting businesses and those not needing a safety net.
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    We're with Christian and Socalfitness on this one. As for Jack, meh, his limited experiences with some he calls liberals and projecting those experiences onto all liberals is telling.

    Quite frankly we don't have much time for him. He trolls in an often very cruel and callous way, and we think this topic is yet another example.
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    meninlove said We're with Christian and Socalfitness on this one. As for Jack, meh, his limited experiences with some he calls liberals and projecting those experiences onto all liberals is telling.

    Quite frankly we don't have much time for him. He trolls in an often very cruel and callous way, and we think this topic is yet another example.

    I hope you will comment similarly in some of the other threads we see, such as those with distinctive thread titles. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
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    meninlove said We're with Christian and Socalfitness on this one. As for Jack, meh, his limited experiences with some he calls liberals and projecting those experiences onto all liberals is telling.

    Quite frankly we don't have much time for him. He trolls in an often very cruel and callous way, and we think this topic is yet another example.

    I hope you will comment similarly in some of the other threads we see, such as those with distinctive thread titles. icon_wink.gif


    *gasps* I'm gonna tell Bill you winked at me! lol, sweet.
    Point made. I'm glad you posted here on this topic what you did, because it's important to remember that many great conservatives have big hearts; one does not have to sacrifice one for the other. Your post is proof.

    kindly,

    -Doug
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:38 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    JackNWNJ saidI find it most interesting.
    Please explain to everyone your self loathing.... we find it most interesting.
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    Go easy on "SubTropical" Mark... he's not a very strong individual... he's already had a heart attack.
    Lostboy is posting in reference to the OP, ya idiot.


    Oh really Mr. Dense? It completely eluded you that I re-arranged the quotes to make it appear that the "Lost" "Boy" was commenting on your idiotic, hateful post. But of course the liberal hens are always silent when one of their own tosses the "self-loathing gay" phrase around.....

    If the shoe fits bitch, wear it! No need for any discussion or comment.
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:46 PM GMT

    SB said, " But of course the liberal hens are always silent when one of their own tosses the "self-loathing gay" phrase around..... "


    We've seen the same on the conservative side, so what's your usual no-point point Mr 'liberal hens'?
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    Sep 05, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    TropicalMark said
    southbeach1500 said
    TropicalMark said
    JackNWNJ saidI find it most interesting.
    Please explain to everyone your self loathing.... we find it most interesting.
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    Go easy on "SubTropical" Mark... he's not a very strong individual... he's already had a heart attack.
    Lostboy is posting in reference to the OP, ya idiot.


    Oh really Mr. Dense? It completely eluded you that I re-arranged the quotes to make it appear that the "Lost" "Boy" was commenting on your idiotic, hateful post. But of course the liberal hens are always silent when one of their own tosses the "self-loathing gay" phrase around.....



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    Sep 05, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    To all gay Conservatives: tell us about your obsession with money;it`s most interesting.
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    We referred to liberal hens. Pay attention.
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    Sep 05, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    facepalm
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    Sep 05, 2011 7:40 PM GMT
    meninlove said
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    meninlove said We're with Christian and Socalfitness on this one. As for Jack, meh, his limited experiences with some he calls liberals and projecting those experiences onto all liberals is telling.

    Quite frankly we don't have much time for him. He trolls in an often very cruel and callous way, and we think this topic is yet another example.

    I hope you will comment similarly in some of the other threads we see, such as those with distinctive thread titles. icon_wink.gif


    *gasps* I'm gonna tell Bill you winked at me! lol, sweet.
    Point made. I'm glad you posted here on this topic what you did, because it's important to remember that many great conservatives have big hearts; one does not have to sacrifice one for the other. Your post is proof.

    kindly,

    -Doug

    Thank you. I think there are compassionate folks of all political stripes. Many including myself want to do everything to encourage those who can ultimately take care of themselves to do so. There is no substitute for the feeling of accomplishment and dignity that someone who can take care of themselves feels over those dependent on others. Though some will always be dependent, and they need to be treated with dignity, we should do everything to facilitate, not hinder, self-sufficiency.
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    Sep 05, 2011 9:43 PM GMT
    Money is a tool.
    With prudent stewardship and wise application, money can make a difference in the lives of people for a sustainable relative worth.
    Truly compassionate capitalism (not the farce that Bush the Senior trotted out) can bring global prosperity and peace to all of humanity. We can enable humanity to self-actualize and create a future which is hopeful and sustainable for all for all time.

    In a world where there is no poverty, no hunger, no homelessness, no lack of healthcare, many people can be content. Many will still seek to achieve excellence just because excellence is a cool expression of the human spirit.

    This does not have to mean that all wealth is equally distributed. It is possible to have people who are wealthier than others. At the very least, peoples' basic human needs should be met, and education provided which empowers people to make more of their lives if they so choose.

    Just my opinion. It's not right. It's not wrong. It just is.
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    GAMRican saidMoney is a tool.
    With prudent stewardship and wise application, money can make a difference in the lives of people for a sustainable relative worth.
    Truly compassionate capitalism (not the farce that Bush the Senior trotted out) can bring global prosperity and peace to all of humanity. We can enable humanity to self-actualize and create a future which is hopeful and sustainable for all for all time.

    In a world where there is no poverty, no hunger, no homelessness, no lack of healthcare, many people can be content. Many will still seek to achieve excellence just because excellence is a cool expression of the human spirit.

    This does not have to mean that all wealth is equally distributed. It is possible to have people who are wealthier than others. At the very least, peoples' basic human needs should be met, and education provided which empowers people to make more of their lives if they so choose.

    Just my opinion. It's not right. It's not wrong. It just is.


    this, 100%, but mostly, the second paragraph.
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    Sep 05, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
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    GAMRican said
    Truly compassionate capitalism (not the farce that Bush the Senior trotted out) can bring global prosperity and peace to all of humanity. We can enable humanity to self-actualize and create a future which is hopeful and sustainable for all for all time.


    This is what I mean about the "utopia" liberals are allegedly aspiring to (I think it actually has more to do with the liberals being in position of being the "providers" of government compensation and services, which gives them power.)

    Anyway, there will never be prosperity on a global basis, just due to human nature. Somebody will always work harder than someone else and the basic unfairness of penalizing (via government confiscation of wealth) the person who has taken more risks and/or worked harder than someone else and realized greater financial rewards that the person who did not take risks and/or work as hard will never succeed in the long term (or even not-so-long term).



    Don't mischaracterize his language or his intent, the word "compassionate" negates any type of "power" lusting... Don't you see that? That compassion(ate capitalism) cancels out the so-called "lust for power", which neutralizes government's malintent, and restores gov't to it's actual function.

    You're so silly...it's like his words went in one ear and out the other, as if a specific word or phrase of his language triggered a response in you that you've given to hundreds of threads about this very topic, making you spit out some weird shit (listed above beside your name)

    Naysayers, like yourself, when it comes towards "prosperity on a global basis" ARE THE ONES WHO LUST FOR POWER. How? Implicitly. By ignoring any alternative route (however difficult it may prove to furnish) to global prosperity that is just simply ... FAIR. And even with your line of reasoning, who are you to judge the human nature, when YOUR OWN kin (albeit only of sexuality) seem to disagree with you on every front?

    We all understand the effects and processes that rising members of a community go through -- you're right...based on their risks, work, ethics, etc, and that's exactly what Gamm is talking about -- those people will rise to luxurious levels while others will stay at moderate levels, doing moderate work -- but at LEAST, no one will suffer the despicable level of poverty that we subject them to.
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    Sep 05, 2011 11:07 PM GMT
    Gosh, Jayp! I didn't realize that I was important enough to draw a reaction from SB. I have that asshat on my "Ignore his Posts" list so that my RJ experience is much more serene.

    Don't waste your time or keystrokes with SB, Jayp. Some trolls are just asshats who have no sense of compassion and connection to the larger whole of humanity. It's a form of sociopathology. This is why they are asshats/trolls.

    The human experience is one where we continually struggle with the tension and desire to balance between "identity of self" and "belonging with others". Some of us realize and acknowledge this tension and can still balance between the two. Those of us who can have compassion and empathy for others realize that the health of the individual depends upon the health of humanity (and visa versa).

    And, because research has indicated that those who are "liberal" have a genetic and biological advantage over those who are "conservative", eventually asshats/trolls and their ideology will naturally select to extinction.

    Thanks again for your supportive words, Jayp.

    Aloha and Be Well!
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    Sep 05, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    poverty is not a global standard. each country has it's own scale and standard and even CULTURE of poverty. you cannot compare them. the poverty in America may be better off in global comparison by sheer economic numbers, but it doesn't warrant an over-looking of the poverty within our own borders -- you cannot dismiss our exploited impoverished class simply because, thousands of miles away, it's ''worse off''

    the people who live in poverty in our own home country are forced to watch the fortunate elites right outside of their door, their streets, their towns, neighborhoods, their schools, and inside their own homes while they watch TV. how are you to ignore that terrible injustice simply because thousands of miles away, it's worse? what is your solution, they move?
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    Sep 05, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    If you don't like the source of the link below, feel free to google - you'll find plenty of sources for this info.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty
    Are you really that stupid?

    The "heritage foundation'? C'mon bitch..

    "Our mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense."

    and you really think people here are going to take that for gospel? Bias yes, gospel, fuck no!