This is probably the best piece of logic that I have seen regarding the US Presidential Elections in Nov. 2008 I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THIS BUT HE/SHE DOESN'T PULL ANY PUNCHES!!!!!
After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President. I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.
We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words "money" and "special interests" come to mind, among many others.
Here's the way I see it: Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.
You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth! But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job!
Barack baby, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend "G-- D--- America" Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there.
The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people. We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now. And you have publicly stated that this man IS your "spiritual mentor".
BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a "discouraging word" in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades. Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing.
Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallies and never once heard the "N" word. Yep. And Bill Clinton "did not inhale".
Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you.
I am deeply sorry, that in a county teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office.
Now, did I mention Bill Clinton? AH YES! This brings us to MRS. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, who this candidate really is, in spite of all the other names she may care to call herself. This "feminist" piece of work of course would like to be referred to as MS.and we all know who wears the pant suit in that family.
MS. Clinton, (sugar), it is just as depressing to realize that there are dozens of women who would also make great Presidents. But, fortunately, the horrible state of the selection process has selected YOU. Ms. Clinton, I'm sorry, but you could not tell the truth if we water boarded your worthless A--! Still you play the role of the "embarrassed but dignified noble wife". What utter malarky!
I am not voting for you for a world of reasons, but the main one is the same as my not voting for Senator Obama. You persistently insult my intelligence. It COULD be conceivably possible that you did not know about Monica Lewinsky, extremely remote, but possible if we stretch our imaginations a bit. But you turn around and then ask me to believe that you also did not know about Paula Jones and the legion of other women who were chewed up and spit out by your lecherous excuse for a husband. Puleese turn off this broken record !!!
But let's set aside your hubby's flagrant pecadillos. The real reason I will never vote for you is that I don't think the country can survive EIGHT MORE YEARS of Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Sandy Berger stuffing his socks with classified intelligence, Janet Reno's goon squad, and the myriad other corruptions that seem to stick to you like your ugly face. So our former President can't keep his d### in his pants. The REAL issue is that he committed perjury under oath when he lied about it and the pathetically-attempted coverup that followed. Like you, he is totally incapable of telling the truth. He could not do it if you tortured him, and in voting for you, we would get the BOTH of you, all over again -- the same folks who could have taken out Osama Bin Laden over 3,000 dead Americans ago!
And please stop telling me that you have "8 years of experience" to lead us. You were the freakin' first lady already, not the Commander in Chief. Jeez! The sum of your "experience" is that of the most worrisome and incompetent meddling in the history of the White House. You even cursed your pitiful staff and the Secret Service agents who were and still are unfortunately charged with risking their lives to protect your worthless, thieving hide, and all at the expense of other people who have to work for a living.
Your single pathetic platform is to finance the illegal drugs, alcoholism and bad habits of the very lowest and most irresponsible freeloaders in America and to then "garnish the wages" (your own words) of every law-abiding and hard-working American to pay for it. This disaster you refer to as "Universal Health Care".
Where have you been the last 30 years? Did you not see that socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried? Did you not notice that the Soviet Union has collapsed since it gave no reward to those who worked the hardest for the fruits of their own labors to pay for those who will not??
It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake: Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard Nixon look like a rank amateur. The utter contempt and unbelievable arrogance of some of your strongest supporters, most notably the recently resigned and disgraced Governor Eliot Spitzer, the epitome of hypocritical and malevolent arrogance gone wild, one of your most ardent, wealthy and powerful political supporters. A man the news media refuses to admit IS a "super delegate" in your own political machine, a fine example of your own "adopted" state of New York. No wonder you moved there to run for Senator! The environment there is perfect for the likes of you! Yes, I would vote for a woman, but I will NOT vote for YOU! Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.
John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button. Think about it. We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rat
The rest that would not fit.... I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really pissed off at all these other nut jobs around the planet. John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it.
I want ALL of these "world leaders" to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America. I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your night stand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran, Russia , China ,Venezuela , Cuba , Libya , Syria , Pakistan ,and those other a%$holes in the sheets, the Saudis.
On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are pissed at him and the conservatives are pissed at him. Just my kinda guy.
I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Good choice. I want a JEW whose memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in his mind and who is royally pissed off at all of these towel-headed morons in the Middle East to be the next in line if something should happen to John. Shalom, Vice President Joe -- one heartbeat from the Oval Office.
Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America. When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was "nothing special". Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that; but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the "average American". And that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot for on election day for John McCain -- warts and all
Saw some feminists on the news, a mother and daughter. The mother was pissed because her daughter wasn't going to vote for Hillary simply because she was a woman. That's like buying a used car because it's green, with no thought to quality or value. And that shows a serious lack of character and wisdom.
I hear ya.... Obama is a talented speaker/panderer with no resume. I would have voted for Hillary, but now that the party has chosen style over substance, it looks like John McCain will get my vote. McCain's record is moderate enough for me and he's profoundly more qualified.
Ah yes, qualified. Everyone except Obama seems to have gone to president school and studied at least up a M.S. degree level. They all lay in bed at night dreaming about military strategies and how best to make the world fear America and it's might just like a previously successful Austrian immigrant who led Germany. None of them are subjected to ridiculous and patently false rumour campaigns regarding their middle names and acts of ceremonial patriotism. Everyone except Obama has been transparent and forthcoming about their personal income sources except Hillary and McCain's wife.
Most of what I see above is a collection of half-truths compiled from the Republican spin machine and promoted by the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.
And of course, we desperately need someone who will not hesitate to use nuclear weapons. They will instantly solve all of our global societies' problems by immediately destroying it. Maybe then the Log Cabin Republicans will rise, phoenix-like from the ashes to form a new order where it's okay to a least discuss civil rights for minorities, while still not granting them, within the Republican party.
crispro saidI hear ya.... Obama is a talented orator with no resume. I would have voted for Hillary, but now that the party has chosen style over substance, it looks like John McCain will get my vote. McCain's record is moderate enough for me and he's profoundly more qualified.
Sometimes I wonder what it feels like to want to vote for a
quite possibly senile
flip-flopping on positions held less than eight years ago
man who hires the man who flooded the south with rumors that he had a black illegitimate baby as his campaign advisor,
and who waited decades to apologize for voting against MLK Day (who votes against MLK Day?,
a republican who'll continue the grand tradition of yelling individual rights, state's rights, while expanding the government, absorbing the 4th estate, continuing corporate welfare,
and galvanize around the world to continue the new tradition of war privatization so his friends can continue expanding the government in the name of security when some foreign enemies hit back.
It must feel pretty good, feeling content while you vote your country into a downward spiral. (sociopath)Well, I guess the corporate think tanks have done their job placing "intellectuals" and "teachers" all over the country to revise history and make up bullshit so we can all vote against our interests. Bravo.
To the OP: It is nice to see that you are willing to express your opinion! But if anything it was a tawdry and sad comedic attempt to justify your support for that tyrant's candidacy. But so be it, I did enjoy how you attempted to pass off your "criticism" of John McCain as actual criticism with the hope someone will not view your post (actually almost a diatribe) as biased. All I am saying is if senor geriatric wins in November I am just going to laugh!
Your points of contention are stupid...but hey...to each his own...righ?
crispro saidI hear ya.... Obama is a talented speaker/panderer with no resume. I would have voted for Hillary, but now that the party has chosen style over substance, it looks like John McCain will get my vote. McCain's record is moderate enough for me and he's profoundly more qualified.
Hmmm...sounds like a scapegoat for something deeper. What about John McCain intrigues you enough to support him? What policies of his do you support? How do you think him being president will benefit this country? Just curious! I mean...it is only fair for me to ask you since it seems like you have almost formulated a partial argument for your choice out of convenience. But wait, that is how most Americans decide for whom they vote.
Also, please defend your definition of qualified!!!
You just know that if McCain wins, the price of adult diapers will go through the roof. They'll be discussing the price of adult diapers like it was crude oil. Speculators will be bidding on Depends, buying, selling, trading. Faux News will have Bill O'Really blaming the Arabs for his own shitting in his pants. Alzheimers will be in vogue. Dentures will be all the rage and if you're a straight guy who married anyone but a cunt and a trollop you could be extraordinarily renditioned.
While I don't like the idea of voting only for a specific party, at this point in history, the prospect of another Republican having the opportunity to appoint 1 or 2 more conservative Supreme Court Justices (already tilted right) is a bit frightening. These are the people that have a tremendous impact on our lives for more years than any one President's term. I'm always surprised the Democrats don't bring that point up more often.
Why waste RJ's bandwidth with this infantile drivel? It sounds like it was lifted from a vanity posting on Freerepublic.com.
Much of what's said either isn't true (Obama did not meet Qaddafi, in Libya or elsewhere) or is recycled rumors and fearmongering. The so-called "Clinton body count" is one of the most far fetched and ridiculous pieces of internet conspiracy theory crap ever written. It's garbage.
The writing you call "pulling no punches" I call the maladroit ramblings of some young conservative misfit with a dull intellect and the inability to make reasoned arguments, and so resorts to personal vituperation and gratuitous assumptions.
There's nothing noteworthy about this. If this were written as part a college Political Science assignment, it would get a grade of D or C at best.
Well I don't think other countries need to be reminded that the USA is sitting on over 3,000 nukes. Everytime a country tries to acquire nuclear weapons, the US government piously says "you can't have them, but we can".
John McCain may make a fine president, only time will tell if he gets elected.
My only piece of advice to my American friends is to VOTE, regardless of who it is for. It is time to revive democracy in the US, and the first step is to increase the % of the population that makes the effort to vote.
JustJohn saidImtrying21, even Karl Rove said people will vote Republican until they get some education, then they vote Democratic.
That's not quite accurate. He said they vote Democrat if they get "too much" education, not "some" education.
The Republican Party, conservatives in general, and the church have always been anti-intellectual. They have this perception (not without merit) that the more educated and intellectual a person becomes, the more liberal they become.
The Republican Party probably wants people educated enough to work and contribute to the economy to make GDP grow, but not educated so much that they become liberals and start seriously pondering issues like universal healthcare, the environment, and minority rights.
It is revolting to hear someone claim they could not vote for Obama because of Jeremiah Wright, and yet the insane ravings of John Hagee and Rod Parsley don't even factor into the possibility of voting for McCain.
Anyone who claims this is a reasoned argument, or anything other than propaganda with a thinly-veiled cover of anguished soul-searching, is truly an idiot.
The Republicans have done nothing good in my lifetime. The last really good thing a Republican did was free the slaves.
Perhaps it's his charisma but I actually like Senator Obama. With that said, it's not logical to vote for him as president. He's on his first term as a Senator and still wet behind the ears.
I also must doubt his judgement because of the company he keeps.
1969er> While I don't like the idea of voting only for a specific party, at this point in history, the prospect of another Republican having the opportunity to appoint 1 or 2 more conservative Supreme Court Justices (already tilted right) is a bit frightening. These are the people that have a tremendous impact on our lives for more years than any one President's term.
Bingo!
The original piece is, indeed, a political hack job:
> let's set aside your hubby's flagrant pecadillos. The real reason I will never vote for you....
So why mention all the non-reasons? Is it to smear the candidate and influence readers not to vote for this candidate for reasons that aren't relevant?
> I will NOT vote for YOU! Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.
Surely the author could have found instances where McCain has insulted his/her intelligence, ruled him out, and have been left with one or the other Democratic candidates.
> your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a "discouraging word" in the 20 years you attended there
I actually liked Obama's answer that the Reverend is from another generation who grew up in a different America.
I also like the fact that he stood up in church and castigated those criticizing ho-mo-sexuals as not being Christian.
So to judge him based on association and the "chorus" is shallow short shrift.
> I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate.
That would be a good thing. Tempting. But what about Supreme Court appointments?
And what if Obama were to select Lieberman as his VP? I'm no fan of Zbig's foreign policy. Get rid of that guy and get Joe on the ticket and I think it would be very attractive. At least to me.
On the other hand, whereas this isn't the America that Rev. Wright grew up in, and while it is politically correct to SAY that you have no problem voting for an African-American/black/colored/negro candidate (depending on the term used when one was growing up in that America), I fear that there are many people who, in the privacy of the voting booth, won't vote for a N*. Or, worse yet, will just stay home. Sure hope I'm wrong. As the author correctly says, it would say a lot about America.
I have the same fear about a woman candidate, but (right or wrong) I think more people will come out and vote for a woman (perhaps including moderate Republican women who want to see the glass ceiling shattered) than would vote for a black candidate (a minority of only ~10% rather than, like women, roughly half the population).
John43620 saidPerhaps it's his charisma but I actually like Senator Obama. With that said, it's not logical to vote for him as president. He's on his first term as a Senator and still wet behind the ears.
People who say this seem to forget there was another man from Illinois who served only two years as a U.S. Representative, who then went on to become one of the most highly regarded Presidents in history.
I think it's a spurious deflection to equate experience with qualification.
I will take someone who is fairly inexperienced, but shows clear thinking, leadership, and diplomatic skills over someone with decades of experience but who possesses an obstinate certitude in the correctness of their own opinions and policies and who displays a reckless tendency to promote U.S. imperialism.
And perchance that is why there was an included link to the exact quote?
Global_Citizen said[quote][cite]JustJohn said[/cite]Imtrying21, even Karl Rove said people will vote Republican until they get some education, then they vote Democratic.
That's not quite accurate. He said they vote Democrat if they get "too much" education, not "some" education.
The Republican Party, conservatives in general, and the church have always been anti-intellectual. They have this perception (not without merit) that the more educated and intellectual a person becomes, the more liberal they become.
The Republican Party probably wants people educated enough to work and contribute to the economy to make GDP grow, but not educated so much that they become liberals and start seriously pondering issues like universal healthcare, the environment, and minority rights.[/quote]
JustJohn saidAnd perchance that is why there was an included link to the exact quote?
Perchance you shouldn't paraphrase it incorrectly then?
I think it's very telling that Rove and other conservatives would even posit that there is such a thing as "too much education" and your paraphrasing actually mitigated that incredulous idea.
I kind of prefer that obama isn't that experienced in the US senate. He is aware of the process. I do find him somewhat disingenuous that he goes on about his voting record when he was against the war, but has voted to keep funding it in the senate. He had done a lot of work on the ground prior to being in the US senate. I do count that as experience.
I'm actually pretty conservative despite what people may think from my other posts. But reaity is that i'm for smaller government, less bureaucracy and not policing the world which are pretty conservative ideals. Since the republican party represents nothing of what it stood bye, i'm an independent. Hillary scares me, but mccain does too. They both play the political games, never really talk much of issues... the whole gas tax holiday annoyed me because they used that as another game and attacked obama for not supporting it.
bottom line of what i'm trying to say is that hillary and mccain in my view represent the republicacrats. playing games and pandering. both popular with uneducated whites playing the same old game of blaming the condition of his country on outside forces, not their lack of leadership. I dont think obama will be able to change everything, but it'd definitely be a start. he has a better tax policy, and a better outlook on foreign affairs having lived in several countries. McCain made the cheap shot of questioning what it meant that hamas approved of obamas stance and what it meant... but the senile old racist also said he would never negotiate with or want to trade with them because all they want to trade are burkas. not a very presidential thing to say in a debate.
but that's all i'll really waste on this posting. lol global_citizen already said the other stuff I thought on the matter about "experience" vs "inexperience"
I don't know how a post like this starts with the sentence
Football_loverWe all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words "money" and "special interests" come to mind, among many others.
and decides that John McCain is his man. Hey, guys who McCain picked to run the GOP convention? How about a lobbyist for the military dictatorship in Burma! Or how about his millionaire wife's refusal to release her tax returns. Or how McCain's "Straight Talk Express" is packed with lobbyists who do their lobbying while McCain campaigns.
I don't think the author knows who John McCain is.
And Joe Lieberman? The memory of the holocaust still fresh in his mind? Joe was three when WWII ended, or are we not talking about his personal memory but the collective Jew memory? The author doesn't know who Joe Lieberman is either apparently.
Well, I do strive for moderation - and I'd point out that there is a difference between paraphrasing and quoting. At least we seem to sit on the same side of the philosophical fence and have time to follow a thread.
Global_Citizen said[quote][cite]JustJohn said[/cite]And perchance that is why there was an included link to the exact quote?
Perchance you shouldn't paraphrase it incorrectly then?
I think it's very telling that Rove and other conservatives would even posit that there is such a thing as "too much education" and your paraphrasing actually mitigated that incredulous idea.[/quote]
The ultimate flaw in this person's argument for supporting McCain is that he/she sees a major problem in an association with what someone says (Obama and 20-years-ago-Wright) versus an association with what someone does (McCain and GW Bush of the last 7 years)
Global_Citizen said[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]Perhaps it's his charisma but I actually like Senator Obama. With that said, it's not logical to vote for him as president. He's on his first term as a Senator and still wet behind the ears.
People who say this seem to forget there was another man from Illinois who served only two years as a U.S. Representative, who then went on to become one of the most highly regarded Presidents in history.
I think it's a spurious deflection to equate experience with qualification.
I will take someone who is fairly inexperienced, but shows clear thinking, leadership, and diplomatic skills over someone with decades of experience but who possesses an obstinate certitude in the correctness of their own opinions and policies and who displays a reckless tendency to promote U.S. imperialism.[/quote]
And don't forget George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt.
A few months ago, someone asked for the life of them for someone to answer the very same question and I answered with two words: George Washington.
People are sooooo fickle....
After the 2006 election, I contemplated the state of the Democratic Party and thought that the only way to make major changes for the better within the party, and for the US, is to change a majority of the familiar characters that steer the party as their own. Barak Obama is the answer to that change.
I will vote for the democratic nominee because 9 times out of 10, the democratic positions on issues I care about including the environment, civil (including gay) rights, and immigration are closer to my own.
There are always exceptions (like when my favorite Supreme Court justices said governments can condemn private homes and transfer the land to a private entity), but 9 times out of 10 is good enough for me.
I like McCain's position on campaign finance reform, but not much else.
PS--I remember Colin Powell assuring me over the TV that there were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq. Of course, that was before the U.S. went to war, and found out there weren't any.
If the party affiliations were reversed, the vast majority of gays would be extolling the virtues of McCain and laughing at Obama's vacuous rhetoric. Why bother even mentioning candidates by name? It's all a red herring. By and large, gays will support any democrat and trash any republican. Debating points is a waste of time. Most gays vote democrat and are largely intolerant of anyone who doesn't. One thing we can all agree upon is men are hot.
Global_Citizen saidWhy waste RJ's bandwidth with this infantile drivel? It sounds like it was lifted from a vanity posting on Freerepublic.com.
Much of what's said either isn't true (Obama did not meet Qaddafi, in Libya or elsewhere) or is recycled rumors and fearmongering. The so-called "Clinton body count" is one of the most far fetched and ridiculous pieces of internet conspiracy theory crap ever written. It's garbage.
The writing you call "pulling no punches" I call the maladroit ramblings of some young conservative misfit with a dull intellect and the inability to make reasoned arguments, and so resorts to personal vituperation and gratuitous assumptions.
There's nothing noteworthy about this. If this were written as part a college Political Science assignment, it would get a grade of D or C at best.
This what I have found....Just leaves me with more questions about Obama than i started with....
Rev. Wright's"as well as Obama's"connection with Louis Farrakhan came up during the February 27, 2008, Democratic presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio, broadcast on MSNBC. Moderator Tim Russert asked Sen. Obama about the February 24, 2008, endorsement by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.
SEN. OBAMA: You know, I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments. I think that they are unacceptable and reprehensible. I did not solicit this support. He expressed pride in an African-American who seems to be bringing the country together. I obviously can't censor him, but it is not support that I sought. And we're not doing anything, I assure you, formally or informally with Minister Farrakhan.
MR. RUSSERT: Do you reject his support?
SEN. OBAMA: Well, Tim, you know, I can't say to somebody that he can't say that he thinks I'm a good guy. (Laughter.) You know, I -- you know, I -- I have been very clear in my denunciations of him and his past statements, and I think that indicates to the American people what my stance is on those comments.
MR. RUSSERT: The problem some voters may have is, as you know, Reverend Farrakhan called Judaism "gutter religion." posted 05/05/2008 at 02:14:36
He will denunce him one minute then, pretty dance around and not say if he would except his suport? He truely is a congressman, says what he needs to get the votes, then back paddle about the support....
Of course I could not being reading between the lines of a man that will not be sworn in on the bible in the senate but instead used the Koran.
Clintons Body count...were here is the list.. PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE... A number of people connected to Bill Clinton have turned up dead.
James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?
Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The Botched Ron Brown Investigation An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski by Wesley Phelan Vince Foster - Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera
Was this just a robbery gone bad? - See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999
C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.
Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
Florence Martin - Accountant - Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.
Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.
Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.
Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansa
[quote][cite]Football_lover said[/cite][quote][cite]the rest of the list...that does not exist....
Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.
Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.
Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation. Controversal case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths - plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE: Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988
Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD Major William S. Barkley Jr. Captain Scott J. Reynolds Sgt. Brian Hanley Sgt. Tim Sabel Major General William Robertson Col. William Densberger Col. Robert Kelly Spec. Gary Rhodes Steve Willis Robert Williams Conway LeBleu Todd McKeehan
I will say I could be wrong... They could have just all died that way with nothing to do with the Clintons... But it does make you wonder.... And Obama could be a wonderful president. I mean all his votes in the senate have been present. Not Yes or No, just here and not going to tell you how I feel about this... Ms Clinton she votes for what she believes in... We can see how she will vote and what she is for...
How will he vote???? As President, he can't vote present..he will have to make that choice... Can we live with them??????
Football_lover saidI mean all his votes in the senate have been present. Not Yes or No, just here and not going to tell you how I feel about this... Ms Clinton she votes for what she believes in... We can see how she will vote and what she is for...
All his votes? Why don't you google that to verify his protest votes while in the Illinois Senate, not the US Senate.
[quote][cite]Football_lover said[/cite]I mean all his votes in the senate have been present. Not Yes or No, just here and not going to tell you how I feel about this... Ms Clinton she votes for what she believes in... We can see how she will vote and what she is for...
All his votes? Why don't you google that to verify his protest votes while in the Illinois Senate, not the US Senate.
Are you sure you didn't write the above article?[/quote]
I meant in the US seante only.. I know his record in Illinois and it did not impress me...
No I did not write the article, if I had it would have had more facts to back up everything stated... Instead I am providing that information that people can't seem to look up... Like you do using google...
Bush = The very best example of how an American president can do everything possible to represent the interests of big business, and any other agenda but, and over the interests of Americans, and America as a nation. It would be hard for any future president to ever beat his record of being completely on the wrong side of every issue where the American publics interests and those of our world are concerned. The facts of this are being laid out for us daily, and anyone who cannot see how totally wrong for America the bush administration has been, is willfully ignorant at the very least !!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So a simple response and the most fitting I think to the original totally illogical post is >>>>>>>A VOTE FOR McCain IS A VOTE FOR MORE OF BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore whoever the opponent is gets my vote !!!!
realifedad said Bush = The very best example of how an American president can do everything possible to represent the interests of big business, and any other agenda but, and over the interests of Americans, and America as a nation. It would be hard for any future president to ever beat his record of being completely on the wrong side of every issue where the American publics interests and those of our world are concerned. The facts of this are being laid out for us daily, and anyone who cannot see how totally wrong for America the bush administration has been, is willfully ignorance at the very least !!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So a simple response and the most fitting I think to the original post is >>>>>>>A VOTE FOR McCain IS A VOTE FOR MORE OF BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore whoever the opponent is gets my vote !!!!
So Abraham Lincoln was like Bush? Clinton was like Franklin D. Roosevelt? So a vote Obama is a vote for Roosevelt and Clinton... And a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush and Abraham Lincoln? Sorry your logic does not make sense.. I know Bush trashed our country and sold us out.. But that means any Republican canidate is Bush? To put Bushes mistakes on the heads of every Repulican It does not make sense... Not to think each President will do what is right for the country but what is right for George W Bush is crazy just because they are the same party...
The top 1% of extremely wealthy owners of large corporations, hoping to continue the corporate tax breaks, no-bid contracts, etc., granted under Bush.
OR
They are uneducated idiots who don't understand that they are being fed propaganda by the right-wing corporate controlled media.
So if you are voting for McSame, which one are you? I'm pretty sure you're not in the top 1% of wealthy Americans, so i guess you're just stupid. The truth hurts.
Who the fuck cares about Obama's reverend or a lapel pin??? HELLO? You are so easily distracted from the real issues...the ecomony, health insurance, Iraq, gas, jobs...If you want to get technical, McCain supported a homophobic preacher, as was mentioned above. Hypocrisy at its best.
Before the Bush admin., we had the Clintons. We had a prosperous economy, no deficit (we had a surplus!), no major wars (foreign governments loved Clinton), everyone had jobs, and everyone was happy as pie! I would love to go back to that prosperous time. It seems that Obama will be the Dem. nominee, as Hillary Clinton doesn't seem to have enough delegates now. Voting will always be about picking the lesser of two evils, but McCain is truly evil, and would have us in Iraq for 100 years if he has his way.
I'll make it easy for you: McCain: Darth Vader Obama: Luke Skywalker
In the Bush admin’s 8 years, they have turned the surplus into deficit, overextended our military in an unnecessary occupation, ruined America’s good name, destroyed the middle class, and if something isn’t done, a worldwide economic crisis.
Iraq is the main cause of our current recession, in case you haven’t been paying attention (along with greedy lenders and naive borrowers). This corrupt Bush admin. has stolen the taxpayer’s money and given it to Haliburton. They love war-it makes them money.
The GOP is afraid of Obama. Why? Because he represents REAL change for good. The GOP as a party is not loyal to the Bill of Rights, or Constitution, they are not loyal to the ideas of democracy. The GOP is the party of perks, and special privileges, and special interests, and they consider democracy and its laws to be impediments to their agenda of militarism, sexism, racism, violence, and greed.
I will fully support Obama. I hope that you all do your homework and that you will vote for him too. Vote democratic in 2008!
Football_lover said[quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Bush = The very best example of how an American president can do everything possible to represent the interests of big business, and any other agenda but, and over the interests of Americans, and America as a nation. It would be hard for any future president to ever beat his record of being completely on the wrong side of every issue where the American publics interests and those of our world are concerned. The facts of this are being laid out for us daily, and anyone who cannot see how totally wrong for America the bush administration has been, is willfully ignorance at the very least !!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So a simple response and the most fitting I think to the original post is >>>>>>>A VOTE FOR McCain IS A VOTE FOR MORE OF BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore whoever the opponent is gets my vote !!!!
Really so McCain has people putting money in his pockets like Bush does?
ImTrying21 saidSometimes I wonder what it feels like to want to vote for a
quite possibly senile
flip-flopping on positions held less than eight years ago
man who hires the man who flooded the south with rumors that he had a black illegitimate baby as his campaign advisor,
and who waited decades to apologize for voting against MLK Day (who votes against MLK Day?,
a republican who'll continue the grand tradition of yelling individual rights, state's rights, while expanding the government, absorbing the 4th estate, continuing corporate welfare,
and galvanize around the world to continue the new tradition of war privatization so his friends can continue expanding the government in the name of security when some foreign enemies hit back.
It must feel pretty good, feeling content while you vote your country into a downward spiral. (sociopath)Well, I guess the corporate think tanks have done their job placing "intellectuals" and "teachers" all over the country to revise history and make up bullshit so we can all vote against our interests. Bravo.
Football_lover said[quote][cite]Football_lover said[/cite][quote][cite]realifedad said[/cite] Bush = The very best example of how an American president can do everything possible to represent the interests of big business, and any other agenda but, and over the interests of Americans, and America as a nation. It would be hard for any future president to ever beat his record of being completely on the wrong side of every issue where the American publics interests and those of our world are concerned. The facts of this are being laid out for us daily, and anyone who cannot see how totally wrong for America the bush administration has been, is willfully ignorance at the very least !!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So a simple response and the most fitting I think to the original post is >>>>>>>A VOTE FOR McCain IS A VOTE FOR MORE OF BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore whoever the opponent is gets my vote !!!!
So Abraham Lincoln was like Bush? Clinton was like Franklin D. Roosevelt? So a vote Obama is a vote for Roosevelt and Clinton... And a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush and Abraham Lincoln? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said a vote for McCain is a vote for bush, not that a vote for any republican is a vote for bush !!!! If you have any analitical abilities at all, you cannot deduct any other but the opinion that a vote for McCain is a vote for more of bush. READ HIS STATEMENTS OF POLICY, and HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT WAR !!! HE IS NOTHING BUT A COPY OF BUSH !!!!! PLEASE DO MORE READING BEFORE YOU RESPOND MORE, BECAUSE YOUR EMBARASSING YOURSELF, WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT !!! Sorry your logic does not make sense.. I know Bush trashed our country and sold us out.. But that means any Republican canidate is Bush? To put Bushes mistakes on the heads of every Repulican It does not make sense... Not to think each President will do what is right for the country but what is right for George W Bush is crazy just because they are the same party...[/quote]
We might as well go to the police stations now, because one gay man raped a small boy, so we must have all raped young boys because we are Gay.... Or so your Logic inplies...[/quote]
xbuffed saidThose who would vote for McSame are either...
The top 1% of extremely wealthy owners of large corporations, hoping to continue the corporate tax breaks, no-bid contracts, etc., granted under Bush.
OR
They are uneducated idiots who don't understand that they are being fed propaganda by the right-wing corporate controlled media.
So if you are voting for McSame, which one are you? I'm pretty sure you're not in the top 1% of wealthy Americans, so i guess you're just stupid. The truth hurts.
Who the fuck cares about Obama's reverend or a lapel pin??? HELLO? You are so easily distracted from the real issues...the ecomony, health insurance, Iraq, gas, jobs...If you want to get technical, McCain supported a homophobic preacher, as was mentioned above. Hypocrisy at its best.
Before the Bush admin., we had the Clintons. We had a prosperous economy, no deficit (we had a surplus!), no major wars (foreign governments loved Clinton), everyone had jobs, and everyone was happy as pie! I would love to go back to that prosperous time. It seems that Obama will be the Dem. nominee, as Hillary Clinton doesn't seem to have enough delegates now. Voting will always be about picking the lesser of two evils, but McCain is truly evil, and would have us in Iraq for 100 years if he has his way.
I'll make it easy for you: McCain: Darth Vader Obama: Luke Skywalker
In the Bush admin’s 8 years, they have turned the surplus into deficit, overextended our military in an unnecessary occupation, ruined America’s good name, destroyed the middle class, and if something isn’t done, a worldwide economic crisis.
Iraq is the main cause of our current recession, in case you haven’t been paying attention (along with greedy lenders and naive borrowers). This corrupt Bush admin. has stolen the taxpayer’s money and given it to Haliburton. They love war-it makes them money.
The GOP is afraid of Obama. Why? Because he represents REAL change for good. The GOP as a party is not loyal to the Bill of Rights, or Constitution, they are not loyal to the ideas of democracy. The GOP is the party of perks, and special privileges, and special interests, and they consider democracy and its laws to be impediments to their agenda of militarism, sexism, racism, violence, and greed.
I will fully support Obama. I hope that you all do your homework and that you will vote for him too. Vote democratic in 2008!
Obama has a plan to tackle price gouging, tax windfall profits, invest in alternative energy and give a $1000 tax cut to "working families." But Obama's ad manages to squeeze in some misrepresentation and pandering of its own all while falsely implying that his plan is significantly different from Clinton’s.
The biggest distortion in Obama’s ad is his pledge to “give working families a permanent $1,000 tax cut to help with rising costs” of gas. It’s true that Obama is offering to offset payroll taxes on the first $8,100 of each family’s income. That credit could be worth as much as $1,000 per family. But Obama is wrong to imply that this cut is designed specifically to “help with rising costs” of energy. The proposal is part of a tax plan that Obama unveiled in September 2007. In fact, because Obama is proposing a tax credit, Americans wouldn’t see any money until they file their 2008 taxes – something that won’t happen until January 2009. "Obama has committed to pay for anything he proposes in the campaign," said Austan Goolsbee, Obama's top economics adviser.
Goolsbee cited a list of revenue-generating and spending-cut measures that Obama supports. Among them: drawing down the war, letting tax cuts expire for high-income households, closing corporate loopholes and cracking down on tax havens.
"Qualitatively they may be right - but quantitatively, I don't know how they get the numbers," said Roberton Williams, principal research associate at the Tax Policy Center and the former deputy assistant director for tax analysis at the CBO.
For example, how much revenue would be generated by Obama's plan to close corporate loopholes? Until the ink dries on any final measure approved by Congress, said Williams, "you can claim any number you want, but it's totally unproveable." This is just one article... There are more out there that prove it does not add up..Because you can't add it up...
READ HIS STATEMENTS OF POLICY, and HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT WAR !!! HE IS NOTHING BUT A COPY OF BUSH !!!!! PLEASE DO MORE READING BEFORE YOU RESPOND MORE, BECAUSE YOUR EMBARASSING YOURSELF, WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT !!!
Which one did you want me to re-read?
John McCain believes that a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" must remain ever faithful to that noble charge. America needs leadership devoted to the public interest, not the special interest, and a government that fulfills its duties with unfailing integrity, accountability, and common sense. Those who serve in positions of public trust have a patriotic duty to serve the national interest with integrity and accountability, to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the people we are privileged to serve, and to devote ourselves to America's agenda, not that of narrow special interests. WAIT NO SPEICAL INTEREST, NOW THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE BUSH..... So what parts are you refering to, I am not embassed for me just for you, thinking they are the same...
John McCain gets my vote as well. Good man, and great American. I don't care what party he belongs to. He's not a left-wing liberal who wants to expand the federal government beyond its already bursting size.
Glad you asked, Football lover! STONECOLDFOXBOY, you should read this too. You are only 22, and you have also been brainwashed by the media, and you need to do your homework...dont depend on FOX or NBC for the truth!
I would happy to supply you with some reliable, unbiased, progressive sources, which you won't get in the redneck riviera It isn't easy to find, since our media is so right-wing corporate controlled. Listen for at least a month:
TV:
AVOID FOX! TRY CNN International, the most unbiased, or BBC.
xbuffed saidGlad you asked, Football lover! STONECOLDFOXBOY, you should read this too. You are only 22, and you have also been brainwashed by the media, and you need to do your homework...dont depend on FOX or NBC for the truth!
Why is it that so many times a lib uses the argument that people who support a Republican candidate are just "brainwashed by the media"? Maybe we just have a different opinion - period. At your seasoned age of 31, you think STONECOLDFOXBOY is too young to know any better? Again, maybe he just has a different opinion -- his own opinion -- as do many Americans. The Dems are out there trying to "brainwash" everyone that Bush is the Anti-christ or something but, thankfully, most Americans are smarter than that, they see through the rhetoric, and I suspect some surprises may be in store come November.
CuriousJockAZ said[i][quote][cite] The Dems are out there trying to "brainwash" everyone that Bush is the Anti-christ or something but, thankfully, most Americans are smarter than that, they see through the rhetoric, and I suspect some surprises may be in store come November.
There isn't any need to brainwash anyone. I think any competent, atuned person need look around at the state of this country and our place in the world would realize this country needs to go in a different direction......not a 3rd Bush term...
Well, dispite some other persons stupidity on the subject, I'm still voting for Hilary. I don't need to justified and manipulated in and by the medias to feel I'm making a sound dicision. Hell, even if Obama wins the Democratic Nomination I'm still going to put Hilary in the space where you can vote someone in even if they didn't make the nomination. Thanks for the read though. It's always a relief to know that I can read something as well written as that and not get pulled in too deep.
HndsmKansan said[quote][cite]CuriousJockAZ said[/cite][i][quote][cite] The Dems are out there trying to "brainwash" everyone that Bush is the Anti-christ or something but, thankfully, most Americans are smarter than that, they see through the rhetoric, and I suspect some surprises may be in store come November.
There isn't any need to brainwash anyone. I think any competent, atuned person need look around at the state of this country and our place in the world would realize this country needs to go in a different direction......not a 3rd Bush term...
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Guess I'm just a naive blind idiot, cuz when I look around this country I see all sorts of people doing quite well actually. Sure, there are lots of problems too --- when aren't there challenges and problems we've had to deal with regardless of who's the president? People who truly believe that America is going to hell in a hand-basket, in my opinion, are the one's who have been brainwashed.
Guess I'm just a naive blind idiot, cuz when I look around this country I see all sorts of people doing quite well actually. Sure, there are lots of problems too --- when aren't there challenges and problems we've had to deal with regardless of who's the president? People who truly believe that America is going to hell in a hand-basket, in my opinion, are the one's who have been brainwashed.
CuriousJock... first nobody said you were a naive, blind individual....just, well.. misplaced... Maybe some discussion in a room with you could straighten you out...LOL
Regarding your last statement, I don't listen to pundits on TV, I look at facts. I think for myself. I'm talking about actions, or lack of them that this President took while in office and the results. I'm not looking soley at "how things are".....
Not sure if you could "straighten" me out, but I'll let ya give it the good old college try :-)
As for President Bush, you're entitled to your opinion, but the reality is that not everybody believes that the decisions he's made or actions he's taken were necessarily wrong, or that that the results were necessarily his fault.
CuriousJockAZ saidbut the reality is that not everybody believes that the decisions he's made or actions he's taken were necessarily wrong, or that that the results were necessarily his fault.
Yes its kind of tragic. There are some people that just don't acknowledge facts.
tax cuts for rich and corporations, corporate welfare, national debt 9.4 trillion dollars despite of a 10 year budget surplus when he took office, some crazy figure of 80,000 jobs lost in march, pretty sure he's the first president in awhile to see two recessions on his watch... oh sorry we're not in a recession its an "economic slow down" .... thousands killed, many more wounded and coming back to hospitals that aren't funded properly, assuming their insurance covers everything.... education is a joke, more students going into debt because he cut financial aid programs.... uh i know i'm missing something but you get the point...
CuriousJockThe Dems are out there trying to "brainwash" everyone that Bush is the Anti-christ or something but, thankfully, most Americans are smarter than that, they see through the rhetoric, and I suspect some surprises may be in store come November.
Huh? From Ramussen:
"For the week ending May 9, just 32% of Americans approved of the way the George W. Bush performed his role as President. That’s down two percentage points from last week and the lowest level ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports. The decline in the President’s ratings come as the Rasmussen Consumer Index also hovers around record lows—72% of Americans believe that economic conditions are getting worse.
Sixty-five percent (65%) disapprove of the President’s Performance, up two points from a week ago.
The weekly figures include 13% who Strongly Approve and 47% who Strongly Disapprove. "
In other polls, his approval rating is as low as 27 percent. I would agree that the American people are smarter than our average out-of-touch media pundit, but it's certainly not because they approve of Bush.
To football_lover: I will make only one more reply to you on this subject because I think it's incredibly foolish of you to put any credence in the ridiculous internet rumors and conspiracy that you're posting here.
Regarding the so-called Clinton body count, we've all seen this. Most rational adults who aren't credulous enough to believe everything we read on right-wing extremist websites would dismiss this as the work of a crackpot with an axe to grind. Most of us can see that many of these deaths attributed sinisterly to the Clintons are very tangential to the Clintons at best.
Many of them are just plain wrong, and I'll attest to that because I knew one of the people on that list!
The last person on that list, Todd McKeehan, was an acquaintance of mine. My family and his family went to church together for many years. Todd McKeehan was not a Clinton bodyguard. He was one of the members of the SWAT team that raided the Branch Davidian house in Waco Texas in 1993. (Other anti-Clinton conspiracy mongering says Todd was shot in the left temple, execution style. But the fact is, he was not shot in the head at all. He was shot through the chest and died of a severed aorta.)
If the "Clinton body count" list got this fact wrong, how many other citations are wrong, but nonetheless continue to be circulated by people like you who believe it because it's what you want to believe?
Don't be one of those fools who perpetuates bad internet rubbish.
Do yourself a favor and look at both sides of any highly partisan polemics you find on the internet. I think you'll find there are many half truths and a lot of far fetched reaching behind things like the "Clinton body count".
By the way, there is also a "Bush body count". Maybe you should check it out and see if you believe it without skepticism, or if you start discounting most of it. That would be an interesting exercise.
