Letter from Savings.com, employer of 100, to California explaining why they are moving out of state

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    Sep 11, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    Just remember that these are the sorts of companies that some here claim will not leave if taxes or regulations rise. Everyone has a breaking point before they leave or go Galt.

    http://www.savings.com/blog/post/Our-Dear-John-Letter-to-the-State-of-California.html

    Our "Dear John" Letter to the State of California

    Dear California,

    We're terribly sorry to have to do this but we're no longer a good match for each other. And trust us when we say it's you, not us...we just can't afford you anymore.
    Ever since you and your new BFF--the Affiliate Nexus Tax--started hanging out, people just don't want to do as much business with us anymore. Sure, we know it seems only fair that online retailers without a physical presence in California should have to collect sales taxes from their customers just like everyone else. The problem is, until every other state--or the federal government--feels the same way, companies like Amazon.com, Overstock and others have decided that it's not worth working with us (or 25,000 other California-based businesses) anymore. Apparently, in your eyes, our affiliate relationship makes them liable for collecting taxes. They've decided it makes better sense to just work with affiliates beyond your, admittedly still picturesque, borders.

    We know this letter might come as a bit of a shock--especially because things had been going so well between us. Last year alone we helped drive $400 million in sales and we've doubled the number of California jobs we provide year-after-year. And people started to notice: the LA Business Journal named us a "Best Place to Work in Los Angeles" and then Inc. Magazine just named us one of the "500 Fastest Growing Companies in 2011." So what went wrong?

    Well, you're a Pisces, we're a Gemini. And maybe we're just being sensitive--like the time we asked you what color our eyes were and you said "white"--but we can either stick with you and try to weather the loss in revenue during these already fragile times, or we can start considering some of the offers from the other states that changed their feelings about affiliate companies like us. Sure, we'd miss you (you are still gorgeous after all) but maybe some clean Rocky Mountain air, or the sound of crashing surf on The North Shore, would be refreshing. Don't worry, you could keep the futon, VCR player and Charoodles--but our 100+ employees and the state income taxes they pay each year would be coming along with us.

    Now, please, don't be bitter. We'd still want to be friends of a friend, even if we were, like, totally on opposite coasts. We had some good times, or so we think (FYI, we don't even care about the Napa Zinfandel you spilled on our throw pillow anymore). Hopefully you feel the same way. So, if you're still interested in us, here's a good place to go for information on how we might able to work things out: getbackinbusiness.org.

    In the meantime, take care of yourself--and don't forget to water the ficus.

    All the best,
    Savings.com

    P.S. Our friend the LA Times told us that Amazon says they're not even going to pay the sales taxes you say they owe icon_sad.gif

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    Sep 11, 2011 7:19 PM GMT
    jprichva saidYour agenda is always so transparent.

    Calfiornia is trying to patch a huge budget hole caused by Republicans. People like you will go to any lengths to see that they can't do that, to force them into the only remaining path open to them, which is to further slash social spending.

    If you were American, you'd be a traitor. But since you're not, you're just a foreign agent provocateur, and frankly you ought to be dealt with by firing squad. Your obvious intent is to subvert the United States. You should be treated like any enemy agent.

    You are so wrong, thinking Prop 13, not the Democratic spending is at the root of our problems. You think we should pay higher taxes to cover the spending binge. In the past, I posted links to show how high our taxes - state income, sales, property - compare to other states. We are among the highest already, but that is not enough to cover drunken binge spending.
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    Sep 11, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    jprichva saidYour agenda is always so transparent.

    Calfiornia is trying to patch a huge budget hole caused by Republicans. People like you will go to any lengths to see that they can't do that, to force them into the only remaining path open to them, which is to further slash social spending.

    If you were American, you'd be a traitor. But since you're not, you're just a foreign agent provocateur, and frankly you ought to be dealt with by firing squad. Your obvious intent is to subvert the United States. You should be treated like any enemy agent.


    I am all for freedom of speech, but we all know what a Firing squad means. Supporting or condoning violence on other RJ members should be frowned upon.
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    Sep 11, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    socalfitness said
    jprichva saidYour agenda is always so transparent.

    Calfiornia is trying to patch a huge budget hole caused by Republicans. People like you will go to any lengths to see that they can't do that, to force them into the only remaining path open to them, which is to further slash social spending.

    If you were American, you'd be a traitor. But since you're not, you're just a foreign agent provocateur, and frankly you ought to be dealt with by firing squad. Your obvious intent is to subvert the United States. You should be treated like any enemy agent.

    You are so wrong, thinking Prop 13, not the Democratic spending is at the root of our problems. You think we should pay higher taxes to cover the spending binge. In the past, I posted links to show how high our taxes - state income, sales, property - compare to other states. We are among the highest already, but that is not enough to cover drunken binge spending.

    You misapprehend me. Prop 13 is the culprit, but not because of the property tax cap. It's the 2/3 supermajority for raising taxes that has turned California into a mess.

    It's the same point, however. Our total taxes compared to other states are quite high. Fault still is and has been the out-of-control spending. Our beloved public employee unions also in play.
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    Sep 11, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    do more reading than posting. I think that comment about a "firing squad" deserves a moderator intervention.

    Its clear some are not interested in commentary or debate. More bullying and violent talk.
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    Sep 11, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    musclmed saiddo more reading than posting. I think that comment about a "firing squad" deserves a moderator intervention.

    Its clear some are not interested in commentary or debate. More bullying and violent talk.


    It doesn't surprise me that in the absence of good ideas, that the idiots of the world resort to violence - jprichva of course being just the latest example of this.

    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically - meanwhile, with his facile and apparently dated knowledge of finance, the policies he advocates would make it weaker. Whether these ideas are borne of ignorance or stupidity doesn't really matter... though the fact he would advocate violence as an appropriate response to ideas suggests it's probably the latter.
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    Sep 11, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    musclmed saiddo more reading than posting. I think that comment about a "firing squad" deserves a moderator intervention.

    Its clear some are not interested in commentary or debate. More bullying and violent
    talk.

    Have another helping of sanctimony. No, really, I insist. I'll just wind up throwing it out if you don't eat it.


    That's a rather shiny but small glass house you're living in.
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    Sep 11, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
    riddler78 said


    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically -
    Thats the best part.. it show vividly what you're about.
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    Sep 11, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidIllinois, California... Their collapse is coming soon. It's already happened in upstate New York.

    Add Fla.
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    Sep 11, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said


    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically -
    Thats the best part.. it show vividly what you're about.


    Sorry, are you saying you don't? That would explain a number of your views if that's the case.
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    Sep 12, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically -
    Thats the best part.. it show vividly what you're about.

    Sorry, are you saying you don't? That would explain a number of your views if that's the case.

    No, what Mark is saying is that you are a soulless, mercenary weasel without much going on between your ears.


    Oh the irony. Still struggling to maintain some relevance I see. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 12, 2011 1:17 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    jprichva said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically -
    Thats the best part.. it show vividly what you're about.

    Sorry, are you saying you don't? That would explain a number of your views if that's the case.

    No, what Mark is saying is that you are a soulless, mercenary weasel without much going on between your ears.


    Oh the irony. Still struggling to maintain some relevance I see. icon_rolleyes.gif
    No need to. truth is truth. Sorry it bothers you so much.
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    Sep 12, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    jprichva saidYour agenda is always so transparent.

    Calfiornia is trying to patch a huge budget hole caused by Republicans.


    In Taxafornia?

    Stock market heyday ended 12 years ago. They *have* to cut back on spending.

    Tax and Spend Liberals/Socialist/Democrats would really like to increase the size of Kleptofornia's government. Unfortunately, it has an unfortunate side effect of increasing the burden on those trying to stay in their houses and provide for their families.

    After all, why did South Carolina get the new Boeing plant?


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    Sep 12, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
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    RobertF64 saidTax and Spend Liberals/Socialist/Democrats

    Sorry, I don't answer questions with Republican ZombieTalk in them.


    Don't care.

    Explain how cutting spending Won't put California back into the black.

    I see a company that's facing an increase in their accounting staff to deal with all the paperwork. They figure there's a better way to do business.

    I had this conversation three times today "why did you leave California?"

    Couldn't afford to stay.





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    Sep 12, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    jprichva said
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    jprichva said


    Go fuck yourself.


    So you don't have answers either?

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    Sep 12, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    jprichva saidI am always up for a serious debate.


    Lol. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 12, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    musclmed saiddo more reading than posting. I think that comment about a "firing squad" deserves a moderator intervention.

    Its clear some are not interested in commentary or debate. More bullying and violent talk.


    It doesn't surprise me that in the absence of good ideas, that the idiots of the world resort to violence - jprichva of course being just the latest example of this.

    The irony is that it's in my financial interest to ensure the US rebounds economically - meanwhile, with his facile and apparently dated knowledge of finance, the policies he advocates would make it weaker. Whether these ideas are borne of ignorance or stupidity doesn't really matter... though the fact he would advocate violence as an appropriate response to ideas suggests it's probably the latter.


    Good old jp is one of sevevral hard core socialists on RJ. My opinion is he gets somethng terribly important out of spend-thrift government. Something that he would perhaps kill for or invoke others to kill in his behalf.

    I do not think his beliefs are borne of ignorance. I would say they are born of malice with intent and perhaps envy from many years ago. Like all socialists throughout history, ultimately they will consider violence as a plausible solution to enforce political will.
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    Sep 12, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    riddler78 said
    jprichva saidI am always up for a serious debate.


    Lol. icon_rolleyes.gif

    LOL yourself, idiot. The reason I don't engage with you is exactly the same one. You don't talk, you parrot zombiespeak. I'd discuss things with you too, but you're incapable of stepping out of your rigid ideological box.


    Lol. Right... and yet you repeatedly show that you have a similar level of reasoning of any inanimate object and attempt to brag about it - particularly with respect to your rather dated, archaic view of the world and your self proclaimed "understanding" of finance or economics. But I understand why that might bother you... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
    jprichva saidicon_evil.gif
    riddler78 said
    jprichva said
    riddler78 said
    jprichva saidI am always up for a serious debate.


    Lol. icon_rolleyes.gif

    LOL yourself, idiot. The reason I don't engage with you is exactly the same one. You don't talk, you parrot zombiespeak. I'd discuss things with you too, but you're incapable of stepping out of your rigid ideological box.


    Lol. Right... and yet you repeatedly show that you have a similar level of reasoning of any inanimate object and attempt to brag about it - particularly with respect to your rather dated, archaic view of the world and your self proclaimed "understanding" of finance or economics. But I understand why that might bother you... icon_rolleyes.gif

    You haven't worked a day in your lazy life. Shut up already. You couldn't possibly be any more of a buffoon. Are you seriously trying for the Guinness Book?

    Congratulations, by the way. You are now only the third person ever that I've blocked


    Probably worked far harder than you have - and actually, I could apparently be more of a buffoon. I could be more like you. icon_wink.gif As for whomever you blocked, it's ironic you feel the need to self validate and tell me that icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -
    Dont make me laugh any harder.. You weren't even born when I entered the military..
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    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -
    Dont make me laugh any harder.. You weren't even born when I entered the military..


    Not sure what your point is or how those two points are linked. icon_wink.gif
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    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -
    Dont make me laugh any harder.. You weren't even born when I entered the military..


    Not sure what your point is or how those two points are linked. icon_wink.gif
    Thats because you arent old enough, wise enough or smart enough.
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    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said
    TropicalMark said
    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -
    Dont make me laugh any harder.. You weren't even born when I entered the military..


    Not sure what your point is or how those two points are linked. icon_wink.gif
    Thats because you arent old enough, wise enough or smart enough.


    Let's take it a bit slower for you. Not sure if you require reading glasses then in your age addled years, but that original point wasn't addressing you. I have no idea how hard you've worked nor do I particularly care - nor does it really matter to me when you joined the military.
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    Sep 12, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    riddler78 said I have no idea how hard you've worked nor do I particularly care -
    Really????

    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -
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    riddler78 said I have no idea how hard you've worked nor do I particularly care -
    Really????

    riddler78 said

    Probably worked far harder than you have -


    Um did you miss the part where that wasn't a response to you? And in fact it was a response to the comment from another who said: "You haven't worked a day in your lazy life. Shut up already." ?