Westboro Baptist Church.... WTF!?

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    May 13, 2008 6:24 AM GMT
    icon_mad.gif I wonder where some people get the nerve. These "chosen elect" are supposedly protesting where I work on sunday ('where' being a military base.) For those not in the know, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is a fundamentalist offshoot of a traditional baptist church that believes that God is punishing America for allowing homosexuals, Jews, Catholics, Europeans, Mexicans, and whatever they are currently ticked-off at, to exist. Now, I'm all for freedom of speech. I might not like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it. What really puts my panties in a bunch is when they started to protest at military funerals. I mean, seriously. What the frack!? Do they have nothing better to do then pour salt in the grieving family members' wounds, whose sons or daughters gave their lives defending the very ideals of this country. icon_mad.gif It seriously ticks me off. What are your guy's thoughts on this?
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    May 13, 2008 6:38 AM GMT
    deviledhotdog saidicon_mad.gif I wonder where some people get the nerve. These "chosen elect" are supposedly protesting where I work on sunday ('where' being a military base.) For those not in the know, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is a fundamentalist offshoot of a traditional baptist church that believes that God is punishing America for allowing homosexuals, Jews, Catholics, Europeans, Mexicans, and whatever they are currently ticked-off at, to exist. Now, I'm all for freedom of speech. I might not like what you have to say, but I'll defend your right to say it. What really puts my panties in a bunch is when they started to protest at military funerals. I mean, seriously. What the frack!? Do they have nothing better to do then pour salt in the grieving family members' wounds, whose sons or daughters gave their lives defending the very ideals of this country. icon_mad.gif It seriously ticks me off. What are your guy's thoughts on this?


    These people are serious "whack jobs" and need to be on better meds. I understand and agree with your moral outrage....these are also the same nuts that protested at Matthew Shepherd's furneral, and Barry Winchell's funeral and any number of military funerals. At what point does their right and freedom of expression become an intrusion into my and your privacy or just an obscenity?
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    May 13, 2008 7:21 AM GMT
    Fred Phelps has a right as an American to free speech. I applaud his efforts. Few people have so single-handedly advanced the cause of gays than him.

    With him in the mix, always poisoning, always challenging, WE become smarter, stronger, more unified.

    They often say of people who've died for a cause: they were martyrs. Fred is elevating anyone who's ever died gay to martyrdom. This is the opposite of his intent.

    I believe the day will come when America truly loves gays, and will muffle Fred with indifference. He will die lonely and afraid, a failure.
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    May 13, 2008 10:40 AM GMT
    I agree that whether we like his message or not, he does have the right to say what he likes. I think the tactics his group uses only serves to highlight his particular flavor of fanaticism. Citizens in the mainstream who may be indifferent to gay causes but are for obvious reasons reasonably patriotic are insulted by his protests at the funerals of American soldiers and this serves to keep him on the radical fringe of the religious mainstream. The only part that chaps my buns is that his Westboro 'Baptist' Church is marring the image of the church as God intends it to be. God's people are not intended to be intolerant hate-filled bigots and his actions detract from the real purpose. If he's hurting anyone/anything its the religious segment of society.

    Interesting perspective though on how he is actually advances gay causes, I hadn't thought about it that way before...
  • realfoodie

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    May 13, 2008 11:00 AM GMT
    I saw this BBC documentary that mentioned these people just a few days ago! The one thing that really gets to me isn't that Phelp's believers are total morons, but they have so many children. And these children are brainwashed with their ideas and never know any better, nor do they want to. Made me so sad to see their kids at the pickets, saying no to fags and dykes without even knowing what these words mean.

    Freedom of speech and rallying a cause or creating a reaction might be great, but in situations like these, the price is pretty hefty.
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    May 13, 2008 2:04 PM GMT
    I used to try and contact the families for the funerals they were going to protest at and warn them.

    i disdainfully look at this group and just think of how nice it would be to have population control. just put them on an isolated island or just do away with them, sure its not the most practical, or logical thing, but it would be solving the problem to some degree.

    i hate the stupid signs too, and i even went to their website or something and watched their little videos they have about different topics. Its rather sad, but while they're wasting their time with all that, we have more important things to do.
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    Jan 11, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
    realfoodie saidI saw this BBC documentary that mentioned these people just a few days ago! The one thing that really gets to me isn't that Phelp's believers are total morons, but they have so many children. And these children are brainwashed with their ideas and never know any better, nor do they want to. Made me so sad to see their kids at the pickets, saying no to fags and dykes without even knowing what these words mean.

    Freedom of speech and rallying a cause or creating a reaction might be great, but in situations like these, the price is pretty hefty.


    Well said, mate! As an American (Texan), I'm embarrassed (indeed, ashamed) the WBC lunatics are from Kansas! I'm a VERY staunch & strident upholder of 1st Amendment values & rights, but the brainwashing of the kids does nonetheless indeed border on child abuse. It's a conundrum, however, as I sure hell don't want federal mafia goons presuming to "police" this (as in **police state**)---so what is one to do?! Work toward tolerance and understanding and hope that these kids (as many of 'em as possible) can manage to "bootstrap" their way out of such vile, ingrained bigotry!
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:01 AM GMT
    11 of the children in that family are lawyers and the Phelps' law firm is still up and running despite Fred Phelps not being able to practice law anymore. I bet you anything they make a couple coins off of egging people to attack them and then suing them.

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    Jan 11, 2011 8:17 AM GMT
    shaag382 said11 of the children in that family are lawyers and the Phelps' law firm is still up and running despite Fred Phelps not being able to practice law anymore. I bet you anything they make a couple coins off of egging people to attack them and then suing them.

    BINGO! This is their tactic. They could care less about free speech. They use free speech as the basis to sue cities and individuals, whenever they are assaulted or arrested or removed from where ever they are "protesting". Really, this is just an elaborate scam, and an abuse of the 1st Amendment.
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:09 AM GMT
    They're so over the top once in a while they come out with a music video on YouTube (before it's yanked off) and it's so funny you'd think Saturday Night Live made a low budget video mocking the KKK.
  • Moonraker

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    Jan 11, 2011 9:41 AM GMT
    They just want attention. We should just ignore them.
    They come to OKC a bunch. The come to protest at OU, the state capital, and area high schools for the most random reasons. Most of the media down here has a "gentlemen's agreement" of sorts, not to cover WBC when they are in Oklahoma.
    Although their van did break down in McAlester, OK, and NO one helped them in town. They had to be towed 50 miles to the next Wal-Mart for help.

    Please note they do not represent true Christianity, and in another day in age would be called heretics or a cult.
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    Jan 11, 2011 10:40 AM GMT
    They make me ashamed to call myself Christian.
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    Jan 11, 2011 10:51 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidFred Phelps has a right as an American to free speech. I applaud his efforts. Few people have so single-handedly advanced the cause of gays than him.

    With him in the mix, always poisoning, always challenging, WE become smarter, stronger, more unified.

    They often say of people who've died for a cause: they were martyrs. Fred is elevating anyone who's ever died gay to martyrdom. This is the opposite of his intent.

    I believe the day will come when America truly loves gays, and will muffle Fred with indifference. He will die lonely and afraid, a failure.


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    Jan 11, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    These Westboro nut jobs are banned from entering the UK. Just as well really.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:21 AM GMT
    I'm convinced Fred Phelps is a Sacha Baron Cohen character.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:26 AM GMT
    DCEric saidI'm convinced Fred Phelps is a Sacha Baron Cohen character.


    Lol.

    Why couldn't Loughner have selected Phelps and his cohorts for his 'random' act of violence? Is there some sort of honor among nutcases that prevents them from wiping out their own?
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    Jan 11, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidThey make me ashamed to call myself Christian.
    They are clearly not Christian. No matter what may come out of their mouths, they know not Christ nor His love.
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    Jan 11, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
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    Jan 11, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
    I believe the day will come when America truly loves gays, and will muffle Fred with indifference. He will die lonely and afraid, a failure.[/quote]

    Well said! I believe that too. UNIFIED, UNITED, ONE...icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 11, 2011 1:16 PM GMT
    Mil8 saidWhy couldn't Loughner have selected Phelps and his cohorts for his 'random' act of violence? Is there some sort of honor among nutcases that prevents them from wiping out their own?

    Well, I wouldn't give them good odds for being able to avoid deliberate acts of violence, if they proceed with their announced plans to picket some of the funerals in Arizona. Especially of the 9-year-old girl, which I don't think will be too popular with quite a few people there.
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    Jan 11, 2011 1:17 PM GMT
    I don't even want to post his disgusting recent praise for the Arizona shooter, because there's just no way to even justify any of it.

    Mainstream news organizations are getting some flak for even airing interviews with these hate groups--presumably in the name of showing opposing views. But when the opposing views of equality are violent hatred, something needs to give. They have a choice.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 11, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    Deeply disturbed people clear and simple.
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    Jan 11, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    What is the source of their funding that allows them to travel around the country spreading their vitriolic rhetoric? I too support the right to freedom of speech, but this group rests in the gutter beside the Klan and Neo-Nazis. Hopefully, the American public will tire and let its complacency slip. The country's moral outrage needs to be better expressed so that WBC members understand that there are indeed limits to their practices.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Jan 11, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    It is widely been discussed that Fred Phelps is THE poster boy of confused and enraged closet cases. The one daughter that is has been before the Supreme Court is just as scary as her elderly Daddy. These folks are not going away.

    I remember when I lived near the Country Club Plaza in Kansas City 15 years ago. They would show up at the Unity Temple almost every Saturday that there would be a gay union performed!! The only difference is that driving to Kansas City isn't a big enough forum anymore - no we now share them with the world.

    Their tenacity and committment to ignorance is legendary.
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    Jan 11, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    I wish someone would hurry up and shoot the whole group.
    The court would probably throw the case out and let the shooter go.