Woman Sentenced To 5 Years In McDonald's Transgender Attack

  • metta

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    Sep 13, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    I can't find the original thread but here is an update:




    original articles:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-04-22/news/bs-md-ci-viral-video-mcdonalds-20110422_1_transgender-woman-rosedale-restaurant-video-spread

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128

    18-year-old charged with McDonald's beating caught on tape
    http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_county_crime/woman-injured-after-mcdonald's-beating

    McDonald's employee fired after taping video of fight
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-video-20110423,0,1302714.story

    Victim of McDonald's beating speaks out
    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-04-24/news/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423_1_transgender-woman-mcdonalds-county-police
  • zenmonkie

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    Sep 14, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    Good. That's where she belongs. NO PROBATION.
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    wonderful!!!! I'm glad to see justice is being served, that woman didn't deserve to be attacked by her at all
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:40 AM GMT
    Glad to see justice is served. That incident was just horrible.
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    Sep 14, 2011 5:36 AM GMT
    Wow. Honestly, I felt mostly pessimistic about this case. I totally thought she wasn't get much jail time. In fact, I expected her to get probation, community service, and lots of fines.

    Nice to see the justice system do its job for once. It was a nasty attack.
  • Vaughn

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    Sep 14, 2011 5:46 AM GMT
    Awesome. I'm glad it was treated as a hate crime.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 14, 2011 5:52 AM GMT
    5 years for kicking someone? BS.
  • Artesin

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    Sep 14, 2011 5:56 AM GMT
    5 years is a bit rediculous. Courts need to stop trying to make examples of people and give them a time that better reflects the crime... She may deserve to be locked up, but do you know how much it costs taxpayers to keep someone locked away for that amount of time? I think murderers have gotten off lighter.
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    Sep 14, 2011 6:05 AM GMT
    Artesin said5 years is a bit rediculous. Courts need to stop trying to make examples of people and give them a time that better reflects the crime... She may deserve to be locked up, but do you know how much it costs taxpayers to keep someone locked away for that amount of time? I think murderers have gotten off lighter.


    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?
  • JP85257

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    Sep 14, 2011 6:17 AM GMT
    torrentprime said
    Artesin said5 years is a bit rediculous. Courts need to stop trying to make examples of people and give them a time that better reflects the crime... She may deserve to be locked up, but do you know how much it costs taxpayers to keep someone locked away for that amount of time? I think murderers have gotten off lighter.


    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.
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    Sep 14, 2011 6:37 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    Artesin said5 years is a bit rediculous. Courts need to stop trying to make examples of people and give them a time that better reflects the crime... She may deserve to be locked up, but do you know how much it costs taxpayers to keep someone locked away for that amount of time? I think murderers have gotten off lighter.


    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.


    Well that's not how the justice system works...Killing in self defense is different from premeditated murder which is different from vehicular homicide which is different from criminally negligent homicide which is different from assisted suicide, etc, etc, etc.

    Context *is* the most important thing when it comes to determining the punishment for someone who has killed another. Because one's motivation is everything, it only makes sense that killing someone for no other reason than because they are transgendered or black or whatever should be treated as it's own unique crime.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Sep 14, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
    I am the most liberal person I know.

    This sentence is a bit steep, no??
  • JP85257

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    Sep 14, 2011 6:44 AM GMT
    Cardinal724 said
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    Artesin said5 years is a bit rediculous. Courts need to stop trying to make examples of people and give them a time that better reflects the crime... She may deserve to be locked up, but do you know how much it costs taxpayers to keep someone locked away for that amount of time? I think murderers have gotten off lighter.


    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.


    Well that's not how the justice system works...Killing in self defense is different from premeditated murder which is different from vehicular homicide which is different from criminally negligent homicide which is different from assisted suicide, etc, etc, etc.

    Context *is* the most important thing when it comes to determining the punishment for someone who has killed another. Because one's motivation is everything, it only makes sense that killing someone for no other reason than because they are transgendered or black or whatever should be treated as it's own unique crime.

    Like I said. ANY kind of attacking or MURDER no accidendal or vehicular etc......
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    Sep 14, 2011 8:14 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidI am the most liberal person I know.

    This sentence is a bit steep, no??


    I guess the moral of the story: Don't whistle at a White woman and certainly don't beat up a White woman. Even if they are transsexual...

    Just kidding...Hitting anyone in public is bad. Umm, 5 years is about the normal time for aggravated assault. I doubt any less time would be smiled upon.

    It was on video, girl had a seizure, AND.....AND, it was a public place! And 50 million people had to watch that video in shock horror.

    If she'd been given any less time, there would certainly be an outcry from the LGB association. And the courts didn't want to hear all that.

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    Sep 14, 2011 8:19 AM GMT
    She definitely deserves time, but 10 years?
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    Sep 14, 2011 8:43 AM GMT
    She committed an offence. Plain and simple, and she will serve her time , sentenced...

    That poor teen girl who got beaten has emotional scars that will be there for a life time..
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    Sep 14, 2011 8:58 AM GMT
    Fivealive saidShe committed an offence. Plain and simple, and she will serve her time , sentenced...

    That poor teen girl who got beaten has emotional scars that will be there for a life time..


    I agree, there are still many out there who would unexpectedly beat her up again. 5 years don't sound so steep at all for me.
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    Sep 14, 2011 8:59 AM GMT
    Fivealive said
    That poor teen girl who got beaten has emotional scars that will be there for a life time..


    It was a man, who got beat up by a girl...

    Just to clarify...so people don't accidentally mistake it was a lesbian dressed like a dude.
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    Sep 14, 2011 11:14 AM GMT
    JP85257 said5 years for kicking someone? BS.


    If you view the video on the first link that metta8 provided, you will see that this attack was a bit more savage than just a kick. The news video url does not show the full attack.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048

    Also, one of the girls was involved in a previous assault case at the same McDonald's location.

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Cardinal724 said
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.


    Well that's not how the justice system works...Killing in self defense is different from premeditated murder which is different from vehicular homicide which is different from criminally negligent homicide which is different from assisted suicide, etc, etc, etc.

    Context *is* the most important thing when it comes to determining the punishment for someone who has killed another. Because one's motivation is everything, it only makes sense that killing someone for no other reason than because they are transgendered or black or whatever should be treated as it's own unique crime.

    Like I said. ANY kind of attacking or MURDER no accidendal or vehicular etc......


    So, you're really not addressing our points. By your logic, a 14 year old who handles a gun carelessly, forgets to empty the chamber, and accidentally shoots their mother is the exact same as an assassin who accepts a contract, waits behind your door to kill you, and then throws away the gun and hides your body. No difference whatsoever. Dead is dead, right?
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    Sep 14, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    I agree, our justice system is fucked up and a huge drain on resources. The cunt should be sentenced to be severely beaten by a bunch of angry bull dykes every single day. In her cell, there should be a noose hanging from the ceiling and a chair to stand on. That way it isn't cruel and unusal punishment because she'll have a way out when she can't take it any more. Or so she thinks. The rope will be secured with some manner of breakaway mechanism so when she's about to go "goodbye cruel world!" her fat ass just falls onto the floor. Then the beating start again. If she survives the beatings for a full month, then someone justs puts a bolt gun to her skull to save tax payer dollars. And no, I'm not being facetious.

  • JP85257

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    Sep 14, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    torrentprime said
    JP85257 said
    Cardinal724 said
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.


    Well that's not how the justice system works...Killing in self defense is different from premeditated murder which is different from vehicular homicide which is different from criminally negligent homicide which is different from assisted suicide, etc, etc, etc.

    Context *is* the most important thing when it comes to determining the punishment for someone who has killed another. Because one's motivation is everything, it only makes sense that killing someone for no other reason than because they are transgendered or black or whatever should be treated as it's own unique crime.

    Like I said. ANY kind of attacking or MURDER no accidendal or vehicular etc......


    So, you're really not addressing our points. By your logic, a 14 year old who handles a gun carelessly, forgets to empty the chamber, and accidentally shoots their mother is the exact same as an assassin who accepts a contract, waits behind your door to kill you, and then throws away the gun and hides your body. No difference whatsoever. Dead is dead, right?


    Ok. You obviously cant read.
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    Sep 14, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    JP85257 said
    Cardinal724 said
    JP85257 said
    torrentprime said
    The theory goes that hate crimes are more than the physical act they are made of: burning a cross, for example, is just, what, property damage? Trespassing? An illegal bonfire? No, it is a attempt to send a message, to intimidate, to terrorize an entire community through the idea of "I can do this to 'those people' and no one will care."

    What do you think the proper sentence should be? ("give them a time that better reflects the crime") And what murderers do you think got off lighter? In what context?

    I think any act of attacking, murder etc is steeped in hatred.....It all should be treated the same.


    Well that's not how the justice system works...Killing in self defense is different from premeditated murder which is different from vehicular homicide which is different from criminally negligent homicide which is different from assisted suicide, etc, etc, etc.

    Context *is* the most important thing when it comes to determining the punishment for someone who has killed another. Because one's motivation is everything, it only makes sense that killing someone for no other reason than because they are transgendered or black or whatever should be treated as it's own unique crime.

    Like I said. ANY kind of attacking or MURDER no accidendal or vehicular etc......


    So, you're really not addressing our points. By your logic, a 14 year old who handles a gun carelessly, forgets to empty the chamber, and accidentally shoots their mother is the exact same as an assassin who accepts a contract, waits behind your door to kill you, and then throws away the gun and hides your body. No difference whatsoever. Dead is dead, right?


    Ok. You obviously cant read.


    He can read. We all can.

    You don't write very well. At all.

    Even so, we all know what you mean. And what you are.

    'nuff said?

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    Sep 14, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    MochaMuscle said
    Fivealive said
    That poor teen girl who got beaten has emotional scars that will be there for a life time..


    It was a man, who got beat up by a girl...

    Just to clarify...so people don't accidentally mistake it was a lesbian dressed like a dude.


    I know that. But he is transgendered so he is a she..


    So I stand by she
  • neosyllogy

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    Sep 14, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidI am the most liberal person I know.

    This sentence is a bit steep, no??


    What are you guys talking about?!
    Ignore the gay/straight stuff for a moment.
    They kicked and beat a person who was helplessly laying there until she started convulsing (from head trauma, I presume).
    Seriously, how do you guys think 5 years is light?! icon_evil.gif

    (You can argue whether locking people up with a bunch of other criminals for a few years and then releasing them is a good plan in general, but that's another issue.)