Charity Work By Churches

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    Sep 13, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    I just saw someone mention in a thread about churches coming together to support people in a time of need. I know that some do it right, but the ones that I had went to volunteer with did not.

    It was a church organization that helped feed the homeless. But before the homeless could eat, a preacher would stand up and give a sermon. He went on and on about how the guys were homeless because of their homosexuality and that they need to get their lives right with the Lord. I stood their dumbfounded with my mouth hanging open. It was really jacked up that the guys had to be berated before they could get a meal. I have heard people say that programs to assist the poor should be done away with, and left up to the communities/churches that will provide the services.

    My questions are: do you take the good and the bad when take help from churches like these? What if this is your only option?
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    Sep 13, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
    Balljunkie saidI just saw in a thread about churches coming together to support people in a time of need. I know that some do it right, but the ones that I had went to volunteer with did not.

    It was a church organization that helped feed the homeless. But before the homeless could eat, a preacher would stand up and give a sermon. He went on and on about how the guys were homeless because of their homosexuality and that they need to get their lives right with the Lord. I stood their dumbfounded with my mouth hanging open. It was really jacked up that the guys had to be berated before they could get a meal. I have heard people say that programs to assist the poor should be done away with, and left up to the communities/churches that will provide the services.

    My questions are: do you take the good and the bad when take help from churches like these? What if this is your only option?
    This is exactly why no religious based/aligned org will get a penny from me.
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
    You actually met gay homeless people? Amazing.
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidYou actually met gay homeless people? Amazing.
    Yeah.. they exist.. is that too hard for you to comprehend?
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    Balljunkie saidI just saw in a thread about churches coming together to support people in a time of need. I know that some do it right, but the ones that I had went to volunteer with did not.

    It was a church organization that helped feed the homeless. But before the homeless could eat, a preacher would stand up and give a sermon. He went on and on about how the guys were homeless because of their homosexuality and that they need to get their lives right with the Lord. I stood their dumbfounded with my mouth hanging open. It was really jacked up that the guys had to be berated before they could get a meal. I have heard people say that programs to assist the poor should be done away with, and left up to the communities/churches that will provide the services.

    My questions are: do you take the good and the bad when take help from churches like these? What if this is your only option?


    I have a friend, again Calvary Baptist in LA, who does exactly this through his church. It's been a long struggle with this one, but I think I'm making some progress. Besides, he has some respect for me. I'm the only one who can beat him arm wrestling. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidYou actually met gay homeless people? Amazing.



    Anyone else not surprised to see a conservagay ignorant of the issue of gay teen homelessness? No? Didn't think so.
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    Sep 14, 2011 1:50 AM GMT
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    conservativejock saidYou actually met gay homeless people? Amazing.



    Anyone else not surprised to see a conservagay ignorant of the issue of gay teen homelessness? No? Didn't think so.

    Oh. I thought that conservativejock doesn't think that homeless are people.
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    Sep 14, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    Ermine said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    conservativejock saidYou actually met gay homeless people? Amazing.



    Anyone else not surprised to see a conservagay ignorant of the issue of gay teen homelessness? No? Didn't think so.

    Oh. I thought that conservativejock doesn't think that homeless are people.
    To him they aren't! Thats why they dont exist!
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:28 AM GMT
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    Balljunkie said


    I have a friend, again Calvary Baptist in LA, who does exactly this through his church. It's been a long struggle with this one, but I think I'm making some progress. Besides, he has some respect for me. I'm the only one who can beat him arm wrestling. icon_wink.gif


    But that's my thing. I feel bad for the people that have no other options, and are bound to hearing that sort of rhetoric. That is why I can't get behind leaving issues with poverty up to communities and churches.
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    Balljunkie said
    freedomisntfree said
    Balljunkie said


    I have a friend, again Calvary Baptist in LA, who does exactly this through his church. It's been a long struggle with this one, but I think I'm making some progress. Besides, he has some respect for me. I'm the only one who can beat him arm wrestling. icon_wink.gif


    But that's my thing. I feel bad for the people that have no other options, and are bound to hearing that sort of rhetoric. That is why I can't get behind leaving issues with poverty up to communities and churches.
    And its warranted! "churches" and "communities" are notorious bigots and cliquish!
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    Sep 14, 2011 4:26 AM GMT
    Balljunkie said
    freedomisntfree said
    Balljunkie said


    I have a friend, again Calvary Baptist in LA, who does exactly this through his church. It's been a long struggle with this one, but I think I'm making some progress. Besides, he has some respect for me. I'm the only one who can beat him arm wrestling. icon_wink.gif


    But that's my thing. I feel bad for the people that have no other options, and are bound to hearing that sort of rhetoric. That is why I can't get behind leaving issues with poverty up to communities and churches.


    I’m very uncomfortable with it, but I’m agnostic. I was as uncomfortable the couple of times I went to his church. He didn’t talk me into it, but he did ask if I wanted to go, and I said sure.

    They were real serious about their charity work locally, nationally and internationally, but it was almost always combined with at least some proselytizing.

    As a Presbyterian kid, our Sunday school made frequent field trips to other faiths so we could learn that there are other belief systems out there. I wasn’t taught that one was better or purer than another. My friend is very knowledgeable and once you get him on that subject it’s real hard to get him off of it. He is a believer in fundamentalism and he knows his stuff. I choose to disagree with him on much of it. I will say that he’s a great guy and will do anything to help another – just don’t get him on that subject. It’s worse than me talking about cars or guns or …