For we few RJ gun nuts. A tale of caution.....

  • conservativej...

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    I've attached a few photos of a wound that was created by the accidental discharge of a Glock Model 40 in 45ACP. The gentleman who shot himself is a veteran law enforcement officer. He had removed the magazine from the Glock but did not check to ensure a round was not in the chamber. For those of you who know the Glock, you know you must pull the trigger on an empty chamber in order to release the pins that hold the slide on the gun. In other words you must dry fire the gun.

    The first pic is of the side of a Sig P250 showing the chamber indicator that is extended from the frame when a round is seated in the chamber. The second arrow points to an area where the breech face can be seen as well as any round that is in the chamber. This can be seen in normal ambient light. The Sig demonstrates the same features of the Glock as it has an indicator and you can see the round in the chamber. In addition, the Sig has an indicator not shown in the pic on the rear of the pistol that extends past the rear face of the gun when a round is in the chamber.

    In the case of the officer, he did not follow his own tried and true procedure of ensuring the weapon was not loaded when he dry fired. As a result he discharged the weapon into his left hand that was pulling down on the locking pins on the Glock. (Pulling the pins is not something I would be doing when dry firing.)

    The round discharged was a Winchester Black Talon. In the photos, the hand looks remarkably good considering the damage inflicted by the Talon. It sliced the artery leading into the hand on entry. From there it tore out tendons and nerves on its' way out the side of the hand. Fortunately, it entered at an angle and basically skimmed the fleshy part of the palm.

    You guys on RJ who shoot know how to be safe. Please continue to be safe.

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    Just goes to show.. even gun owners aren't that smart all the time.. Still havent had an accidental discharge in over 40 years! icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:16 AM GMT
    I think a good procedure would be to dry fire toward the target, even if you "know" it's empty.
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:18 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think a good procedure would be to dry fire toward the target, even if you "know" it's empty.
    LOL thats referred to as "down range"... The guy was stupid. He got what he deserved.
  • conservativej...

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think a good procedure would be to dry fire toward the target, even if you "know" it's empty.


    Absolutely.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    None of my gun discharges have ever been "accidental."
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:48 PM GMT
    or you could just not own guns... the end.
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:59 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said...He got what he deserved.

    Typical response. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Assuming a round in the chamber and keeping the pistol pointed away is basic, whatever brand you're talking about. The real danger is letting yourself become distracted when you are doing something very familiar. Similar to landing a plane without extending the gear. You have checklists to follow to make sure it doesn't happen, but it still does.
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
    I wonder if this was a case of "familiarity breeds complacency." The guy is a LEO; handling firearms is part of his daily routine. I can't even imagine this happening to me, because I seldom need to use my firearms, and when I do handle them, I am always hyper-aware that I am holding a lethal weapon.
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    He still has full range of motion and use of the hand? That is one lucky dude who'll be a lot more aware/careful in the future.
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:25 PM GMT
    Sad to see that happen, but the exceptional example proves the principle:

    Always be alert, aware, and assured of what condition your firearm is in when handling it.
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    Sep 14, 2011 2:33 PM GMT
    No matter how good you are (or THINK you are) you should always handle a gun/fire arm with the utmost respect and care and because shit happens.

    In the grand scale of things he is quite lucky have a hand at all considering the incident. A hard lesson to learn but one he won't forget I hope.
  • Montague

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    Sep 14, 2011 2:37 PM GMT
    1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
    2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shot.
    3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
    4. Keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

    What I was taught!
  • conservativej...

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    Sep 15, 2011 2:30 AM GMT
    imasrxd saidHe still has full range of motion and use of the hand? That is one lucky dude who'll be a lot more aware/careful in the future.


    He is in therapy. Apparently there has been around a 20% loss of function. Lots of grafting of tendon material from the arm.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 15, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    Montague said1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
    2. Never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shot.
    3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.
    4. Keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

    What I was taught!

    I keep my gun in my center console under my bible next to my lotion.
  • jperfit

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    Sep 15, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    i like guns
  • danisnotstr8

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    Sep 15, 2011 2:40 AM GMT
    The very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 15, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
    Trollileo said
    JP85257 saidNone of my gun discharges have ever been "accidental."
    Kinky.

    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.
    I don't mind people who do as long as they're responsible and aren't stupid about it.

    Gun Controls means using both hands.
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    Sep 15, 2011 3:28 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Trollileo said
    JP85257 saidNone of my gun discharges have ever been "accidental."
    Kinky.

    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.
    I don't mind people who do as long as they're responsible and aren't stupid about it.

    Gun Controls means using both hands.


    Gun Control = hitting your target with a tight group.
  • JP85257

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    Sep 15, 2011 3:30 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    JP85257 said
    Trollileo said
    JP85257 saidNone of my gun discharges have ever been "accidental."
    Kinky.

    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.
    I don't mind people who do as long as they're responsible and aren't stupid about it.

    Gun Controls means using both hands.


    Gun Control = hitting your target with a tight group.

    This too.

    I was watching the news one night. A reporter was interviewing a sniper. The interviewer asked: "What do you feel when you shoot a person." The sniper replied: "Recoil...."
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    Sep 15, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    Something like that almost happened once I was drinking at a friends place with two other guys. The friend (who had told us about being experienced with guns) asked to see the owner's gun (also a Sig funny enough). He removed the magazine but stupidly didn't empty the chamber and even more stupidly decided to point the gun at a table and pull the damn trigger!

    Trollileo said
    JP85257 saidI was watching the news one night. A reporter was interviewing a sniper. The interviewer asked: "What do you feel when you shoot a person." The sniper replied: "Recoil...."
    That guy's a badass.


    I totally imagined the sniper being Solid Snake.
  • janu88

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    Sep 15, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.


    second that, i dont really get this gun ownership obsession in US. icon_rolleyes.gif

    is it really that unsafe there?
    poor you guys then.
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    Sep 15, 2011 6:41 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.


    You are free to not own one.
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    Sep 15, 2011 11:19 AM GMT
    intentsman said
    danisnotstr8 saidThe very idea of owning a gun makes me sick to my stomach. That is all.


    You are free to not own one.

    LOL. I was just about to post that nobody is pointing a gun at his head saying that he needs to buy one...

    Having said that, it is a good reminder of the serious consequences if you are not paying attention. Can the P250 be fired as the Glock was? I know my old P210 needs the magazine present before you can actually fire it (I know, completely different design, but it is the only SIG that I am familiar with...)
  • fmrhugger

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    Sep 15, 2011 11:30 AM GMT
    Hope it wasn't his JO hand!