Weiner District Elects GOP to Congress After Nearly a Century of Democrat Representation.

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    Sep 14, 2011 11:34 AM GMT
    Not looking good for the Dems in Nov2012 folks.


    From the Wall Stree Journal:

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    Democrats suffered a setback Tuesday in a congressional election in New York City, where a district they have held for nearly a century elected a Republican who framed his candidacy as a rebuke to President Barack Obama.

    The GOP candidate, Bob Turner, was declared the winner Tuesday night over Democrat David Weprin in an out-of-season contest to succeed Rep. Anthony Weiner, who resigned following a scandal over sexually charged messages he sent to women he met online.

    Mr. Turner had 53% of the vote to Mr. Weprin's 47%, with about two-thirds of the total votes counted in the district that includes parts of Queens and Brooklyn.
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    Sep 14, 2011 11:40 AM GMT
    Lets hope Turner knows how to keep his pecker in his pantsicon_evil.gif
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    Sep 14, 2011 11:44 AM GMT
    Turner made the campaign all about Obama, and polls reflected the importance of national issues and sending a message.
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    Sep 14, 2011 12:11 PM GMT
    Once again, the Republican message merged smoothly with the ANTI GAY agenda of the Religious Right. The Orthodox Jewish community of this district were persuaded to vote for Turner as a backlash against Democrats who supported our rights to marry.

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    Sep 14, 2011 1:08 PM GMT
    Don't kid yourselves. Gay issues were not a significant factor at all. As far as Republican leaning, this district had not gone Republican since 1923. You can try and spin this to local factors all you want, but it doesn't fly. I will bet the DNC and and party loyalists are extremely alarmed, and will probably start distancing themselves from Obama.
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    Sep 14, 2011 1:26 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidTurner made the campaign all about Obama, and polls reflected the importance of national issues and sending a message.

    Absolutely!
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    socalfitness saidDon't kid yourselves. Gay issues were not a significant factor at all. As far as Republican leaning, this district had not gone Republican since 1923. You can try and spin this to local factors all you want, but it doesn't fly. I will bet the DNC and and party loyalists are extremely alarmed, and will probably start distancing themselves from Obama.

    Don't kid yourself. No one is going to distance himself from Obama; that would be a recipe for a GOP landslide. It would be the equivalent of agreeing that your opponents are right.

    And if you actually read my post above, you'll see that it isn't "spin". It's a recognition that this particular slice of Queens and Brooklyn, an area I know intimately, is actually becoming more Republican in general. Whether that has to do with Israel (partly), racism (definitely partly) or the general embrace of the right-wing by the Orthodox (a huge point); none of this matters. What does matter is that the district is becoming more Republican, so this was less of a surprise to me or anyone who knows the area than it was to, say, Washington DC-based political writers or RJ posters who observe events from 3000 miles away.

    The individual Democratic Senators and Congressmen up for re-election are more concerned about themselves than Obama. We will see signs of their degree of support to him in Congress in coming months, as well as the scheduling conflicts that will prevent them from appearing with him.

    As far as the district, my information comes from reading reports by those there who know the district. It is also no surprise that the Democratic support among the Jewish population has been declining, somewhat, yet had remained strong nationally. So you can say the trend has been more in the direction of Republicans, which is true, but both in the district as well as nationally, the support had been very strong. Well until now.
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    I find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.
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    TropicalMark saidI find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.


    As a libertarian, I think this is a decision that would damage the economy of NC and ultimately hurt NC in the mid term if passed. But I think it is a decision that should be at the state level. Though - I'm sure you're equally aware that President Obama opposes gay marriage and has had a similar view to GW Bush on the issue - that there should be civil unions (a position that I used to have before recognizing that in the absence of civil unions, there should be gay marriage - but I am more for civil unions for all than gay marriage given that the state should have no place in marriage beyond the contractual arrangement).

    But at the same time, New York State has passed gay marriage - over time, I'm pretty sure the position in NC will change - as it's a simple matter of demographics. No matter your socio economic background, blue state, red state, republican or democrat or other, a significant majority of the young believe that there should be gay marriage and/or civil unions.

    As for gloating and celebrating, there is nothing to celebrate in the fact that this race was won largely because the US economy is in the crapper and looks like it is going to get worse. It's a hollow triumph of ideas at best.
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    TropicalMark saidI find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.


    As a libertarian, I think this is a decision that would damage the economy of NC and ultimately hurt NC in the mid term if passed. But I think it is a decision that should be at the state level. Though - I'm sure you're equally aware that President Obama opposes gay marriage and has had a similar view to GW Bush on the issue - that there should be civil unions (a position that I used to have before recognizing that in the absence of civil unions, there should be gay marriage - but I am more for civil unions for all than gay marriage given that the state should have no place in marriage beyond the contractual arrangement).

    But at the same time, New York State has passed gay marriage - over time, I'm pretty sure the position in NC will change - as it's a simple matter of demographics. No matter your socio economic background, blue state, red state, republican or democrat or other, a significant majority of the young believe that there should be gay marriage and/or civil unions.

    As for gloating and celebrating, there is nothing to celebrate in the fact that this race was won largely because the US economy is in the crapper and looks like it is going to get worse. It's a hollow triumph of ideas at best.
    Ok I just read what you had to say.. Now I'm gonna ask you a simple question.. as a libertarian of course.

    How then does it set well with this "We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose. I Noticed your disdain was about NC economy.. Well that rather telling isnt it?

    Now lets go here:We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation. Well???

    Or, heres the big one:Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or
    restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
    Notice that ALL italicized paragraphs quoted are taken directly from the ... drum roll please... The Libertairian Party's platform site http://www.lp.org/platform

    Sorry riddler, but you can't pull that bullshit republican crap wool over everyone's eyes. Nothing, and i repeat nothing you've ever said is in line with the 'libertarian' view point. You care only for money, yourself, and more money.. everyone's 'liberty' be damned.
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    TropicalMark saidI find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.

    LOL - I read from many who are expert in the NY district. As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional. Fact is the country is completely rejecting the economic model you embrace. Get used to it.
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    TropicalMark saidI find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.

    LOL - I read from many who are expert in the NY district. As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional. Fact is the country is completely rejecting the economic model you embrace. Get used to it.
    Uh fuckehead.. You havent the balls to say anything do ya? LMAO.. what happened yesterday in NC? HUH?
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    As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional.
    Uh.. tell us what that's supposed to mean....... A Hugo Chavez model? And that has to do with NC HOW???????????????????
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    TropicalMark saidI find it very interesting that none of the 'conservative/republicans' have uttered a peep in the thread concerning what happened yesterday in NC...........

    And oh btw, socal.. Queens/Brooklyn NY is NOT, and I repeat NOT your expertise. There is no way in hell you can 'know' the dynamics of what took place. If you want to gloat and celebrate, then I URGE you to open your trap in any of the NC threads.. I dare you.


    As a libertarian, I think this is a decision that would damage the economy of NC and ultimately hurt NC in the mid term if passed. But I think it is a decision that should be at the state level. Though - I'm sure you're equally aware that President Obama opposes gay marriage and has had a similar view to GW Bush on the issue - that there should be civil unions (a position that I used to have before recognizing that in the absence of civil unions, there should be gay marriage - but I am more for civil unions for all than gay marriage given that the state should have no place in marriage beyond the contractual arrangement).

    But at the same time, New York State has passed gay marriage - over time, I'm pretty sure the position in NC will change - as it's a simple matter of demographics. No matter your socio economic background, blue state, red state, republican or democrat or other, a significant majority of the young believe that there should be gay marriage and/or civil unions.

    As for gloating and celebrating, there is nothing to celebrate in the fact that this race was won largely because the US economy is in the crapper and looks like it is going to get worse. It's a hollow triumph of ideas at best.
    Ok I just read what you had to say.. Now I'm gonna ask you a simple question.. as a libertarian of course.

    How then does it set well with this "We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose. I Noticed your disdain was about NC economy.. Well that rather telling isnt it?

    Now lets go here:We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life -- accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action -- accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property -- accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation. Well???

    Or, heres the big one:Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or
    restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.
    Notice that ALL italicized paragraphs quoted are taken directly from the ... drum roll please... The Libertairian Party's platform site http://www.lp.org/platform

    Sorry riddler, but you can't pull that bullshit republican crap wool over everyone's eyes. Nothing, and i repeat nothing you've ever said is in line with the 'libertarian' view point. You care only for money, yourself, and more money.. everyone's 'liberty' be damned.


    First, the Libertarian Party is a name - it doesn't represent all libertarians. Second, I don't see anything in there that conflicts at all with what you claim to be my ideals. I think the money creates the incentive - but also understand that the money comes from the fact there is demand rather than the other way around. In this case, the incentives have been naturally created to do what's right. Further - even the passage you cite is consistent with what I've said: "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or
    restrict personal relationships."

    The government has no place in defining what marriage is and is not - because within the role of government marriage is only a contractual arrangement and should not be a reflection of values being imposed - changing it to civil unions that are indiscriminating then for all recognizes it as such. What place after all, should government have between one of your most relationships - that of your partner for life and God (if you believe in one)?

    But back to the topic at hand, again, this cannot be seen as anything but a problem for Obama - but in doing so, it is also a reflection of how horrible the economy is and how bad it may continue to get.
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    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said
    As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional.
    Uh.. tell us what that's supposed to mean....... A Hugo Chavez model? And that has to do with NC HOW???????????????????



    Since I lived a stones throw from (25 years)"Saul Weprin" st ( dad of Weprin ) let me tell you for the most part it had to do with Israel and Obama.

    The Weprins had alot of political power in the area. And it isnt as simple as Republican/Democrat. The Orthodox in the past had supported many power liberal democrats to get zoning and regulation patronage.

    You wont see too many Obama stops in Brooklyn Queens and Long Island over the next election cycle. At this point he has nothing to offer them, and they wont vote for him.

    Simple
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    musclmed said
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said
    As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional.
    Uh.. tell us what that's supposed to mean....... A Hugo Chavez model? And that has to do with NC HOW???????????????????



    Since I lived a stones throw from (25 years)"Saul Weprin" st ( dad of Weprin ) let me tell you for the most part it had to do with Israel and Obama.

    The Weprins had alot of political power in the area. And it isnt as simple as Republican/Democrat. The Orthodox in the past had supported many power liberal democrats to get zoning and regulation patronage.

    You wont see too many Obama stops in Brooklyn Queens and Long Island over the next election cycle. At this point he has nothing to offer them, and they wont vote for him.

    Simple

    That is exactly what I read from the experts, what I hear from friends in that area, and what I hear from exNYers in Calif.
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    Sep 14, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    I wouldn't over-reach too much about what this GOP win means nationally -- at least not yet -- but if things keep going downhill for Obama, he may need to do something drastic, like perhaps get Joe Biden to step down as V.P. and bring in Hillary Clinton or another top tier democrat as his running mate for 2012
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    musclmed said
    TropicalMark said
    socalfitness said
    As far as NC goes, there are bad things that happen locally, but if that is a justification to embrace an Hugo Chavez model in the US, you're delusional.
    Uh.. tell us what that's supposed to mean....... A Hugo Chavez model? And that has to do with NC HOW???????????????????



    Since I lived a stones throw from (25 years)"Saul Weprin" st ( dad of Weprin ) let me tell you for the most part it had to do with Israel and Obama.

    The Weprins had alot of political power in the area. And it isnt as simple as Republican/Democrat. The Orthodox in the past had supported many power liberal democrats to get zoning and regulation patronage.

    You wont see too many Obama stops in Brooklyn Queens and Long Island over the next election cycle. At this point he has nothing to offer them, and they wont vote for him.

    Simple
    The quote you took above has nothing to do with NY.. my question to Socal was his inference to NC and Hugo Chavez..
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI wouldn't over-reach too much about what this GOP win means nationally -- at least not yet -- but if things keep going downhill for Obama, he may need to do something drastic, like perhaps get Joe Biden to step down as V.P. and bring in Hillary Clinton or another top tier democrat as his running mate for 2012


    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/13/cnn-poll-president-gets-no-bounce-from-speech-but-disapproval-rating-peaks/

    CNN Poll: President gets no bounce from speech, but disapproval rating peaks

    President Barack Obama didn't score any political points with his speech on jobs to a joint session of Congress last Thursday. According to a new CNN/ORC International poll released Tuesday, the president's approval rating stands at 43 percent, virtually unchanged from the 45 percent approval rating in the previous CNN poll.

    Although this is not the lowest number of those who say they approve of how Obama is handling his job-he reached 42 percent one year ago-the number who disapprove of the president reached its highest during his presidency in the poll.

    The survey reveals that 55 percent say they do not approve of how Obama is handling his duties in the White House and the number of Americans who think he is a strong leader has dropped to a new low.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/obama-approval-drops-on-skepticism-of-jobs-plan.html

    Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan: Poll

    The downbeat assessment of the American Jobs Act reflects a growing and broad sense of dissatisfaction with the president. Americans disapprove of his handling of the economy by 62 percent to 33 percent, a Bloomberg National Poll conducted Sept. 9-12 shows. The disapproval number represents a nine point increase from six months ago.[...]

    By a margin of 51 percent to 40 percent, Americans doubt the package of tax cuts and spending proposals intended to jumpstart job creation that Obama submitted to Congress this week will bring down the 9.1 percent jobless rate. That sentiment undermines one of the core arguments the president is making on the job act’s behalf in a nationwide campaign to build public support.

    Compounding Obama’s challenge is that 56 percent of independents, whom the president won in 2008 and will need to win in 2012, are skeptical it will work.
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    Sep 14, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    Comedy Central - guess they are so desperate they'll lie to your face about the obvious things.

    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/09/14/debbie-wasserman-schultz-ny-9-is-a-very-difficult-district-for-democrats/

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz: NY-9 is “a very difficult district for Democrats”

    Democratic party leaders insisted the loss wasn’t a harbinger of things to come. “It’s a very difficult district for Democrats,” said Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, noting its Democratic margins there tend to be the second lowest of all the districts in New York City.

    House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), dismissed that idea.

    “This is a very seriously Democrat district,” Mr. Boehner said. “This is not a district that Republicans have any right to believe we could win.”
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    Sep 14, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said. my question to Socal was his inference to NC and Hugo Chavez..
    Which he refuses to answer.
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    TropicalMark said. my question to Socal was his inference to NC and Hugo Chavez..
    Which he refuses to answer.

    Two separate things. NC - bad things happening locally, Hugo Chavez - promotes an economic model you seem to champion
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    TropicalMark said
    TropicalMark said. my question to Socal was his inference to NC and Hugo Chavez..
    Which he refuses to answer.

    Two separate things. NC - bad things happening locally, Hugo Chavez - promotes an economic model you seem to champion
    LMAO........ you know what ASSuming does don't you?
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI wouldn't over-reach too much about what this GOP win means nationally -- at least not yet -- but if things keep going downhill for Obama, he may need to do something drastic, like perhaps get Joe Biden to step down as V.P. and bring in Hillary Clinton or another top tier democrat as his running mate for 2012


    He'll hold on to that card until the convention, but I don't think it will be Hillary as much as I think it will be Andrew Cuomo. I do think he’ll need to play it though.
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    Sep 14, 2011 5:57 PM GMT
    vincent7 saidLets hope Turner knows how to keep his pecker in his pantsicon_evil.gif


    Maybe he has no pecker to pack. And at Turner's age, what's he gonna do with it anyway?