Schizophrenic poll results on gay marriage: majority on our side until you get to the question of a constitutional amendment...

  • DCguy2001

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    Sep 14, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
    Check out these poll results below from an August 2011 AP-GfK poll . To sum up:

    * Should same-sex couples get the same benefits as str8 married couples? YES - 57%

    * Should the government give legal recognition to same-sex marriages? YES - 53%

    * Do you think making laws about same-sex marriages should be the responsibility of the states or the federal government? STATES - 55%

    So far, so good. OK, one more question...

    * Would you favor or oppose a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man or a woman? YES by 48-43% plurality. WTF?

    My only hope is that people are confused and eventually most of the undecideds on that last question will come to realize that a constitutional amendment doesn't make sense...

    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/same-sex-marriage-debate-1308927099-slideshow/chart-shows-opinion-poll-results-gay-marriage-issues-photo-072718252.html
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    Sep 14, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    DCguy1999 saidCheck out these poll results below from an August 2011 AP-GfK poll . To sum up:

    * Should same-sex couples get the same benefits as str8 married couples? YES - 57%

    * Should the government give legal recognition to same-sex marriages? YES - 53%

    * Do you think making laws about same-sex marriages should be the responsibility of the states or the federal government? STATES - 55%

    So far, so good. OK, one more question...

    * Would you favor or oppose a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man or a woman? YES by 48-43% plurality. WTF?

    My only hope is that people are confused and eventually most of the undecideds on that last question will come to realize that a constitutional amendment doesn't make sense...

    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/same-sex-marriage-debate-1308927099-slideshow/chart-shows-opinion-poll-results-gay-marriage-issues-photo-072718252.html
    The 8 percent who "dont care" is what skewed your results.. Apathy is what happened in Germany in the 30's.. you now know what happens.
  • DCEric

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    Sep 14, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    Really. Godwined in the first reply?

    /8% "apathy" does not a totalitarian regime make.
    //don't care =/= don't know
  • tckrguys

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    Sep 14, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    You have to look at the way the questions were asked. The only question that mentioned marriage was the last two, (and one only deals with who should be able to make the laws and states win which is the way it is now), the others deal with same benefits and legal recognition.

    When you throw the word marriage in the question, polls show a plurality against same-sex marriage, but if you are either vague or use civil unions the numbers shift in favor. Most people want to give same-sex couples the same legal rights without calling it marriage.

    What the pro equality groups MUST do is make the distinction between legal marriage and religious marriage. They have to push the idea that legal marriage deals with laws, rights and privileges. Religious marriage is between the people's "god" and them.

    One way to do this is to remind people that they are not married, in the legal sense, until the marriage certificate is filed with the government. You can have all the religious ceremonies you want but the government won't recognize that "marriage" until that paper is filed.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Sep 14, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
    This is fairly common when reading results/data from political polls or any questionnaires where there is a political component. You can thank a society where "political correctness" is beat into your head at a very early age.

    People are less inclined to be publicly opposed to something because they don't want to be beat down for being construed as racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, or any other hot button issue that is in society today.


    It's more commonly called the "Bradley effect" in the Political Science field.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
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    Sep 14, 2011 5:28 PM GMT
    tckrguys saidWhat the pro equality groups MUST do is make the distinction between legal marriage and religious marriage. They have to push the idea that legal marriage deals with laws, rights and privileges. Religious marriage is between the people's "god" and them.

    One way to do this is to remind people that they are not married, in the legal sense, until the marriage certificate is filed with the government. You can have all the religious ceremonies you want but the government won't recognize that "marriage" until that paper is filed.


    +1
  • Anto

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    Sep 14, 2011 7:34 PM GMT
    tckrguys said
    One way to do this is to remind people that they are not married, in the legal sense, until the marriage certificate is filed with the government. You can have all the religious ceremonies you want but the government won't recognize that "marriage" until that paper is filed.



    The problem is that the government gives recognition to religious officials in the solemnization of marriages. If religious figures were treated just as regular people I don't think people would be as 'confused' when it comes to thinking about marriage as recognized by the state and federal government vs their church. But then again we also have 'In God we trust' on money and prayer in congress, 'one nation under god' in pledge, history of swearing on the bible in courts, etc., so religious people are less compelled to look at the government as being separate from their beliefs and more an attack on them when people start to try and differentiate government from religion.
  • tckrguys

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    Sep 17, 2011 3:03 AM GMT
    You are right Anto, that is why the equality groups need to start referring to marriage equality as civil marriage, legal marriage, etc. and point time and time again that churches are not the only place to get married and religious figures are not the only ones able to "perform" marriage rights

    In summary they (really we every time any of us discuss this subject with anyone) need to make the distinction between marriage and matrimony.