Paul Ryan explains tax reform

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 14, 2011 7:45 PM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/paul-ryan-explains-tax-reform/2011/03/29/gIQAz9DhRK_blog.html

    Watch the video and observe how he demonstrates that his tax reform would include closing loopholes for the top earners and that by reducing the overall tax rate does not mean giving big breaks to the wealthiest, but instead encourages economic growth for small businesses and entrepreneurship.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 14, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    FLIP
    FLOP.

    This loser is desperately trying to unsay stuff he's already on the record as saying.

    It's a tough choice between Romney Perry and Ryan to decide which one is the biggest flip-flopper.

    Call it a four-way tie.
    Anyway you slice it, they're all losing options for America.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 14, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    RickRick91 saidFLIP
    FLOP.

    This loser is desperately trying to unsay stuff he's already on the record as saying.

    It's a tough choice between Romney Perry and Ryan to decide which one is the biggest flip-flopper.

    Call it a four-way tie.
    Anyway you slice it, they're all losing options for America.


    Nope, this has always been his position from day 1. He has always talked about closing all of the tax break loopholes for the wealthiest and corporations as part of his plan while simultaneously bringing overall taxes down to encourage business growth.

    You just never understood it and now you're bitter.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 14, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    RickRick91 saidFLIP
    FLOP.

    This loser is desperately trying to unsay stuff he's already on the record as saying.

    It's a tough choice between Romney Perry and Ryan to decide which one is the biggest flip-flopper.

    Call it a four-way tie.
    Anyway you slice it, they're all losing options for America.


    Nope, this has always been his position from day 1. He has always talked about closing all of the tax break loopholes for the wealthiest and corporations as part of his plan while simultaneously bringing overall taxes down to encourage business growth.

    You just never understood it and now you're bitter.





    Bitter?
    LOL!
    Only in your delusions!

    I LOVE the Ryan budget plan!
    Because a majority of Americans HATE it!

    The Ryan budget plan would privatize Medicare and partially privatize Social Security.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/25/agenda-project/throw-granny-cliff-ad-says-paul-ryan-plan-would-pr/

    The Ryan budget plan - WHICH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CONGRESSIONAL REPUB VOTED FOR - would force seniors to pay $6,400.00 a year in additional health care costs.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/18/barack-obama/president-obama-says-republican-medicare-plan-woul/

    Democrats from coast to coast will be using the Ryan budget plan against the Repubs who voted for it.

    FYI - advocating the privatization of Medicare and Social Security and forcing seniors to pay $6,400.00 more per year in health care costs is a great way to lose an election.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 14, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said

    FYI - advocating the privatization of Medicare and Social Security and forcing seniors to pay $6,400.00 more per year in health care costs is a great way to lose an election.
    LOL
    SS was a hot potato/grenade at the debate..icon_lol.gif
    that was fun watching them throw it back and forth.
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Sep 15, 2011 10:55 AM GMT
    I smell an attempt to cover my ass before the elections ... Do you smell an attempt to cover my ass before the elections?? icon_biggrin.gif

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZJuMfWy3lBaJCYnKzUHt
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    mocktwinkie said
    RickRick91 saidFLIP
    FLOP.

    This loser is desperately trying to unsay stuff he's already on the record as saying.

    It's a tough choice between Romney Perry and Ryan to decide which one is the biggest flip-flopper.

    Call it a four-way tie.
    Anyway you slice it, they're all losing options for America.


    Nope, this has always been his position from day 1. He has always talked about closing all of the tax break loopholes for the wealthiest and corporations as part of his plan while simultaneously bringing overall taxes down to encourage business growth.

    You just never understood it and now you're bitter.





    Bitter?
    LOL!
    Only in your delusions!

    I LOVE the Ryan budget plan!
    Because a majority of Americans HATE it!

    The Ryan budget plan would privatize Medicare and partially privatize Social Security.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/25/agenda-project/throw-granny-cliff-ad-says-paul-ryan-plan-would-pr/

    The Ryan budget plan - WHICH ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CONGRESSIONAL REPUB VOTED FOR - would force seniors to pay $6,400.00 a year in additional health care costs.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/18/barack-obama/president-obama-says-republican-medicare-plan-woul/

    Democrats from coast to coast will be using the Ryan budget plan against the Repubs who voted for it.

    FYI - advocating the privatization of Medicare and Social Security and forcing seniors to pay $6,400.00 more per year in health care costs is a great way to lose an election.


    Paul Ryan has never pretended that the cuts will be easy or happen without some sort of inconvenience. That is the price for making things solvent.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidPaul Ryan has never pretended that the cuts will be easy or happen without some sort of inconvenience. That is the price for making things solvent.

    Yes, but from whom does he want to extract the sacrifices?
    We all know, even if you don't.


    Too much money has been spent to artificially appease the masses, money that should never have been lavishly spent in the first place -- all done for political gain. For someone to stand up and spearhead a move to go back to the way things SHOULD have been (in terms of sustainability) is remarkable, but it obviously won't come without a feeling of "loss" from some of the recipients who should have never been receiving benefits to unsustainable levels in the first place. The "child", so to speak, is going from one parent who spoils them to another one which encourages them to do more for themselves while helping them with necessities. It's not entirely easy at first but it has a valuable end.

    Ryan's plan is a combination of eliminating loopholes for big business while lowering the overall tax codes to help everyone and to encourage economic growth.

    Having established that the reason we have an enormous debt is more-so because of the fact that we SPEND too much rather than TAX enough, it is impossible to avoid cuts in the areas most responsible.

    We already know that if we raised taxes 100% on the super rich that it would only make a tiny dent in both the deficits and the debt, so no matter how much you complain and try to provoke class warfare and fear-mongering, these are necessary measures no matter which way it is diced.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    RickRick91 saidFLIP
    FLOP.

    This loser is desperately trying to unsay stuff he's already on the record as saying.

    It's a tough choice between Romney Perry and Ryan to decide which one is the biggest flip-flopper.

    Call it a four-way tie.
    Anyway you slice it, they're all losing options for America.


    Nope, this has always been his position from day 1. He has always talked about closing all of the tax break loopholes for the wealthiest and corporations as part of his plan while simultaneously bringing overall taxes down to encourage business growth.

    You just never understood it and now you're bitter.


    I agree that he has advocated this plan in several forms.

    The problem is that while the GOP leadership will allow this discussion to get the base energized, the congressional GOP will never consider such a plan. Corporate America pays the bills and will not agree to closing the loopholes. It wouldn't pass Congress. Like many things proposed by both parties, it SOUNDS good but it won't ever become law.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 1:52 PM GMT

    lol at Mock's 'appease the masses'. Who are they?

    Oh right, the American people..
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidWe already know that if we raised taxes 100% on the super rich that it would only make a tiny dent in both the deficits and the debt, so no matter how much you complain and try to provoke class warfare and fear-mongering, these are necessary measures no matter which way it is diced.

    The charming and amusing thing about you is that you actually believe crap like this. No one else does, but you're steadfast. The public has rejected Ryan's budget, even the Republicans have steadily edged away from it, but you continue to beat the drum for it even though it's full of arrant nonsense.

    Deeeelightful.


    Why do you call it "crap" when you know very well that cuts have to be made regardless. We have this problem because we spend too much, period.

    Even you agree with me that we should cut military spending which could positively impact our budget. Nevertheless, we would need to inevitably cut spending in other areas which will ultimately affect the people you allude to as the "most vulnerable". If anyone remotely responsible is suggesting any kind of tax hikes in this economy, the proposal would have to be for it to solely go against our enormous debt. Is that truly what you are implying we do with the tax increases, or are you suggesting that we raise taxes and use that revenue to CONTINUE our unsustainable overspending and do nothing about the debt? For liberals to try to fool voters into believing that conservatives are interested in "seizing" their benefits and giving everything they have to the rich is just plain dishonest. It's about facing up to reality and rejecting fantastical ideas that we can just go on our merry way while the super rich fund everything.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    lol at Mock's 'appease the masses'. Who are they?

    Oh right, the American people..




    Whatever happened to respecting the will of "We The People"?
    The TPRepubs were spewing out that line ad nauseum over the last 2-3 years.
    Now that they're controlling the House, suddenly they don't give a shit about the will of the American people!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    a huge portion of national debt and budget expenses goes to the military complex for wasteful wars, manipulation interprises for corporate dominance (oil interests) by brought to us by the CIA and hundreds of worthless military bases.

    Where are Ryans 'equal' cuts and 'sharing the pain' on these budget line items? Maybe we should listen to the NEO CONS and add war with Iran and cut more from the poor, who take money from "keeping us safe", or is that to keep the military suppliers rich?

    After all its the far righters with God on their side backing Ryan and Republicans austerity cuts for the poor while feeding more and more toward the military. This is all another example of Right is Wrong, Left is Right and Up is Down and the christian talaban sheeples keep right on buying it all to their own demise.

    There's a balance to all of this and Ryans plan is lopsided toward those who can least affort to pay, taking on most of the 'pain' If his plan cut equal amounts from the Military/Pentagon, the very rich and corps as what he has coming from the less fortunate, then he'd have my approval, but of course then he wouldn't have the TBaggers backing him, nor the Military complex, nor the AIPAC/NEO CON crowd backing him neither. A little reading over just a few weeks and you'll see this picture being painted quite clearly, you can always follow the money.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 6:52 PM GMT
    RickRick91 said
    meninlove said
    lol at Mock's 'appease the masses'. Who are they?

    Oh right, the American people..




    Whatever happened to respecting the will of "We The People"?
    The TPRepubs were spewing out that line ad nauseum over the last 2-3 years.
    Now that they're controlling the House, suddenly they don't give a shit about the will of the American people!


    Look where "the will" of Greece's people got them. They have brought their crisis on themselves. We need to educate people to not listen to individuals like yourself so that they won't simply vote for their personal gain but rather for the well-being of the country at large and long-term.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidLook where "the will" of Greece's people got them. They have brought their crisis on themselves. We need to educate people to not listen to individuals like yourself so that they won't simply vote for their personal gain but rather for the well-being of the country at large and long-term.

    When you people start talking about "the well-being of the country", the rest of us reach around to see if our wallets are still in our back pockets.


    Well join the club! I have to worry about that every time a democrat gets elected!
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Sep 15, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
    When you people start talking about "the well-being of the country", the rest of us reach around to see if our wallets are still in our back pockets.


    Well join the club! I have to worry about that every time a democrat gets elected!

    So that means you weren't worried when the last administration nearly brought the world's economies to a screeching halt?
    That didn't seem to bother you none?
    When the Federal Govt had to pony up hundreds of billions to stop a worldwide collapse? ... that was a cinch?

    Sweetheart ,,,, either you got you priorities a bit askew .... or you're freakin' nuts
    Now which one is it? Huh?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 15, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    RickRick91 said
    meninlove said
    lol at Mock's 'appease the masses'. Who are they?

    Oh right, the American people..




    Whatever happened to respecting the will of "We The People"?
    The TPRepubs were spewing out that line ad nauseum over the last 2-3 years.
    Now that they're controlling the House, suddenly they don't give a shit about the will of the American people!


    Look where "the will" of Greece's people got them. They have brought their crisis on themselves. We need to educate people to not listen to individuals like yourself so that they won't simply vote for their personal gain but rather for the well-being of the country at large and long-term.





    LOL!
    How hypocritical.
    You vote Repub because you want the tax cuts they promise - so YOU vote for "personal gain".
    Even though the Bush tax cuts have added 2.5 trillion to the National Debt!

    Obviously, you greedy me-first Repubs have put your own "personal gain" ahead of "the well-being of the country".
    Your "deficits don't matter " Repub presidents have added 3 trillion dollars more to the National Debt than the Dems have - by giving unnecessary tax cuts to the rich that haven't created a strong economy or strong job growth.
    But, you STILL want those tax cuts - BECAUSE YOU STILL CARE MORE ABOUT PAYING AS LITTLE TAXES AS POSSIBLE THAN YOU DO ABOUT DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR AMERICA.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 16, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    RickRick91 said
    meninlove said
    lol at Mock's 'appease the masses'. Who are they?

    Oh right, the American people..




    Whatever happened to respecting the will of "We The People"?
    The TPRepubs were spewing out that line ad nauseum over the last 2-3 years.
    Now that they're controlling the House, suddenly they don't give a shit about the will of the American people!


    Look where "the will" of Greece's people got them. They have brought their crisis on themselves. We need to educate people to not listen to individuals like yourself so that they won't simply vote for their personal gain but rather for the well-being of the country at large and long-term.


    talk about changing the subject.

    Americans are the subject; Greece is another subject. Focus.

    icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 16, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    GQjock said When you people start talking about "the well-being of the country", the rest of us reach around to see if our wallets are still in our back pockets.


    Well join the club! I have to worry about that every time a democrat gets elected!

    So that means you weren't worried when the last administration nearly brought the world's economies to a screeching halt?
    That didn't seem to bother you none?
    When the Federal Govt had to pony up hundreds of billions to stop a worldwide collapse? ... that was a cinch?

    Sweetheart ,,,, either you got you priorities a bit askew .... or you're freakin' nuts
    Now which one is it? Huh?


    the clubs being served are exclusive,socially regressive and inhibit growth and progress.

    There are a lot more people excluded from your club than included.