Dietary Supplement Labeling Act (bill 1310) This affects all of you.

  • jperfit

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    Sep 14, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    Sen. Richard Durbin has proposed a bill which would propose needless restrictions and regulations on the supplement industry; its not the bill itself that is the problem its what is in the bill, i am research assistant for a Dr. of Naturopath and I am familiar with what this bill will do to the industry, this effects you guys and everyone whom uses supplementation as part of their daily program; many of you will probably not care till you walk into your favorite nutritional store and look for your product which may no longer be their because it falls under the list of raw materials that the governments says is dangerous for humans which is pretty ridiculous since all raw materials b4 they are manufactured or placed in any formulas goes through many months/years of clinical trials on every level, I am urging you guys to contact your legislators and oppose S.1310, you may go to http://www.npainfo.org/ click on the advocacy link to find out more information, you may also scroll to the bottom of the npainfo.org page and fill in the letter which will be sent to your legislators should you want to oppose this bill, your comments below would be appreciated.
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    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text

    About time.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768The DSHEA has not ensured that hazardous dietary supplements will be identified or removed from the market in a timely fashion. I believe that Congress should give the FDA the requisite authority and resources to regulate dietary supplements so that the public can make well-informed decisions regarding the potential risks and benefits of consuming such supplements. Until that happens, millions of Americans will continue to be exposed to unacceptable risks in exchange for purported but unproven health benefits.
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    Sep 15, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidhttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text

    About time.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768The DSHEA has not ensured that hazardous dietary supplements will be identified or removed from the market in a timely fashion. I believe that Congress should give the FDA the requisite authority and resources to regulate dietary supplements so that the public can make well-informed decisions regarding the potential risks and benefits of consuming such supplements. Until that happens, millions of Americans will continue to be exposed to unacceptable risks in exchange for purported but unproven health benefits.


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    q1w2e3 saidhttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text

    About time.

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768The DSHEA has not ensured that hazardous dietary supplements will be identified or removed from the market in a timely fashion. I believe that Congress should give the FDA the requisite authority and resources to regulate dietary supplements so that the public can make well-informed decisions regarding the potential risks and benefits of consuming such supplements. Until that happens, millions of Americans will continue to be exposed to unacceptable risks in exchange for purported but unproven health benefits.


    Thanks man


    Lol thank me later after you read the NEJM opinion. icon_lol.gif
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    jperfit saidSen. Richard Durbin has proposed a bill which would propose needless restrictions and regulations on the supplement industry; its not the bill itself that is the problem its what is in the bill, i am research assistant for a Dr. of Naturopath and I am familiar with what this bill will do to the industry, this effects you guys and everyone whom uses supplementation as part of their daily program; many of you will probably not care till you walk into your favorite nutritional store and look for your product which may no longer be their because it falls under the list of raw materials that the governments says is dangerous for humans which is pretty ridiculous since all raw materials b4 they are manufactured or placed in any formulas goes through many months/years of clinical trials on every level, I am urging you guys to contact your legislators and oppose S.1310, you may go to http://www.npainfo.org/ click on the advocacy link to find out more information, you may also scroll to the bottom of the npainfo.org page and fill in the letter which will be sent to your legislators should you want to oppose this bill, your comments below would be appreciated.
    I'm FOR it.. Sorry but health comes before dollars.
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:00 AM GMT
    I still remember this remarkable article in JAMA about Ayurvedic meds:
    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/292/23/2868.full?sid=b4d49bba-a9e6-4dd7-9a7a-73c30b4ef117One of 5 Ayurvedic HMPs produced in South Asia and available in Boston South Asian grocery stores contains potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury, and/or arsenic. Users of Ayurvedic medicine may be at risk for heavy metal toxicity, and testing of Ayurvedic HMPs for toxic heavy metals should be mandatory.
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:05 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI still remember this remarkable article in JAMA about Ayurvedic meds:
    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/292/23/2868.full?sid=b4d49bba-a9e6-4dd7-9a7a-73c30b4ef117One of 5 Ayurvedic HMPs produced in South Asia and available in Boston South Asian grocery stores contains potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury, and/or arsenic. Users of Ayurvedic medicine may be at risk for heavy metal toxicity, and testing of Ayurvedic HMPs for toxic heavy metals should be mandatory.


    Their is arsenic in apple juice that people drink, the only difference is its organic, their is also high levels of mercury in canned fish; has anyone died from Ayurvedic? CDC reported no deaths related to anyone with regards to supplements since being monitored in 2008/2009. I really don't think you guys understand the industry and the testing that is applied many of which are performed in FDA approved labs, i wish you guys could be that concern with regards to many of the drugs that the FDA has approved that has KILLED thousands each year b4 someone finally decides to address it, i wish
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:23 AM GMT
    11337S saidjohn mxxain tried to bring something up along these very same lines
    he wanted to get rid of all vitamins,
    (if i read correctly)

    http://www.naturalnews.com/028257_Senator_McCain_dietary_supplements.html


    this country is really pushing a WHOLE lot of buttons
    under the name of 'laws' and 'freedom'
    but i think they're about to see a whole lot of anarchy on their hands
    if they keep this shit up.


    yeah he did propose a similar bill which was ridiculous, many people were outraged and McCains office was flooded with hate mail and phone calls that he ended up removing the proposal from the table, we need this to happen again with this bill, the bill is not in the best interest of the public
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    Durbin is a Dick.

    This is more bullshit regulation designed to suck money out of the economy.
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    q1w2e3 saidI still remember this remarkable article in JAMA about Ayurvedic meds:
    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/292/23/2868.full?sid=b4d49bba-a9e6-4dd7-9a7a-73c30b4ef117One of 5 Ayurvedic HMPs produced in South Asia and available in Boston South Asian grocery stores contains potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury, and/or arsenic. Users of Ayurvedic medicine may be at risk for heavy metal toxicity, and testing of Ayurvedic HMPs for toxic heavy metals should be mandatory.


    Their is arsenic in apple juice that people drink, the only difference is its organic, their is also high levels of mercury in canned fish; has anyone died from Ayurvedic? CDC reported no deaths related to anyone with regards to supplements since being monitored in 2008/2009. I really don't think you guys understand the industry and the testing that is applied many of which are performed in FDA approved labs.


    I hope you're serious.

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    Am I saying that all Ayurvedic meds have heavy metals? No.
    But the fact that it took a major study to show that 1 out of 5 of them have dangerous levels of heavy metals is exactly why S.1310 is relevant. It requires that the supplements' composition be printed.

    If you knew that a certain Ayurvedic medication has high levels of lead in it because the label says so, would you still take it?

    What is happening right now is that the FDA has to go after each contaminated supplement's manufacturer AFTER somebody else has tested it for contaminants. God only knows how many supplements that have contaminants are NOT tested and get sold everyday. By the time they are recalled, damage is already done.

    This act will require ALL of them to be tested and appropriately labelled within a reasonable amount of time after being on the market. (I actually think 1 year is too long, it should be more like 6 months)

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    Sep 15, 2011 1:37 AM GMT
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    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 saidI still remember this remarkable article in JAMA about Ayurvedic meds:
    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/292/23/2868.full?sid=b4d49bba-a9e6-4dd7-9a7a-73c30b4ef117One of 5 Ayurvedic HMPs produced in South Asia and available in Boston South Asian grocery stores contains potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury, and/or arsenic. Users of Ayurvedic medicine may be at risk for heavy metal toxicity, and testing of Ayurvedic HMPs for toxic heavy metals should be mandatory.


    Their is arsenic in apple juice that people drink, the only difference is its organic, their is also high levels of mercury in canned fish; has anyone died from Ayurvedic? CDC reported no deaths related to anyone with regards to supplements since being monitored in 2008/2009. I really don't think you guys understand the industry and the testing that is applied many of which are performed in FDA approved labs.


    I hope you're serious.

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    Am I saying that all Ayurvedic meds have heavy metals? No.
    But the fact that it took a major study to show that 1 out of 5 of them have dangerous levels of heavy metals is exactly why S.1310 is relevant. It requires that the supplements' composition be printed.

    If you knew that a certain Ayurvedic medication has high levels of lead in it because the label says so, would you still take it?

    What is happening right now is that the FDA has to go after each contaminated supplement's manufacturer AFTER somebody else has tested it for contaminants. God only knows how many supplements that have contaminants are NOT tested and get sold everyday. By the time they are recalled, damage is already done.

    This act will require ALL of them to be tested and appropriately labelled within a reasonable amount of time after being on the market. (I actually think 1 year is too long, it should be more like 6 months)



    The labeling part of the bill is fine, no one is arguing that but as i said, I reviewed the bill and its what in it that is not fine, all raw materials after 1994 will be pulled from shelves per gov't regulations and these materials will not be sold to the public should it fall on the list that the FDA will impose, things as common as resveratrol, tumeric even coQ10 which the body makes would be pulled under this type of bill, the only reason why Durbin is proposing such a bill is because he has it in tight with big pharma lobbyist and they have complained that more and more people and turning towards holistic remedies and condition specific nutrition and relying less and less on drugs which makes big pharma nervous, Durbin could care less about your health or anyone's for that matter, he is doing this for the lobbyist and if you think its for u the people than support the bill but in the end it will be a big mistake and not one u can go back and correct.
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:38 AM GMT
    I happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    I also read Jama,pubmed and many, many others, its part of my job what your not understanding is that the FDA already has certain guidelines set up that all nutritional companies must meet and all reputable nutritional companies meet and exceed the guidelines as well as follow good manufacturing practices by providing the exact amounts of all raw materials that go into any formula, you donot seem to realize just how much money goes into the quality control and testing of these materials not to mention the clinical trials, doubleblind studies, vitro and many others b4 any raw material is brought to market
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    Doctors are on the side of the pharmaceutical companies because without them they would be no business.
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    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    I also read Jama,pubmed and many, many others, its part of my job what your not understanding is that the FDA already has certain guidelines set up that all nutritional companies must meet and all reputable nutritional companies meet and exceed the guidelines as well as follow good manufacturing practices by providing the exact amounts of all raw materials that go into any formula, you donot seem to realize just how much money goes into the quality control and testing of these materials not to mention the clinical trials, doubleblind studies, vitro and many others b4 any raw material is brought to market


    Sigh, if ALL manufacturers are as law-abiding as you say, the problems mentioned here would not have happened (remember we're not just talking about supplements made in the US, but also in other countries):

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768
    Read this in full.
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    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    Doctors are on the side of the pharmaceutical companies because without them they would be no business.


    God, don't get me started on this. Colcrys is one of the most egregious use of the FDA's rules by a pharma company that I know. I don't agree with it at all.

    (And yes, I listen to Journal Watch while driving to work):
    http://general-medicine.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2010/610/1
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    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    I also read Jama,pubmed and many, many others, its part of my job what your not understanding is that the FDA already has certain guidelines set up that all nutritional companies must meet and all reputable nutritional companies meet and exceed the guidelines as well as follow good manufacturing practices by providing the exact amounts of all raw materials that go into any formula, you donot seem to realize just how much money goes into the quality control and testing of these materials not to mention the clinical trials, doubleblind studies, vitro and many others b4 any raw material is brought to market


    Sigh, if ALL manufacturers are as law-abiding as you say, the problems mentioned here would not have happened (remember we're not just talking about supplements made in the US, but also in other countries):

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768
    Read this in full.



    What are u talking about bro? the bill if for here, the U.S. other countries have their own regulations.
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    jperfit said
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    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    I also read Jama,pubmed and many, many others, its part of my job what your not understanding is that the FDA already has certain guidelines set up that all nutritional companies must meet and all reputable nutritional companies meet and exceed the guidelines as well as follow good manufacturing practices by providing the exact amounts of all raw materials that go into any formula, you donot seem to realize just how much money goes into the quality control and testing of these materials not to mention the clinical trials, doubleblind studies, vitro and many others b4 any raw material is brought to market


    Sigh, if ALL manufacturers are as law-abiding as you say, the problems mentioned here would not have happened (remember we're not just talking about supplements made in the US, but also in other countries):

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768
    Read this in full.



    What are u talking about bro? the bill if for here, the U.S. other countries have their own regulations.


    But for foreign-made supplements to be sold in the US, they will need to conform to labeling by US law.

    And there are examples of US companies inserting drugs into their supplements and later forced by the FDA to recall them after being found out. They are not very infrequent in medical news, e.g. especially with weight loss drugs.

    And the many double blind studies and clinical trials obviously are not done by unscrupulous manufacturers who make false claims to make a quick buck (google it):
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16467558/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/diet-pill-makers-fined-millions-false-claims/#.TnFc2tT6e9U
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:03 AM GMT
    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 said
    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 saidI happen to subscribe to JAMA as a member of the AMA. I don't read every single article from abstract to conclusion, but this one caught my eye as a fellow, and I still remember it.

    And read the NEJM commentary if you think it's just Ayurvedic meds.

    You're seriously mistaken if you think doctors routinely get "kickbacks" from anybody.


    I also read Jama,pubmed and many, many others, its part of my job what your not understanding is that the FDA already has certain guidelines set up that all nutritional companies must meet and all reputable nutritional companies meet and exceed the guidelines as well as follow good manufacturing practices by providing the exact amounts of all raw materials that go into any formula, you donot seem to realize just how much money goes into the quality control and testing of these materials not to mention the clinical trials, doubleblind studies, vitro and many others b4 any raw material is brought to market


    Sigh, if ALL manufacturers are as law-abiding as you say, the problems mentioned here would not have happened (remember we're not just talking about supplements made in the US, but also in other countries):

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0904768
    Read this in full.



    What are u talking about bro? the bill if for here, the U.S. other countries have their own regulations.


    I don't know if your just dumb or blind to the fact that the supplement industry doesn't have a problem with the LABELING LAW, its whats in the bill, you have not read the bill so maybe u just dont understand and as far as the link you referred to buying imported nutritional supplements is just dumb all raw materials from reputable companies are designed in labs here in the U.S. not in other countries, many raw materials can be grown in other countries but the testing is done here, what else u got?
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:05 AM GMT
    OK, please quote from the bill your claim about the raw materials:
    S. 1310, Dietary Supplement Labeling Act of 2011
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidOK, please quote from the bill your claim about the raw materials:
    S. 1310, Dietary Supplement Labeling Act of 2011
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text


    That bill that your link is referencing is just an overview, that is not the whole bill in its entirety, a lot of pertinent information is left out.
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    q1w2e3 saidOK, please quote from the bill your claim about the raw materials:
    S. 1310, Dietary Supplement Labeling Act of 2011
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text


    That bill that your link is referencing is just an overview, that is not the whole bill in its entirety, a lot of pertinent information is left out.


    No, that is the bill in its entirety. Another source:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1310:

    Are you referring to the last paragraph:

    (c) Conventional Foods- The Secretary of Health and Human Services, not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act and after providing for public notice and comment, shall establish a definition for the term `conventional food' for purposes of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.). Such definition shall take into account conventional foods marketed as dietary supplements, including products marketed as dietary supplements that simulate conventional foods.
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:25 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    jperfit said
    q1w2e3 saidOK, please quote from the bill your claim about the raw materials:
    S. 1310, Dietary Supplement Labeling Act of 2011
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1310/text


    That bill that your link is referencing is just an overview, that is not the whole bill in its entirety, a lot of pertinent information is left out.


    No, that is the bill in its entirety. Another source:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1310:

    Are you referring to the last paragraph:

    (c) Conventional Foods- The Secretary of Health and Human Services, not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act and after providing for public notice and comment, shall establish a definition for the term `conventional food' for purposes of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.). Such definition shall take into account conventional foods marketed as dietary supplements, including products marketed as dietary supplements that simulate conventional foods.


    Their is a piece of the bill missing that reference materials marketed after 1994, I will look for it and post the link
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    i read through it and all related articles... what am i missing. far as i see it seems to be the way things already are with how the products are. they just require more stringent registration and labeling... what am i missing?
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:37 AM GMT
    The_Dollarwine saidi read through it and all related articles... what am i missing. far as i see it seems to be the way things already are with how the products are. they just require more stringent registration and labeling... what am i missing?


    The labeling law is cool, the industry doesn't have a problem with that, most all reputable nutritional companies follow those guidelines already, its the fact that the gov't wants to pull all products created with certain raw materials after 1994 that they deemed not fit to sell to public when these raw materials have undergone years and years of clinical trials, studies and testing, its redundant