"The People Can Always Be Brought To The Bidding Of The Leaders..."

  • metta

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    Sep 15, 2011 8:05 AM GMT
    "The People Can Always Be Brought To The Bidding Of The Leaders..."

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    "The People Can Always Be Brought To The Bidding Of The Leaders. That is Easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

    - Hermann Goering
    Hitler's Reichsmarschall
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    Sep 15, 2011 11:06 AM GMT
    metta8 said"The People Can Always Be Brought To The Bidding Of The Leaders..."

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    "The People Can Always Be Brought To The Bidding Of The Leaders. That is Easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

    - Hermann Goering
    Hitler's Reichsmarschall




    This is exactly what several of us have been saying that the Bush/Cheney conspiracy theories were made to order for and backed up 'or fed to them' by their NEO CON instigators.
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    Sep 15, 2011 11:49 AM GMT
    The fact that civil liberties were undermined by the "Patriot Act" is rather a pointer....
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    Sep 15, 2011 11:59 AM GMT
    If anything, this has been more a tool of the left than the right. Oscar Wilde: "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" applies. It was throughout the debate over the Iraq war that the slogan 'dissent is patriotic' was accepted on the left and right - of course at the time, many on the right believed this was an idea that would only be accepted if dissent was coming from the left.

    Now, on the issues of tax cuts, domestic policy, guess who are the ones raising the issues of patriotism?

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/08/obamas-tests-patriotic-themes-in-midwest/1

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/07/22/obama-makes-debt-case-town-hall-friday

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/14/you-must-prove-your-love-for-obama-america/

    Of course this makes a lot of sense - that it's advocates of greater government power who need to demand the patriotism of their people.
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    Sep 15, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
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    riddler78 saidIf anything, this has been more a tool of the left than the right.

    Name one modern example of a populace whipped into a patriotic frenzy by the left due to an imaginary physical threat.

    You just think you can say anything and people will buy it. It's your contempt for the intelligence of everyone else that makes you such a nasty piece of work.
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    riddler78 saidIf anything, this has been more a tool of the left than the right.

    Name one modern example of a populace whipped into a patriotic frenzy by the left due to an imaginary physical threat.

    You just think you can say anything and people will buy it. It's your contempt for the intelligence of everyone else that makes you such a nasty piece of work.


    Do you consider the USSR modern? What about Venezuela? Cuba? North Korea (especially)? Bolivia? Are you both really that poorly versed in modern times?
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    Sep 15, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
    Goering`s point is very apposite to modern times.It explains how we have gotten ourselves in such a mess,economically,socially,even morally.
    All governments,even democracies,prefer an easy life with a compliant,unquestioning population.The actual mechanism can vary;an internal/external threat,private debt,etc.The only difference is that the methods are more subtle in the democracies(force is rarely used,propaganda -far superior than in a dictatorship- is usually employed),but the end is similar.
    In Britain,any dissent on the run up to the Iraq war/the 'war on terror' was often portrayed as 'unpariotic' by Blair`s (center right) government.The Left here didn`t see dissent as 'patriotic'.
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    Sep 15, 2011 4:06 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    riddler78 said
    jprichva said
    riddler78 saidIf anything, this has been more a tool of the left than the right.

    Name one modern example of a populace whipped into a patriotic frenzy by the left due to an imaginary physical threat.

    You just think you can say anything and people will buy it. It's your contempt for the intelligence of everyone else that makes you such a nasty piece of work.


    Do you consider the USSR modern? What about Venezuela? Cuba? North Korea (especially)? Bolivia? Are you both really that poorly versed in modern times?

    1. No, the USSR is not modern.
    2. Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia: no evidence that the populace has been whipped into a patriotic frenzy. Just because a regime oppresses its own people doesn't make it fit in this category.
    3. North Korea is not a leftist state. While there is some 'whipping the people into a frenzy' there, North Korea has more in common with traditional fascism than with
    leftist ideology.

    In fact, there are no 'leftist' states in current existence. Cuba, N. Korea, Venizuela---all deeply authoritarian/totalitarian, and each may have begun ages ago with some sort of leftist theory, each has devolved into classic right-wing thugocracy.

    Are you really this ignorant of political science and the realities of world politics?
    (Rhetorical, of course you are. Plus you're not the sharpest crayon in the box to begin with.)


    So says the pot to the kettle icon_rolleyes.gif. The one who seems particularly poorly versed in political science is only you - given your inability to understand the relationship between fascism and communism and their intellectual roots. It's always somewhat amusing watching you attempt to spin the ideals of smaller government and reduced spending as advocated by many on the right, as being part of the thugocracy - while increased spending and increased government interventions are democracy in action. There's plenty of evidence of patriotic frenzy in places like Venezuela, Bolivia and Cuba - just because you haven't looked, doesn't mean it does not exist. The thugs in those cases? Entirely bought and paid for tools of the state.

    That you can't even tell the difference is telling of your intellectual bankruptcy or the shallow depth of your knowledge on the issues.
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    Sep 15, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI give up. You're as dumb as a box of rocks, you're proud of that, you prance around flaunting it, you defy anyone to disabuse you of any of your pet stupidities, you're truculent, and you're completely hopeless. Even most right-wingers aren't as dedicatedly brainless as you.

    Good luck, idiot.


    Said the pot to the kettle icon_rolleyes.gif. That you enjoy wallowing in your ignorance is of absolutely no surprise to me.
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    Sep 15, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    jprichva saidI give up. You're as dumb as a box of rocks, you're proud of that, you prance around flaunting it, you defy anyone to disabuse you of any of your pet stupidities, you're truculent, and you're completely hopeless. Even most right-wingers aren't as dedicatedly brainless as you.

    Good luck, idiot.


    Said the pot to the kettle icon_rolleyes.gif. That you enjoy wallowing in your ignorance is of absolutely no surprise to me.


    I found a picture of you on the internet:

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    Lol - are you sure you weren't looking in a mirror? icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 15, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    In this era we live in, particularly since the NEO CONS gained such influence in our Government particularly with Bush/Cheney, what used to be left is now right and what used to be right is now left, Up is down, down is up, and the media puts across to the confused and easily led public, only what their corporate owners wants them to know.

    It used to be the fascists, or despotic tirants on far left who would do the waterboarding, hiding prisoners to torture them in ways to get the 'truth' they wanted to hear, then follow it up with signatures and a promise of release. The USA Hung some Japanese for such tactics.

    Conservatives representing the right in those days were aghast at the very thought of such a thing, But enter Reagans promoters bringing religion into the picture to get the fundamentalists votes and by the time Bush/Cheney comes along, God is on our side no matter how many recognized lies were told to promote an Iraq war, and since God is on our side torture to these righties is now right, waterboarding is no longer torture, because our side is doing it. and the patriotic thing to do is back our leaders Bush/Cheney no matter what far left they've taken up and labeled it as 'right' because its our side and god is with us. Polls were taken and some 75% + of self Identified Christiand Fundamentalist approved of torture tactics of Bush Cheney, as apposed to under 10% of those on the left, Today your on the left if you want to save SS, and on the right if you clap and yell out at Republican debate, "let him die" (speaking of the example re; a 30 yr old without insurance) As I said, today up is down, right is wrong, its all backwards.

    I'f you'd lived very long you'd easily see just how upside down and backwards things are which again proves the OP's old Nazi statement was true again and used by Bush/Cheney very effectively.

    It makes little difference whether far left or far right has used it, its a rotten tactic, whether it works or not, maybe even worse when used under the far right regimes all in the name of god, country and supposed flag waving blind patriotism