Kara Kennedy daughter of Sen Ted Kennedy & Eleanor Mondale daughter of Walter Mondale yesterday both women died of cancer, both died at the age of 51. When do you think we can find the cure for cancer?

  • str8hardbody9

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    Sep 17, 2011 11:05 PM GMT
    icon_sad.gif Two women from a prominent family and died at young age. It's truly a heart-breaking. My aunt & my uncle died of cancer this year. It just break my heart. They are both very close to me. I know they don't want to die and tried hard to find a cure, chemo etc but it did not work. It was unfortunate that the health care system here in the US are not advance enough compare to other country like Germany & Israel.
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    Sep 17, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    There have been some very promising leads lately where you use suicide gene therapy to cure the cancer. I think the experiment was done only on a couple of people, but it has been very successful. It's in the trial's stage now. A cure for most types should be found in our life times.
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    Sep 17, 2011 11:10 PM GMT
    According to this guy, the cure is baking soda.

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    Sep 17, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
    saidThere have been some very promising leads lately where you use suicide gene therapy to cure the cancer. I think the experiment was done only on a couple of people, but it has been very successful. It's in the trial's stage now. A cure for most types should be found in our life times.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/health/13gene.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

    Doctors removed a billion of his T-cells -- a type of white blood cell that fights viruses and tumors -- and gave them new genes that would program the cells to attack his cancer. Then the altered cells were dripped back into Mr. Ludwig's veins.

    At first, nothing happened. But after 10 days, hell broke loose in his hospital room. He began shaking with chills. His temperature shot up. His blood pressure shot down. He became so ill that doctors moved him into intensive care and warned that he might die. His family gathered at the hospital, fearing the worst.

    A few weeks later, the fevers were gone. And so was the leukemia.
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    Sep 18, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    Cancer is a check on the virus that can be humanity.

    In other words, population control in the form of natural selection: for all of our supposed wisdom and accumulated knowledge, even our species cannot escape Nature's checks on our proliferation.

    Though we do give - and are giving - the ol' bitch a run for her money fo' damned sure. icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 18, 2011 1:12 AM GMT
    Cancer treatments in Israel are YEARS ahead of the United States.

    Israel has among the world's highest cancer survival rates for two reasons:

    1. Healthcare in Israel is a RIGHT for all citizens, not some commodity to be bought and sold like gold or oil; and

    2. Israel has a VERY progressive policy of government funding promising research that is not at the political whims of Big Pharma.

    Telomer based stem cell treatments bolster the body's ability to repair it's own DNA by using naturally occurring RNA enzymes to repair the genetic defects that cause cancer.

    Call your Senators and Congressmembers (who are probably in the pocket of Big Pharma) and tell them to legalize telomer based stem cell treatments in the US that have been effectively banned in the Us as they are "experimental" and "dangerous."

    There is NO MONEY in curing cancer. .

    We have "treatements" here in the US that cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (radiation, chemo, etc) that cause more side-effects than they get rid of.

    This is what happens in a profit driven healthcare system that commoditized the very people it attempts to "help."

    End rant.
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    Sep 18, 2011 1:36 AM GMT
    Inostrankan saidCancer treatments in Israel are YEARS ahead of the United States.

    No they are not.

    American men have a 66% survival rate after 5 years compared to 61% for Israeli men and 51% for Arab Israeli men and 47% for European men and 45% for British men.

    American women have a 63% survival rate after 5 years compared to 56% for European women and 67% for Israeli women and 65% Arab Israeli women and 53% for women.

    http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596/
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/study-israel-has-among-highest-cancer-survival-rates-in-the-west-1.6181

    Thus, it seems that universal health will in fact decrease your chances of surviving. Of course there are other factors such that US has better ways of treating cancer. US survival rates are even higher than Canada's.

    You can not use Israel as a comparison to US for many reason, chief among them that they are very small compared to US and because there is less genetic diversity, some types will be more prevalent then others. This may not be the same for US. It would be interesting to see the statistics for Israeli-Americans. Some lifestyle habits are much worse in the US than in Israel.
    Furthermore:
    In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
    The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.
    and this is despite the large number of uninsured in the US. More drugs are available earlier for US patients than other countries. Treatment wait times are much lower in the US.

    Telomere based stem cell treatment is not banned in the US. Federal funding for embryonic stem cell was banned for a short period of time.

    HIV and cancer have the highest federal funding for all medical research. What makes you think there is no money in curing cancer?

    You must notice that you had all those vaccines as a child, and continue to get some even now. But vaccinations have not been banned even though profit for treating the diseases they protect against will generate money.

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    Inostrankan saidCancer treatments in Israel are YEARS ahead of the United States.

    No they are not.

    American men have a 66% survival rate after 5 years compared to 61% for Israeli men and 51% for Arab Israeli men and 47% for European men and 45% for British men.

    American women have a 63% survival rate after 5 years compared to 56% for European women and 67% for Israeli women and 65% Arab Israeli women and 53% for women.

    http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596/
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/study-israel-has-among-highest-cancer-survival-rates-in-the-west-1.6181

    Thus, it seems that universal health will in fact decrease your chances of surviving. Of course there are other factors such that US has better ways of treating cancer. US survival rates are even higher than Canada's.

    You can not use Israel as a comparison to US for many reason, chief among them that they are very small compared to US and because there is less genetic diversity, some types will be more prevalent then others. This may not be the same for US. It would be interesting to see the statistics for Israeli-Americans. Some lifestyle habits are much worse in the US than in Israel.
    Furthermore:
    In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
    The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.
    and this is despite the large number of uninsured in the US. More drugs are available earlier for US patients than other countries. Treatment wait times are much lower in the US.


    Interesting.
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    Sep 18, 2011 4:50 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidCancer is a check on the virus that can be humanity.

    In other words, population control in the form of natural selection: for all of our supposed wisdom and accumulated knowledge, even our species cannot escape Nature's checks on our proliferation.

    Though we do give - and are giving - the ol' bitch a run for her money fo' damned sure. icon_razz.gif


    Try saying that to some one's face who's lost a loved one or many loved ones to cancer.

    Tempted to call you a dick.
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    Sep 18, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
    I guess finding a cure for cancer would be ok... but at present, cancer is one of the few cures we have for a Kennedy (other than letting them ski, drive cars, or fly planes). So I'm not sure.

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    Sep 18, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    What, too soon?
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    SFYogi saidTry saying that to some one's face who's lost a loved one or many loved ones to cancer.

    Tempted to call you a dick.


    I've lost several friends and relatives to cancer.

    And I'm just stating the facts: there are some things which Nature uses to keep our numbers in check.

    Prior to the advent of modern medicine (Big Pharma in particular) the things that checked our numbers were wars, famines, and natural disasters along with the occasional plague and other apex predators that got the drop on us.

    Since medicine allows us to live in excess of 70 years (in whatever manner one might regard having any sort of quality of life in a nursing home) on the average, our great killers are cancer and obesity.

    And yeah... I guess it's a dick thing to say, but it really doesn't diminish the truth of it.
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    Sep 18, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    True. Once someone reaches 60, he's just waiting around to find out what kind of cancer he will die of eventually.

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    Sep 18, 2011 6:01 AM GMT
    I reckon you're right - and I wish neither weal nor woe either toward the late Ms. Kennedy or the late Ms. Mondale or their respective houses; my observation was not politically motivated.

    I do confess to having a slight misanthropic streak that rears its ugly head from tine to time, and unfortunately, it gets the better of both me and my judgment, and so my barbed tongue may find itself directed at humanity in general.

    To my deep chagrin, I find that ofttimes we do seem to (as a species) be more of a blight than a blessing on this planet.
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    Sep 18, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
    An Immune System Trained to Kill Cancer

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1815673

    HIV virus used to turn white blood cells into cancer serial killers

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1774971


    'Crocus drug' studied for cancer treatment

    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/09September/Pages/crocus-drug-studied-cancer-treatment.aspx

    I think that it might also help if we do what we can to minimize the use of chemicals that are known to cause cancer in our daily lives, such as chlorine bleach.

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    Sep 18, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    Inostrankan saidCancer treatments in Israel are YEARS ahead of the United States.

    Israel has among the world's highest cancer survival rates for two reasons:

    1. Healthcare in Israel is a RIGHT for all citizens, not some commodity to be bought and sold like gold or oil; and

    2. Israel has a VERY progressive policy of government funding promising research that is not at the political whims of Big Pharma.

    Telomer based stem cell treatments bolster the body's ability to repair it's own DNA by using naturally occurring RNA enzymes to repair the genetic defects that cause cancer.

    Call your Senators and Congressmembers (who are probably in the pocket of Big Pharma) and tell them to legalize telomer based stem cell treatments in the US that have been effectively banned in the Us as they are "experimental" and "dangerous."

    There is NO MONEY in curing cancer. .

    We have "treatements" here in the US that cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (radiation, chemo, etc) that cause more side-effects than they get rid of.

    This is what happens in a profit driven healthcare system that commoditized the very people it attempts to "help."

    End rant.


    I totally agree, my friend is from Israel and he was telling me how good the health care system in his country. How come we can't do it here in the US?
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    Sep 18, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Remember meeting Kara Kennedy when she came to Spokane, WA, to help campaign for her Uncle 'Ted' - Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) in 1980 when he was running for president. Such a nice person.

    Cancer is not one disease but actually a series of diseases like skin, testicular, or breast cancer just to name three. We have made great strides in fighting these terrible diseases, largely through early testing and detection for treatment. This is probably how we are going to fight these diseases. As opposed to say polio (infantile paralysis) when the Salk-Sabin vaccines came into exisistence in the mid 1950's.
  • metta

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    Sep 27, 2011 6:54 AM GMT
    I don't know if there is a point to going this direction....

    Ecstacy 100% Proven To Kill Cancer Cells

    http://sflchronicle.com/news/health/2011/08/ecstacy-100-proven-to-kill-cancer-cells/
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    Sep 27, 2011 7:21 AM GMT
    Whenever an article uses the term "prove" and study in the same sentence I never bother to read it.

    The study is far more limited than they let on and its based on work he started in 2002. Its limited to B cell type cancers and involves serotonin transport systems, so in theory we should be seeing this in antidepressants as well.

    This research is great, but we are a long way from a "cure."
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    Sep 27, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    For breast cancer at least, there may be a better screening method. There is growing concern that while screening does save lives, mammography presents risks of its own. Some even suggest that increased screening levels may be contributing to the rise in illness.

    First and obvious is the radiation. Second is the compression can cause rupture of malignant cells that may already be present. Thermography may be a better alternative, at least for primary routine screening. If an abnormality is observed with this safe technology then a more thorough screening is done.

    http://www.breastthermography.com/breast_thermography_mf.htm
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    Sep 27, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
    Short answer: it depends.

    Long answer.....

    First, a bunch of disclaimers: I'm not a physician, and my work is much more on the molecular basis of cancer (rather than treatment), but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

    As one of the earlier posters mentioned, "cancer" is really a bunch of different diseases that are grouped together under a single umbrella. What they have in common is that the delicate balancing act that characterizes our entire lives is disrupted: some cell type starts multiplying where or when it shouldn't.

    Our bodies are constantly replacing certain cells that have naturally short lives (blood cells, for example); if that replacement process gets out of whack, and more are produced than need to be, you end up with something like a leukemia. In other cases, where the tissue is naturally long-lived and slow-dividing (such as the neurons in your brain), almost any extra proliferation can cause problems. (Such as a tumor.)

    So why then is there not a single explanation or treatment for cancer? A drastic oversimplification that might be helpful is to picture the process like the rigging of an old-time sailing ship: hundreds of ropes, pulleys, sails, and people all working together. There are lots of things that can go wrong: a rope breaks, a pulley slips, someone trips and falls. The end result might be the same, in that the ship fails to go where it's supposed to, but the exact causes are different.

    Now imagine that every single person on Earth is a slightly different ship, with similar but not identical ropes, crews, hulls, and sail materials, sailing different parts of the ocean, at different times of the year, in all different weather conditions. Some are well-maintained, some not.

    So while we have a reasonable definition of cancer (too many cells where they shouldn't be) the causes (and fixes) can be quite different from type to type, or even person to person. Some are easier to treat because the root cause is known, and there's only one thing "broken"; others are more difficult because something complicated (or several complicated things) aren't working as they should.

    So I have great hope that as we uncover patterns in how various cancers start and continue, there will be better and better treatments for certain types. I personally don't think there's a single general mechanism underlying all of these diseases, so there won't be a one-size-fits all "cure" for cancer anytime soon, but I can easily see a thousand different cures, eventually.

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    Sep 27, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidCancer is a check on the virus that can be humanity.

    In other words, population control in the form of natural selection: for all of our supposed wisdom and accumulated knowledge, even our species cannot escape Nature's checks on our proliferation.


    Well, my mom died of cancer this March at the age of 67. And since she'd already passed on her genes to me and my two siblings, your positively grotesque claim that cancer is a natural selection mechanism is laughable (most people get cancer well after propagation age). I've seen your other posts, and I know you're capable of being brighter than this, so wise up and stop being a fucking dick.