Could it be Curtains for the GOP?

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    May 15, 2008 3:53 AM GMT
    Check this out.

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/GOP_democrats/2008/05/14/95969.html?

    The key to victory is the moderates. There will always be hard core Democrats and Republicans at either end of the spectrum but it's the moderates who are the deciders.

    We Republicans haven't done a very good job of holding on to them lately. Lets see how you Democrats do.

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    May 15, 2008 5:48 AM GMT
    All the signs and portents point to a blood bath this fall for the Repubs. And the Repubs themselves know this. Anyone who isn't too lazy to use Google can see this in spades in a matter of minutes.

    But John, there's always hope. Democrats have had a history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory too many times to count. Even tho all the wind is at the Demo's backs, I will be really nervous until I actually see both houses and the exec branch back in Democratic hands in Jan.

    Things like hearing Hillary say:

    “No. No, there is nothing to base [the rumor that Obama is a Muslim] on. ... As far as I know

    and

    "Senator Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again"

    and

    Clinton campaign volunteers forwarding emails that said "Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

    and

    Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama wouldn't be where he was today if he wasn't black

    and...

    Oh well this is a very very long list.

    Let's just say I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the Demos don't self destruct. If they do once again I think I'll shoot myself.

    K
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    May 15, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    I think Republicans will struggle this election season, but anyone who's ever been down and out knows it just takes a little re-tooling to be up and in.

    Power corrupts everyone (seemingly) equally, so I won't be surprised when Democratic scandals (again) are played up to shift the balance of power back.

    But, it's telling that these red districts have gone blue. People are pissed at the war, at cronyism, economic ineptitude, and the Old White Boy guard who never seems to see the rest of the people not drawing dividends from oil, pharmaceutical, agriculture, arms and chemical.
  • HereNBoston

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    May 15, 2008 1:23 PM GMT
    The coming elections are for the democrats to lose. They definitely have a lot go on for making their case. but they're also pretty damn good at losing elections.
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    May 15, 2008 1:40 PM GMT
    Regardless of how the presidential race turns out, I can't see how the GOP can stop their bleeding in the house and senate. Polling indicates the Dems could easily pick up around 25 seats to their already sizable majority in the house. In the senate the GOP could possibly unseat Mary Landrieu. The could Tim Johnson possibly, but no one wants to run against him. The GOP stands to lose 5-6 senators though.

    The GOP stuck with Bush and showed their loyalty and it worked for them when they creamed the Dems in 2004. But with his approval ratings in the low 30's for two years straight (a new record as of last week) the loyalty game isn't going to work this year. The special election results is big news and does not bode well for the GOP.
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    May 15, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    I just read that the repubs just lost a special election to congress in I believe it was Mississippi to a Democrat. The democratic congress would have their popularity up in at least the 70% range if they could have found their "SPINE" as soon as they were elected as majority leaders in 2006, to end the war, and bring some accountability to the bushies law brakeing. But the spineless wonders have given in all along to Bush and the minority repubs in the house and senate just about on all fronts. If they keep this spineless trend up they will find themselves the losers in the future with no-one to blame but themselves. for now they have gotten away with blaming the repubs for not making progress on the issues they were elected to accomplish, but this excuse won't last much past this coming election. God I hope the Dems start making some much needed changes this coming year, but only time will tell. If they don't, I'm afraid that the "pendulum swing" back to the repugs will come much sooner. As much as I want to see progressive changes, I would not want to bet on them though !!!!
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 15, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    The whole problem with the GOP is that they are too right wing and too dominated by the narrow-minded, bible thumping wackos. The continued support of the disastrous, costly war in Iraq by many republicans has also done some serious damage. Now if the democrats seize the golden opportunity by nominating Barack Obama as their candidate then depending on how Obama campaigns against McCain, the white house could easily fall back into democratic hands this november. If the democrats make the horrendous mistake of nominating Hillary Clinton, then be prepared for a overwhelming McCain victory which would mean four more long years of the GOP in the white house.
  • jarhead5536

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    May 15, 2008 11:35 PM GMT
    Any losses by the Republican party in November can be laid at the feet of Shrub and no one else. Cultural conservatism is alive and kicking in America. Democratic supremacy is caused by near universal anger at the (p)Resident, not some sort of ideological "aha!" going through our society. Maybe it's because I'm Southern, but I don't see huge cultural shifts towards social justice ocurring as long as anyone born before 1965 is still alive in rural America.
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    May 15, 2008 11:39 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidAny losses by the Republican party in November can be laid at the feet of Shrub and no one else. Cultural conservatism is alive and kicking in America. Democratic supremacy is caused by near universal anger at the (p)Resident, not some sort of ideological "aha!" going through our society. Maybe it's because I'm Southern, but I don't see huge cultural shifts towards social justice ocurring as long as anyone born before 1965 is still alive in rural America.


    Some truth in this, jarhead, but rural America has also got other demographic trends going against it too. The immigrant population is overwhelmingly Democratic, even though they may come from a conservative Hispanic culture.

    The fact is that the Republicans have made it clear that the "li'l brown ones" are an easy target, and--apparently unlike some of our gay brethren--they are not interested in supporting a party that views them as Dangerous, Other, and Unwelcome.
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    May 16, 2008 8:25 PM GMT
    There is nothing like gaining power in tough times to boost the other parties popularity. The Democrats could be taking over the presidency and the congress at a very inopportune time. Let us see how well (or badly) they do with the power levers, before we start writing the GOP's obituary.
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    May 16, 2008 8:27 PM GMT
    In my best Spongebob voice:

    NO MORE GAYS ON POTTIES?!?!?!?
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    May 16, 2008 10:33 PM GMT
    One thing that I forgot -- there's tactical issues, and then there's strategic issues.

    By tactical, I mean event to event, election to election, sex scandal to sex scandal. These will occur on a regular basis and will either be handled or not handled by either party. So while the discussion here has mostly been on tactical stuff, specifically the impending doom this fall, I don't think that's what the Repubs should really be worried about.

    The strategic problems are much more serious. Since the Demos lost the South by supporting civil rights in the Lyndon Johnson era, the genetics of the Repubs have grown ever more white and male. Today there is not a SINGLE black Republican in either house of Congress. Women are an insignificant presence at all levels of the party -- from voters all the way to national elected leaders. Today the Repubs are essentially the party of white males (who, since Reagan, tend to pompously lecture on moral issues).

    The Republican "Brand" as Newt and Rove are fond of saying lately is not only sullied by the Worst President Ever (according to every single poll out there), it has serious structural problems because, as the party of white men, it's constituency is becoming smaller and smaller.

    The future of this country (like it always has been since it was founded) is in the immigrants. For the past generation or so, most of those immigrants are and will continue to be non-white in ever increasing numbers. White folks are already no longer a majority in California. Where California goes, so goes the nation. And as it goes, it's not interested in voting for the party of white guys. This is what I think represents the real potential for the destruction of the GOP as it's currently constituted.

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    May 16, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    And when the GOP finally dies, I'll be smirking like Ethel Rosenberg smirking over Roy Cohn's death in Angels in America, which I just watched again last night.

    Wotta actress, that Mary Stripe.
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    May 16, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    iguanaSF said

    The future of this country (like it always has been since it was founded) is in the immigrants. For the past generation or so, most of those immigrants are and will continue to be non-white in ever increasing numbers. White folks are already no longer a majority in California. Where California goes, so goes the nation. And as it goes, it's not interested in voting for the party of white guys. This is what I think represents the real potential for the destruction of the GOP as it's currently constituted.



    Yes. I think that they also forgot to take into account that for every illegal they want to throw back across the border, there are several voters who depend on their labor for their own livelihood and convenience. Where I grew up in Eastern Washington the agricultural industry is greatly dependent upon migrant labor. More and more of those farmers that once solidly voted republican, are now viewing that party as a direct threat to their livelihood. When you threaten the farmers, you threaten all the businesses that depend on them within their community. I think their pandering to the red-neck-single-wide-trailer-meth-lab-NASCAR vote has alienated the red-neck rural faming community vote.
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    May 17, 2008 2:17 PM GMT
    Ethel Rosenberg? I think it's ridiculous to mourn the death of that traitor. She and Julius got off too easy with the chair.

    Why do you Democrats hate America?




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    May 17, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    We don't hate America, we hate those non-patriotic repugnicans.
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    May 17, 2008 2:33 PM GMT
    Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; it's conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom?
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    May 17, 2008 5:30 PM GMT
    John43620 saidWhy do you Democrats hate America?


    John, do you actually truly believe this? Or are you just name calling.

    If you're name calling, it's one thing -- it's just insulting. I don't mind people trying to insult me or yelling loudly, it's just a signal that there isn't really any substantive argument left in them and they're falling back to elementary school tactics.

    But if you actually believe this, there's really nothing left to say, it's just so off this planet.

    PS I'm not a Democrat.
    PPS Nor am I a Republican.
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    May 17, 2008 6:22 PM GMT
    Iguana, no I'm not name calling. Do you recall the young black man who asked President Bush after Katrina hit, "why do you hate Black People"? Of course it isn't true but I just wanted the Democrats to understand the hypocrisy of their argument.







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    May 17, 2008 6:34 PM GMT
    I am old enough to remember that the GOP almost ceased to exist once before. Everybody was writing it off.

    This time the problem is (or, was) that when they controlled too much of the government, they werent protected from their own excesses.

    They way overreached in their governing
    ...way over tax-rebated the rich,
    ...way over let GWB poorly execute a war,
    ...way over covered for Cheney's Machiavellian managing style,
    ...way over relied on irrational, "good old boy," "dumb is smarter," popular sentiment,
    ...way over relied on the religious right.

    Now all of that has failed so spectacularly, they are going to take a drubbing in this election.
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    May 17, 2008 6:55 PM GMT
    John43620 saidIguana, no I'm not name calling. Do you recall the young black man who asked President Bush after Katrina hit, "why do you hate Black People"? Of course it isn't true but I just wanted the Democrats to understand the hypocrisy of their argument.


    O.K...? If that is what Kanye said then you both sound like idiots.

    But I'm pretty sure he said that "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

    How was he way off base by saying that. The vast majority of the people affected by Katrina were black people and Bush did an absolutely disgraceful job at protecting and aiding them.

    Either he doesn't care about black people, or he is tremendously incompetent. What's worse?

    And what is the hypocrisy of the Democratic argument?
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    May 17, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said costly war in Iraq by many republicans has also done some serious damage. Now if the democrats seize the golden opportunity by nominating Barack Obama as their candidate



    Most of what Rob said I would agree with.... with the exception of the phrase "Obama and golden opportunity".
    That I disagree with.....
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    May 17, 2008 7:08 PM GMT
    revkinoes said[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]Iguana, no I'm not name calling. Do you recall the young black man who asked President Bush after Katrina hit, "why do you hate Black People"? Of course it isn't true but I just wanted the Democrats to understand the hypocrisy of their argument.

    O.K...? If that is what Kanye said then you both sound like idiots.

    But I'm pretty sure he said that "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

    How was he way off base by saying that. The vast majority of the people affected by Katrina were black people and Bush did an absolutely disgraceful job at protecting and aiding them.

    Either he doesn't care about black people, or he is tremendously incompetent. What's worse?

    And what is the hypocrisy of the Democratic argument?



    Was it just black people who got the short end of the aid stick after Katrina?

    I think N.O. got the worse of being left unaided. But I think Mississippi wasnt taken care of very well, either. Altho Miss. got way more help than N.O.

    Race may have been a part of it. But I think politics may have been more. N.O. is Democratic and the rabid Republicanism and stupidity of this Administration is likely to have been more of a factor on who got aid and who didn't.

    Republicans have never been known to be able to govern. They are too inflexible. They can only see issues in black and white. They are immobilized if they have to operate outside of dogma.

    Which is why for 40 years the Congress was Democratic. You can't run a Congress if you can't compromise. Republicans don't do well outside of being president, where they can have a set-in-concrete platform. But they don't survive unless they have a Democratic Congress to save them from their own excesses.
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    May 17, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    On the subject of moderation and government .. (sorry just had to do it)

    Tao Te Ching (59)For governing a country well
    there is nothing better than moderation.

    The mark of a moderate man
    is freedom from his own ideas.
    Tolerant like the sky,
    all-pervading like sunlight,
    firm like a mountain,
    supple like a tree in the wind,
    he has no destination in view
    and makes use of anything
    life happens to bring his way.

    Nothing is impossible for him.
    Because he has let go,
    he can care for the people's welfare
    as a mother cares for her child.
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    May 18, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    The Republicans need to shake the right wing, religious fundamentalists and the war mongers to bring it back in focus for most Americans.