Building strength vs. Building mass

  • Jiggle525

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    Sep 19, 2011 7:54 PM GMT
    I have been doing a strength training regimen for the last 4 months... I am beginning to plateau. I'm trying to mix up my exercises to overcome this and continue to build strength.

    But I'm disheartened that I'm already plateauing and still nowhere near the size I want.

    How do I build mass while maintaining my strength? It would seem that after a few weeks if dedicated mass building exercise, I'd start to lose the gains I made in strength.

    I've already made considerable gains in mass simply with strength training and eating constantly. I've had to buy an entirely new wardrobe, my old clothes don't fit anymore! So I am thrilled with what I've achieved and don't want to lose it.

    Thanks for the tips! Looking forward to being part of this community.
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    Sep 19, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    When you say "eating consistently" how often and how much?
  • Jiggle525

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    Sep 19, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    Breakfast @ 8:30:
    2 turkey sausage, egg and cheese sandwiches on wheat English muffins
     
    Mid-morning snack @ 10:30:
    Natural peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat
    Cup of non-fat, sugar free yogurt
    1 serving of Muscle Milk (20g protein)
     
    Lunch @ 12:30:
    Turkey sandwich on wheat with cheese (1/3-lb. of turkey)
    2 servings of steamed vegetables
     
    Mid-afternoon snack @ 3:30:
    Natural peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat
    Cup of non-fat, sugar free yogurt
    1 serving of Muscle Milk (20g protein)
     
    Pre-workout @ 6:
    Rockstar energy drink (sugar free or Recovery)
     
    Post-workout:
    1 serving of Muscle Milk (20g protein)
     
    Dinner @ 8:30:
    Varies (last week at a 1/2 –lb. cheeseburger and ear of corn each night)
  • Latenight30

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    Sep 19, 2011 8:18 PM GMT
    You have to confuse the muscles. Do a different type of work out. Cut Reps and Add a 4th set.
    Try drops or pyramids.
    Now that the muscles are where they are, you have break them down again.
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
    I never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!


    Chainers you naughty boy - I almost choked on my breakfast! Lol
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!

    Here here. There is a lot to be said for practical, functional strength. Looking pretty only gets you so far when you are in survival mode. Though the "pick-me-up-and-fuck-me-against-the-wall" benefit is nice, too. icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    LVmotoJock said
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!

    Here here. There is a lot to be said for practical, functional strength. Looking pretty only gets you so far when you are in survival mode. Though the "pick-me-up-and-fuck-me-against-the-wall" benefit is nice, too. icon_smile.gif


    Yes it is nice in deed, in fact it is why I like muscle men. I prefer a man with raw power over big muscles. Then again, huge muscles never turn me on...
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:37 PM GMT
    Muscle confusion is the best way to break through a plateau. Adding plyometrics and calesthenics is a great way to shock your muscles into growth mode again. Every once in a while, do crazy super-sets or incorporate different muscles into compound movements, especially your core muscles. Get creative, but make sure that what you are doing makes sense.
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    LVmotoJock said
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!

    Here here. There is a lot to be said for practical, functional strength. Looking pretty only gets you so far when you are in survival mode. Though the "pick-me-up-and-fuck-me-against-the-wall" benefit is nice, too. icon_smile.gif


    Yes it is nice in deed, in fact it is why I like muscle men. I prefer a man with raw power over big muscles. Then again, huge muscles never turn me on...


    ^5
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!

    Hence why I train for strength over size hahaha, I've picked up guys bigger then me and done that to'em icon_biggrin.gif

    Latenight is right if your plateauing you need to start something new, it doesn't have to be major just different to what your used too, you can decrease the reps and increase sets if you want or you can try an entirely new routine.

    If you change to a hypertrophy routine for a few weeks you wont notice any real loss in terms of strength since your still working out consistently and as intensely as normal except your rest will be shorter and you'll have more reps
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    LVmotoJock said
    Chainers said
    LVmotoJock said
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!

    Here here. There is a lot to be said for practical, functional strength. Looking pretty only gets you so far when you are in survival mode. Though the "pick-me-up-and-fuck-me-against-the-wall" benefit is nice, too. icon_smile.gif


    Yes it is nice in deed, in fact it is why I like muscle men. I prefer a man with raw power over big muscles. Then again, huge muscles never turn me on...


    ^5


    lol thanks man.

    Plus most of those muscle men are pumped on roids, which is so not hot.

    Give me a real man any day of the week.
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    Sep 19, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!


    dude, i saw that in a porn once. hot as FUCK. i want a guy to pick me up, flip me upside down, and do a vertical 69...rawr!
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    Work in some eccentric exercises into your routine. This will really mess with your muscles.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 20, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    You're typical of most guys. The body reacts easily to the stress of working out early on by building quick muscle mass. Then the grind begins. Unless you're cranking steroids, that mass is going to grow slowly and can take 10 years to get you looking like you want to. I'm concerned about the sausages and jelly sandwiches too. Have you consulted a trainer, or a dietician, at all in this quest?
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Latenight30 saidYou have to confuse the muscles.
    That's where I have the unfair advantage.
    Mine get confused trying to figure out 2+2.
    Maybe the OP should tattoo E=MC^2 on his biceps. Then tattoo the answer on his back.
    That should confuse his muscles sufficiently. icon_biggrin.gif
  • stratavos

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    Sep 20, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    Chainers said
    joe122 saidI never understood the point of strength training unless you're an olympic lifter or an athlete/fighter. I say just focus on building mass and stop worrying about your strength.


    Some people want to do something with that muscle instead of just look at it. Like pick me up and fuck me on the wall. That shit is alpha!


    I have to agree with chainers, I like the idea of being able to lift up my lovers :p
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    Sep 20, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    im trying to get some mass too. I am trying the shock the muscles thing. Maybe it will work
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    Sep 20, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    Strength training vs. muscle mass.

    Some of us actually profit from strength training when doing (omgosh) actual labor out on the land.

    Building fence, chopping firewood, laying pipe... All good areas where my strength has been much more important than my mass.

    And I have yet to see any man weighing more than 200# keep up with me at elevations between 10,000 and 14,000' above sea level, even on the easy hikes. All the big guys tend to peter out after the fifth hour of sustained cardio at those heights icon_smile.gif My cardio average is 10 hours above 12,000'. Usually just two or three short breaks on those days.

    Just sayin- there is more to life than the gym alone!
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    Sep 20, 2011 4:17 AM GMT
    You could be over-training as well, you have to give your body rest (well we all do) but the fact that you are lifting weights plus the normal running around, work and play and all that you have to do, your mind and body are screaming for a break. you should be getting at least 9-10 hrs of sleep on your work out days plus at least 2 days of non lifting, just a suggestion.
    You might want to consider adding a weight gainer into your diet, if your trying to get bigger and stronger. Its alot easier than having to make meals all the time plus the added benefits of getting creatine, glutamine and potassium which your body sweats out in buckets when your lifting. You should also (and maybe your doing this anyway) try taking creatine and or glutamine by themselves with water before and after your workouts.

    But also you have to be patient, usually it takes 6 months to a year to effectively add on mass. You could do the whole shock your muscles thing by doing diff. types of workouts like negatives, or pyramids. Or 100s, look it up, its a difficult work out designed to shock a particular body part by ... you guessed doing a 100 reps, but there is more to it than that.
    Again just recommendations , im no expert, but maybe you just need to take a long break from the gym, let your body and mind rest. Your not gonna look like what you want anytime soon , trust me ...unless you want to fuck around with steroids.
  • Jiggle525

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    Sep 20, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Thanks everyone for the feedback! Gives me lots to think about... (and lots of things to Google! LOL)