The Grownup Lady Gaga...

  • calibro

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    Sep 19, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    This isn't an anti-Gaga thread (I love me some bad romance). But St. Vincent's new album, Strange Mercy, is out and I think it's pop perfection (for the moment). Annie Clark plays with the themes and production Gaga does and is lyrically edgy and inventive the way Robyn is (and why critics love her). Her voice is haunting and stronger than most of the pop artists out there, her music is nuanced in intelligence and latency, and she is kicking some ass on an electric guitar and synth. This is the lead single from the album (though the album is totally unique and the songs are quite different from each other). I think this is what happens to pop music when it grows up to go to college.

  • dancedancekj

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    Sep 19, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    Eh, I got bored halfway through.

    Part of the appeal of Lady Gaga is the over the top, heady, ridiculousness of it all. She puts it all out there and just fucking goes to town. Flaming pianos, eight inch stilettos, flashing lights, sequined glasses, mermaids in Nebraska - it's not supposed to be grown up.

    Annie Clark is not a bad singer, but she's just another face in the crowd. She most likely won't get past the hipster audience, who although loyal, will not make her the powerhouse that Lady Gaga is numberwise.

    Lady Gaga also is a phenomenal vocal artist and entertainer. I think vocal for vocal, she would drown out Annie by a long shot. To say nothing of her theatricality choices either.

    Funny enough, St. Vincent seems to be rather cliche to me.
  • calibro

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    Sep 19, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    11337S saidi actually dig this.. minus the synthesizer.
    actually, i only like the angelic bits
    but this isn't music 'when it grows up and goes to college'
    robyn sucks the hugest camel dicks
    and she will never be hot
    not matter how many of u think she's cool
    this is music for when hipsters go to college
    it's fucking annoying, is what it is.


    i love you preface hotness with music. aren't you the same person in love with britney spears? look, nothing against britney and the likes, but if britney spears were an author, she'd be stephanie meyers: read by many people, a guilty pleasure, but universally acknowledged as a hack in terms of actual ability. so i don't expect you to know a thing about music orchestration or lyrical composition. it would be like asking you to read the sound and the fury and you calling it trash because you didn't understand it.
  • calibro

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    Sep 19, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidEh, I got bored halfway through.

    Part of the appeal of Lady Gaga is the over the top, heady, ridiculousness of it all. She puts it all out there and just fucking goes to town. Flaming pianos, eight inch stilettos, flashing lights, sequined glasses, mermaids in Nebraska - it's not supposed to be grown up.

    Annie Clark is not a bad singer, but she's just another face in the crowd. She most likely won't get past the hipster audience, who although loyal, will not make her the powerhouse that Lady Gaga is numberwise.

    Lady Gaga also is a phenomenal vocal artist and entertainer. I think vocal for vocal, she would drown out Annie by a long shot. To say nothing of her theatricality choices either.

    Funny enough, St. Vincent seems to be rather cliche to me.


    i don't think st. vincent will ever be mainstream, and i don't think annie clark cares to be. i have nothing against gaga: i think she's wonderful. but as great of a voice as she has and as wonderful as a performance artist that she is (on top of being an amazing person), her work is mostly formulaic in terms of its composition and and her lyrics are predictable. she lacks the edge in her music writing that she maintains in her image, which is where St. Vincent is the opposite.

    I don't see anything cliche about a song about a woman kidnapped by a family, not made to their liking, them trying to kill her multiple times, and finally burying her alive-- a statement that also reflects on the idea of the role of women in society. while lady gaga was some very positive messages in her lyrics, she's never once critiqued anything that complexly in metaphor.
  • calibro

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    Sep 19, 2011 10:52 PM GMT
    11337S said
    calibro said
    11337S saidi actually dig this.. minus the synthesizer.
    actually, i only like the angelic bits
    but this isn't music 'when it grows up and goes to college'
    robyn sucks the hugest camel dicks
    and she will never be hot
    not matter how many of u think she's cool
    this is music for when hipsters go to college
    it's fucking annoying, is what it is.


    i love you preface hotness with music. aren't you the same person in love with britney spears? look, nothing against britney and the likes, but if britney spears were an author, she'd be stephanie meyers: read by many people, a guilty pleasure, but universally acknowledged as a hack in terms of actual ability. so i don't expect you to know a thing about music orchestration or lyrical composition. it would be like asking you to read the sound and the fury and you calling it trash because you didn't understand it.


    tell me more, o, musical genius.
    has thoueth goneth yeteth to thyeth lyre practiceth?


    o.k., so here's criminal:

    He is a hustler
    He's no good at all
    He is a loser, he’s a bum, bum, bum, bum
    He lies, he bluffs
    He's unreliable.
    He is a sucker with a gun, gun, gun, gun

    here's cruel:

    You were the one
    Waving flares in the air
    So they could see you
    And they were the zephyr
    Blowing past you
    Blowing faster
    Til they can't see you

    so yes, this is what i mean when pop music grows up and goes to college.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:17 PM GMT
    I don't understand how this is pop. Nor do I understand how it is good, so boring...
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    Meh.
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
    The new St. Vincent album is great! I am in love with the song Surgeon.
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    Surgeon. Wait until near the end. Insane.

  • calibro

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    Sep 20, 2011 1:13 AM GMT
    11337S said
    calibro said
    11337S said
    calibro said
    11337S saidi actually dig this.. minus the synthesizer.
    actually, i only like the angelic bits
    but this isn't music 'when it grows up and goes to college'
    robyn sucks the hugest camel dicks
    and she will never be hot
    not matter how many of u think she's cool
    this is music for when hipsters go to college
    it's fucking annoying, is what it is.


    i love you preface hotness with music. aren't you the same person in love with britney spears? look, nothing against britney and the likes, but if britney spears were an author, she'd be stephanie meyers: read by many people, a guilty pleasure, but universally acknowledged as a hack in terms of actual ability. so i don't expect you to know a thing about music orchestration or lyrical composition. it would be like asking you to read the sound and the fury and you calling it trash because you didn't understand it.


    tell me more, o, musical genius.
    has thoueth goneth yeteth to thyeth lyre practiceth?


    o.k., so here's criminal:

    He is a hustler
    He's no good at all
    He is a loser, he’s a bum, bum, bum, bum
    He lies, he bluffs
    He's unreliable.
    He is a sucker with a gun, gun, gun, gun

    here's cruel:

    You were the one
    Waving flares in the air
    So they could see you
    And they were the zephyr
    Blowing past you
    Blowing faster
    Til they can't see you

    so yes, this is what i mean when pop music grows up and goes to college.


    wow, u proved such a strong point with all of your musical genuis, i'm going to go now and sit in my place where you haz putteth me with all of your musical knowledge and comparison that has stung into my overinflated musical ego with all of your knowdlege again, leaving me to feel resentful with nothing but envious.

    for your giftness.


    i believe it was salinger who said it best: sarcasm is a sign of weakness. there's no point with arguing with you. you don't like st. vincent fine. i'm not going to break down dissonance and talk about the shifts, nor am i going to get into the traditional ballad structure and use of imagery. you don't (seem) to have a musical background in theory or performance and you clearly don't come from a literary one.
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    Sep 20, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    This is interesting. Definitely much more so than Gaga (whom I never could stand).

    But if you want to talk about pop music going to college, you should really consider Imogen Heap. From her clever lyrics to her unique instruments (mbira, hang, water harp, etc) to the fact that she writes/records/engineers/produces/performs/ et all on her own... she never lip syncs and she plays many instruments in the same song (sometimes at the same time via looping). she's leaps and bounds ahead of any other pop artist.



  • dancedancekj

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    Sep 20, 2011 3:21 AM GMT
    thenes saidThis is interesting. Definitely much more so than Gaga (whom I never could stand).

    But if you want to talk about pop music going to college, you should really consider Imogen Heap. From her clever lyrics to her unique instruments (mbira, hang, water harp, etc) to the fact that she writes/records/engineers/produces/performs/ et all on her own... she never lip syncs and she plays many instruments in the same song (sometimes at the same time via looping). she's leaps and bounds ahead of any other pop artist.





    Agreed on Imogen Heap. She is in a category all on her own I feel. Amazing, amazing artist.