DADT Will Officially END Tomorrow

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    Sep 19, 2011 8:55 PM GMT
    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/09/ap-for-gay-troops-changes-precede-end-of-dadt-091811/

    Tomorrow will be an historic day I wasn't at all sure would ever come.
  • creature

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    Sep 19, 2011 11:03 PM GMT
    Thank you President Obama and the members of Congress who voted for the repeal. It will definitely be a historic day.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:24 PM GMT
    That should shut up the gay guys cribbing about Obama administration not doing anything for gay rights and those who vote for republicans just to save money in taxes.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    I will be attending a celebration and speaking tomorrow eve. The saddest part of this entire ordeal is that the majority of the community could care less. I find that highly offensive and apathetic.
  • hebrewman

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    Sep 19, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    well, what concerns me is if it is ever revived. you know how the pundits can be...... either way, may it never raise it's ugly head again. good riddance DADT. i heard on npr this evening that there is a waiting list for the booted out to be let back in the marine corps. DADT got rid of a lot of great talent.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:35 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidI will be attending a celebration and speaking tomorrow eve. The saddest part of this entire ordeal is that the majority of the community could care less. I find that highly offensive and apathetic.


    Likewise; I will be attending a rally at the same location we had a candlelight vigil when DADT was put on the books in 1993. It's nice to see the end of this error.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:43 PM GMT
    hebrewman saidwell, what concerns me is if it is ever revived. you know how the pundits can be...... either way, may it never raise it's ugly head again. good riddance DADT. i heard on npr this evening that there is a waiting list for the booted out to be let back in the marine corps. DADT got rid of a lot of great talent.
    And kept a great deal more away.
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    Sep 19, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
    Well, yes, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) is going to be repealed tomorrow. However, what a lot of people not in the military do not realize is that people can still get kicked out for homosexual acts. The policy of DADT will be gone, but the underlying ruling that people are punished under is the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

    Article 125 – Sodomy

    Text.

    “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

    (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
    Elements.

    (1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

    (2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

    (3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

    Explanation.

    It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

    ***
    With that being said, if someone openly admits to being homosexual, and under oath, they admit to the above, they can still receive a dishonorable discharge. Until the UCMJ is amended, there’s still a looming threat of being removed because of one’s sexuality.

    Just an FYI from someone in the military...
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 20, 2011 12:02 AM GMT
    If they start enforcing the sodomy ban, they will have to throw out all the straight people, too. Sodomy includes oral and anal sex even if you're straight.
    Then no one will be left to defend the country.
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    Marvel_X saidWell, yes, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) is going to be repealed tomorrow. However, what a lot of people not in the military do not realize is that people can still get kicked out for homosexual acts. The policy of DADT will be gone, but the underlying ruling that people are punished under is the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

    Article 125 – Sodomy

    Text.

    “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

    (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
    Elements.

    (1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

    (2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

    (3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

    Explanation.

    It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

    ***
    With that being said, if someone openly admits to being homosexual, and under oath, they admit to the above, they can still receive a dishonorable discharge. Until the UCMJ is amended, there’s still a looming threat of being removed because of one’s sexuality.

    Just an FYI from someone in the military...
    As soon as the Senate gets off its ass and passes the FY 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, portions of Article 125 will be stricken from the UCMJ forever....
    Congress passed this in May of this year.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Sep 20, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    creature saidThank you President Obama and the members of Congress who voted for the repeal. It will definitely be a historic day.


    Absolutely! Thank you very much Mr. President!! After a short celebration regarding the end of DADT, then we need to focus on ending DOMA.

    Agree, guys???
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    That will be (repealing DOMA) a most challenging task for Congress.

    Or another SCOTUS, assuming various court cases concerning marriage equality rights are elevated to receive certiorari for review.

    And assuming Obama gets re-elected and gets appoint a few more socially liberal justices.

    None of these are givens, and it is quote likely that the red states / congressional districts will feel strong influence from the religious reactionaries to blunt any further steps toward marriage equality.
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
    Marvel_X saidWell, yes, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) is going to be repealed tomorrow. However, what a lot of people not in the military do not realize is that people can still get kicked out for homosexual acts. The policy of DADT will be gone, but the underlying ruling that people are punished under is the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

    Article 125 – Sodomy

    Text.

    “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

    (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
    Elements.

    (1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

    (2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

    (3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

    Explanation.

    It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

    ***
    With that being said, if someone openly admits to being homosexual, and under oath, they admit to the above, they can still receive a dishonorable discharge. Until the UCMJ is amended, there’s still a looming threat of being removed because of one’s sexuality.

    Just an FYI from someone in the military...


    Meh, appreciate the concern but this article was addressed in the briefing as well. That shit's going away. UCMJ's gonna be changed.
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    Sep 20, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    We'll see if the bill passes, which usually isn't until January timeframe, with that provision in tact, which usually isn't until January timeframe usually. Until then, what I said still holds true. Thanks for the unnecessary dissention though...

    And it's not a concern, just stating the facts.
  • fitartistsf

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    Sep 20, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
    I work as a civilian graphic artist for the US Air Force (as well as being former US Navy enlisted). A few months ago, my command and office, in fact the whole base, at Edwards AFB, Ca., had to go to manditory training about the repeal of DADT, and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). It was to inform us, both civilian AND military, what to expect after the repeal. The sodomy statutes will be changed, struck off the Code. The only remaining statutes regarding relations between active duty service members, will be about fraternization amongst the ranks: no officers and enlisted will be allowed to be intimate. (sex, dating, etc.) The sodomy statutes will disappear.
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    Sep 20, 2011 3:44 AM GMT
    18 more minute!

  • Little_Spoon

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    Sep 20, 2011 3:45 AM GMT
    It's also my Birthday!
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    Sep 20, 2011 3:45 AM GMT
    fitartistsf saidI work as a civilian graphic artist for the US Air Force (as well as being former US Navy enlisted). A few months ago, my command and office, in fact the whole base, at Edwards AFB, Ca., had to go to manditory training about the repeal of DADT, and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). It was to inform us, both civilian AND military, what to expect after the repeal. The sodomy statutes will be changed, struck off the Code. The only remaining statutes regarding relations between active duty service members, will be about fraternization amongst the ranks: no officers and enlisted will be allowed to be intimate. (sex, dating, etc.) The sodomy statutes will disappear.
    well doomsday marvelx here doubts it.. I however don't. Its gone, period.
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    Sep 20, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    Little_Spoon saidIt's also my Birthday!


    Happy Birthday handsome guy!
  • sdgymjock

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    Sep 20, 2011 3:55 AM GMT
    Just put this on my FB and saw the thread so I thought I would share. 5 min left and counting till its officially GONE!!


    Tomorrow will go down as one of the most historic days for equal rights in my lifetime thus far. It will be compared to the moment 63 years ago when President Truman ordered the services to end racial segregation. I have served in silence for 8 years and no longer have to bear that burden in fear of losing my career. I encourage everyone to make an effort to attend a repeal party wherever you can and thank those who have fought long and hard to end this discriminatory policy once and for all by reposting this and spreading the word.

    Sept 20th 2011 will be a day I never forget. I fight for this country, its citizens, and myself. I will sacrifice my life to defend them all. I am proud to be a member of the armed forces and I am proud to be gay. I now can do both with Honor, Courage and Commitment.

    "We love, we bleed, we fight, we cry, at the end of the day we are all people too".. - Garcia.

  • NashRugger

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    Sep 20, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    and it's finally over icon_biggrin.gif
  • Montague

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    Sep 20, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    Funny how I'm still going to be in the exact same situation, only now its somewhat more legal. icon_neutral.gif
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    Sep 20, 2011 4:28 AM GMT
    Montague saidFunny how I'm still going to be in the exact same situation, only now its somewhat more legal. icon_neutral.gif
    And what situation is that?
  • Montague

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    Sep 20, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Montague saidFunny how I'm still going to be in the exact same situation, only now its somewhat more legal. icon_neutral.gif
    And what situation is that?


    This still doesn't matter in my battalion, our motto is literally "the Marine Corps forgot about us, and the Navy doesn't care" .. we're under street rules feels like.
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    Sep 20, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    It's kind of like when they finally allowed women into the military. It's still taking time for women to become fully integrated into combat roles, but slowly but surely it's happening.

    Our military is a very conservative institution. It does not change very quickly in regards to culture. And, I'm glad that it doesn't. Look at those countries where the military changes quickly. There is usually that "Coup d'estat" thing going on every year or two.

    I'm glad to see our military making progress which reflects the advancement of the progressive, liberal culture of our overall U.S. society.

    My unbounded gratitude goes out to all of our men and women who serve to keep our Constitution relevant and our nation free.