TRAIN Wreck

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    Sep 24, 2011 12:04 AM GMT
    The House of Representatives has just passed the Transparency in Regulatory Analysis of Impacts on the Nation (TRAIN) Act.

    If the bill passes the Senate and is signed by President Obama, a special committee would be set up to oversee the rules and regulations established by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The committee would evaluate the rules and regulations on how they economically impact the country.

    But for the last 41 years, since the inception of the Clean Air Act, only scientific and medical impacts were considered. With this bill, your health is weighed against the almighty dollar.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/train-act-clean-air-protection-house_n_978502.html
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
    True, and yet also the health of obscure fauna. There are places in which the economic - and thus the socio-political and humanitarian - impact ought to be considered.

    For instance, EPA regulations have caused a man-made drought in the San Joaquin Valley of California as water is diverted away from hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland to the ocean in order to ostensibly help... a minnow.
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
    OPBoxer underscored estimates from the EPA that, by 2020, the Clean Air Act would prevent 230,000 premature deaths, 2.4 million asthma attacks, 200,000 heart attacks and 5.4 million lost school days. "That is only if our laws remain on the books and are enforced," she added, "and that's why we must defeat this attack being waged by the House Republicans in the name of deregulation."


    How much money is that?!
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:51 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    OPBoxer underscored estimates from the EPA that, by 2020, the Clean Air Act would prevent 230,000 premature deaths, 2.4 million asthma attacks, 200,000 heart attacks and 5.4 million lost school days. "That is only if our laws remain on the books and are enforced," she added, "and that's why we must defeat this attack being waged by the House Republicans in the name of deregulation."


    How much money is that?!
    Money for whom???
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    Sep 24, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    Money for those people who didn't die prematurely, or have to take work off because of their asthma (and the companies who hire them), the insurance companies who have to pay for the heart attacks, and the kids who get to go to school and get education.

    To start with. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 24, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    southbeach,

    How exactly does the FDA weigh a person's health against clean air? Those who rely on over-the-counter inhalers can use alternative medication. And for those who use a prescribed inhaler will make the switch to this newly enforced prescribed inhaler.
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    Sep 24, 2011 2:00 AM GMT
    Larkin_PLR saidTrue, and yet also the health of obscure fauna. There are places in which the economic - and thus the socio-political and humanitarian - impact ought to be considered.

    For instance, EPA regulations have caused a man-made drought in the San Joaquin Valley of California as water is diverted away from hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland to the ocean in order to ostensibly help... a minnow.


    Larkin_PLR,

    Have you read into why the EPA has chosen to help a minnow? You may look at the minnow and think it's a small issue. But don't you think it may be more than just a minnow issue. Isn't possible that the EPA has looked into the chain of events that are likely to occur should this species be wiped out?

    If you could post a link, I'd be happy to look further into it.
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    Sep 24, 2011 2:34 AM GMT
    Here's your link, creature:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/02/sarah-palin-on-california-delta-smelt-minnow-where-i-come-from-we-call-them-bait-video/
    “Right here in California some of the nation’s richest and most fertile farmland lays fallow. And the livelihoods of thousands of family farmers are destroyed. And, they’re destroyed because some faceless dem government bureaucrat took away their lifeline, their water. And they claim that it was in order to protect a two inch fish… Now where I come from we call that bait… And there is no need to destroy people’s lives over that bait.”

    And here's what actually happened to the water in 2009 (Palin appears to be a little late in her attack addressing the minnow):

    Hannity demands Obama "turn this water on now" in Central California -- but pumps have been on for months

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200909230029Department of Water Resources: 75 percent of 2009 shortfall due to drought. A Department of Water Resources document on 2009 water conditions shows that a loss of 500,000 acre feet of water are due to fish protections while 1.6 million acre feet were lost as a result of drought.

    2009 is third consecutive year of drought in California. In an August 31 drought update, the Department of Water Resources stated, "Water Year 2009 is the third consecutive dry year for the state. Water Year 2007-08 resulted in 63 percent of average annual precipitation across the state, and Water Year 2008-09 resulted in 72 percent of average annual precipitation. By the end of July, 2009, statewide precipitation stood at 78 percent of average for this water year."
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    Sep 24, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
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    creature saidsouthbeach,

    How exactly does the FDA weigh a person's health against clean air? Those who rely on over-the-counter inhalers can use alternative medication. And for those who use a prescribed inhaler will make the switch to this newly enforced prescribed inhaler.



    From the article:

    But going green may have some inhaler users seeing red, as the ozone-friendly inhalers cost more. Epinephrine inhalers go for around $20. The alternatives, which contain the drug albuterol, cost $30 to $60.



    But the article doesn't say the new inhalers are weaker in strength, just that they cost more. This is a contrast to the allowance of more pollutants because corporations insist that their means to revenue not be challenged.

    I'm sure asthma sufferers will purchase the alternatives. If there is a report that a significant amount of asthma sufferers have stopped medicating themselves, or are partially following the instructions to save money, then perhaps something needs to be considered. But your examples does not match what the House has pushed through.
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    Sep 24, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    creature saidTRAIN Wreck
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