UC Berkeley College Republicans' "racist" bake sale causes controversy

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    Sep 26, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    (CNN) -- Campus Republicans at the University of California Berkeley have cooked up a storm of controversy with their plans for a bake sale.

    But it's not your everyday collegiate fundraiser they've got in mind. They've developed a sliding scale where the price of the cookie or brownie depends on your gender and the color of your skin.

    During the sale, scheduled for Tuesday, baked goods will be sold to white men for $2.00, Asian men for $1.50, Latino men for $1.00, black men for $0.75 and Native American men for $0.25. All women will get $0.25 off those prices.

    "The pricing structure is there to bring attention, to cause people to get a little upset," Campus Republican President Shawn Lewis, who planned the event, told CNN-affiliate KGO. "But it's really there to cause people to think more critically about what this kind of policy would do in university admissions."

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/25/us/california-racial-bake-sale/index.html?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1

    What are your thoughts on this? I agree with the top comment on the CNN article:

    "You apply this to university admission, you're hero
    You apply this to bake sales. you're a bigot"
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    Sep 26, 2011 11:00 AM GMT
    OPTim Wise, author of the book "White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son," calls the bake sale a "sarcastic and rather smarmy slap at people of color."

    "There are a lot of ways to make a point about your disagreement with affirmative action," Wise told Lemon Saturday night.

    "I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ... there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white. And it's only at the point of college admissions that these folks seem to get concerned with color consciousness."


    If anything, it should be $2.50 for the Asians. We don't get no affirmative action...not that most of us need it. icon_evil.gif
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    Sep 26, 2011 11:56 AM GMT
    Let's not feed the troll...
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    "During the sale, scheduled for Tuesday, baked goods will be sold to white men for $2.00, Asian men for $1.50, Latino men for $1.00, black men for $0.75 and Native American men for $0.25. All women will get $0.25 off those prices."


    So they're admitting it's harder for those demographics to afford things.

    Are they saying Uni admissions would be based solely on race (which the bake sale does, and as such is an incorrect comparison)? Or only considered, with being able to afford Uni first and foremost?

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    Sep 26, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    Clever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance.

    This is basically an anti-racist protest.
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    Sep 26, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    Lolololol gotta love when the racist on RJ come out to play, it's not like the real issue in college admissions isn't legacy admissions...



    That and they seem to exclude white privilege from their little bake sale.
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    Sep 26, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
    You found this article and went searching the internet for a place to post it. You chose Realjock, created an account just to post this?
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    Sep 26, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance.

    This is basically an anti-racist protest.



    That would be obvious to anyone with any real intelligence. It's a brilliant way to make a point, and I commend the students for the creative idea. I absolutely see this as making an "anti-racist" statement
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    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance.

    This is basically an anti-racist protest.



    That would be obvious to anyone with any real intelligence. It's a brilliant way to make a point, and I commend the students for the creative idea. I absolutely see this as making an "anti-racist" statement


    And in Berkeley of all places! I’m sure expulsion will be next.
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    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance. This is basically an anti-racist protest.

    Right, because we all know that school funding, resources, extra opportunities for learning, and special tutoring are every bit as available to everyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. We are a pure meritocracy, and proud of it!!



    You can't explain that to the conservatives in this country. They swear EVERYONE has a fair shot.

    Their privilege allows them this ignorance, they can go through life ignorant and judgmental of minorities while claiming they all had a fair shot.
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    Sep 26, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance.

    This is basically an anti-racist protest.



    I have to say I kind of agree with them. I know that a lot of my liberal friends would disagree with me, but it just seems logical that you would want to make race NOT an issue when it comes to education admissions you would want to make proven effort the issue.

    I think the bake sale is a cleaver way for people to make their point about an issue they disagree with. Good for them.

    If I was there I would walk up and ask "How much for some gay cake?"

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    Sep 26, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    I think the philosophy of race-based admissions criteria embodies the idea of Orwellian doublespeak, i.e. "To treat all races equally, you must treat some races differently". Truly mindboggling liberal lunacy.

    And to SkinnyBitch: I have been a lurker on RJ for a long time, just decided to make my first post yesterday.
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    Sep 26, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance. This is basically an anti-racist protest.

    Right, because we all know that school funding, resources, extra opportunities for learning, and special tutoring are every bit as available to everyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. We are a pure meritocracy, and proud of it!!



    You can't explain that to the conservatives in this country. They swear EVERYONE has a fair shot.

    Their privilege allows them this ignorance, they can go through life ignorant and judgmental of minorities while claiming they all had a fair shot.


    Well, there is the old Ann Richards quote about most rich people acting like they hit a homerun when they actually started out on third base.

    Why should, all things being equal scorewise, someone who is non-white be given more of a chance then someone who is white? There are plenty of people who are white who are NOT priveliged in this country. Maybe I am missing something because I am white, but if I am wrong tell me where you are coming from and make me understand.
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    Bigolbear said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance. This is basically an anti-racist protest.

    Right, because we all know that school funding, resources, extra opportunities for learning, and special tutoring are every bit as available to everyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. We are a pure meritocracy, and proud of it!!



    You can't explain that to the conservatives in this country. They swear EVERYONE has a fair shot.

    Their privilege allows them this ignorance, they can go through life ignorant and judgmental of minorities while claiming they all had a fair shot.


    Well, there is the old Ann Richards quote about most rich people acting like they hit a homerun when they actually started out on third base.

    Why should, all things being equal scorewise, someone who is non-white be given more of a chance then someone who is white? There are plenty of people who are white who are NOT priveliged in this country. Maybe I am missing something because I am white, but if I am wrong tell me where you are coming from and make me understand.


    Possibly because being white in itself is a huge advantage in this society? I mean blacks with advanced college degrees STILL get passed over for jobs they are more qualified for.
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    bwinter00 saidI think the philosophy of race-based admissions criteria embodies the idea of Orwellian doublespeak, i.e. "To treat all races equally, you must treat some races differently". Truly mindboggling liberal lunacy.

    And to SkinnyBitch: I have been a lurker on RJ for a long time, just decided to make my first post yesterday.


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    I'd like to see some factually backed statistics that would in any way suggest that this bake sale is a close proximity of what affirmative action in University admissions is like. I call bullshit, 'cus it sounds like bullshit.

    I wouldn't buy a cooke from a Republican youth group anyways. We are trying to make their already dwindling ignorance go extinct...not give them money to encourage their stupid ways.
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    Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    And there are white men who get passed over for black men simply because they are black. Racism comes from more than one side.

    And being white isn't always a "huge" advantage like you seem to think it is.


    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Bigolbear said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance. This is basically an anti-racist protest.

    Right, because we all know that school funding, resources, extra opportunities for learning, and special tutoring are every bit as available to everyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. We are a pure meritocracy, and proud of it!!



    You can't explain that to the conservatives in this country. They swear EVERYONE has a fair shot.

    Their privilege allows them this ignorance, they can go through life ignorant and judgmental of minorities while claiming they all had a fair shot.


    Well, there is the old Ann Richards quote about most rich people acting like they hit a homerun when they actually started out on third base.

    Why should, all things being equal scorewise, someone who is non-white be given more of a chance then someone who is white? There are plenty of people who are white who are NOT priveliged in this country. Maybe I am missing something because I am white, but if I am wrong tell me where you are coming from and make me understand.


    Possibly because being white in itself is a huge advantage in this society? I mean blacks with advanced college degrees STILL get passed over for jobs they are more qualified for.
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    Sep 26, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/white_convicts_as_likely_to_be.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html

    I posted this in a different thread, but you know I guess it works here too.


    ConfederateGhost saidAnd there are white men who get passed over for black men simply because they are black. Racism comes from more than one side.

    And being white isn't always a "huge" advantage like you seem to think it is.


    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Bigolbear said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidClever way of bringing attention to this issue for sure! It is outrageous that a university would even think about having race factor into admissions. It should all be about performance. This is basically an anti-racist protest.

    Right, because we all know that school funding, resources, extra opportunities for learning, and special tutoring are every bit as available to everyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. We are a pure meritocracy, and proud of it!!



    You can't explain that to the conservatives in this country. They swear EVERYONE has a fair shot.

    Their privilege allows them this ignorance, they can go through life ignorant and judgmental of minorities while claiming they all had a fair shot.


    Well, there is the old Ann Richards quote about most rich people acting like they hit a homerun when they actually started out on third base.

    Why should, all things being equal scorewise, someone who is non-white be given more of a chance then someone who is white? There are plenty of people who are white who are NOT priveliged in this country. Maybe I am missing something because I am white, but if I am wrong tell me where you are coming from and make me understand.


    Possibly because being white in itself is a huge advantage in this society? I mean blacks with advanced college degrees STILL get passed over for jobs they are more qualified for.
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    Sep 26, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    From the article:

    Tim Wise, author of the book "White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son," calls the bake sale a "sarcastic and rather smarmy slap at people of color."

    "There are a lot of ways to make a point about your disagreement with affirmative action," Wise told Lemon Saturday night.

    "I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ...there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white. And it's only at the point of college admissions that these folks seem to get concerned with color consciousness."
    [My emphasis]

    White right-wingers have their private club, with privileges only they get to enjoy at the expense of others. They don't want anyone else to compete with them for the same benefits, nor share them; it's essential to their status-quo that non-Whites and other minorities continue to face an uphill battle, the likes of which the Whites don't. It's really very simple to understand.
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    Sep 26, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Possibly because being white in itself is a huge advantage in this society? I mean blacks with advanced college degrees STILL get passed over for jobs they are more qualified for.


    Oh stop your crying and whining and listen to your President.

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    Sep 26, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidFrom the article:

    Tim Wise, author of the book "White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son," calls the bake sale a "sarcastic and rather smarmy slap at people of color."

    "There are a lot of ways to make a point about your disagreement with affirmative action," Wise told Lemon Saturday night.

    "I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ...there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white. And it's only at the point of college admissions that these folks seem to get concerned with color consciousness."
    [My emphasis]

    White right-wingers have their private club, with privileges only they get to enjoy at the expense of others. They don't want anyone else to compete with them for the same benefits, nor share them; it's essential to their status-quo that non-Whites and other minorities continue to face an uphill battle, the likes of which the Whites don't. It's really very simple to understand.


    I don't think it's a skin color issue as much as it is a class and culture issue. I have friends who are, as you put it, white right-wingers and with them it isn't as much about someone having black skin as it is someone acting a certain way they are not comfortable with. That can happen just as much when someone who is white goes against their cultural comfort zone.

    I still don't understand how I grew up with white priviledge though. I can't remember getting away with a traffic ticket or getting a special discount at a store because I was white. I've never had the butcher look at me and slip me extra meat with a wink in his eye because I was white. I don't think I have ever had a teacher show me extra attention or bump my grades up because I was white.
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    ConfederateGhost saidI'd like to see some factually backed statistics that would in any way suggest that this bake sale is a close proximity of what affirmative action in University admissions is like. I call bullshit, 'cus it sounds like bullshit.

    Deeply profound dude

    I wouldn't buy a cooke from a Republican youth group anyways. We are trying to make their already dwindling ignorance go extinct...not give them money to encourage their stupid ways.


    Aren't you one of those folks who want more diversity on campus, not less? I see, but ONLY if it’s diversity you agree with. Got it. What, you’ve never been on a college campus?
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    Art_Deco saidFrom the article:

    Tim Wise, author of the book "White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son," calls the bake sale a "sarcastic and rather smarmy slap at people of color."

    "There are a lot of ways to make a point about your disagreement with affirmative action," Wise told Lemon Saturday night.

    "I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ...there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white. And it's only at the point of college admissions that these folks seem to get concerned with color consciousness."
    [My emphasis]

    White right-wingers have their private club, with privileges only they get to enjoy at the expense of others. They don't want anyone else to compete with them for the same benefits, nor share them; it's essential to their status-quo that non-Whites and other minorities continue to face an uphill battle, the likes of which the Whites don't. It's really very simple to understand.


    I don't think it's a skin color issue as much as it is a class and culture issue. I have friends who are, as you put it, white right-wingers and with them it isn't as much about someone having black skin as it is someone acting a certain way they are not comfortable with. That can happen just as much when someone who is white goes against their cultural comfort zone.

    I still don't understand how I grew up with white priviledge though. I can't remember getting away with a traffic ticket or getting a special discount at a store because I was white. I've never had the butcher look at me and slip me extra meat with a wink in his eye because I was white. I don't think I have ever had a teacher show me extra attention or bump my grades up because I was white.


    "slip me extra meat with a wink in his eye "

    You need to find a gay butcher. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 26, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
    No, I'm one of those folks you don't know a fucking thing about.

    Hope that cleared it up for ya ^.^

    I'm sorry if you are butthurt by the fact that what the Republican Party has spawned is nothing short of ignorance, hate, and lack of compassion. It really has no grand-standing within the Millenial generation. People are free to have conservative views, hell - compared to most on these forums, I have conservative views. Having conservative views isn't what's up for questioning...it's the actions and hateful motivation behind these little Republican youth groups that is a blistering sore.


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    ConfederateGhost saidI'd like to see some factually backed statistics that would in any way suggest that this bake sale is a close proximity of what affirmative action in University admissions is like. I call bullshit, 'cus it sounds like bullshit.

    Deeply profound dude

    I wouldn't buy a cooke from a Republican youth group anyways. We are trying to make their already dwindling ignorance go extinct...not give them money to encourage their stupid ways.


    Aren't you one of those folks who want more diversity on campus, not less? I see, but ONLY if it’s diversity you agree with. Got it. What, you’ve never been on a college campus?
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    Sep 26, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    Oh boy (hehe)

    Berkeley has a College Republicans group? icon_eek.gif