Police brutality at Wall Street protests

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    Sep 27, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.
    Then you had better hope you dont get caught in NYC!icon_wink.gif
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    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.



    Really? Evidence please..... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.



    Really? Evidence please..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are in a union. Nuff said.
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    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.


    doesn't this get old for you? I really don't think their political affiliation has anything to do with how they treated the protesters.

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    Sep 27, 2011 3:57 AM GMT
    Cops are thugs. They are paid thugs of the state. Plain and simple.

    They are there to act as the coercive arm of the state. The state serves Wall Street, not the people.

    And frankly, the notion of cops being "held to account" is laughable. And the notion of the NYPD being "the best" is also laughable. Certainly, they are among the more thuggish of police forces in the US.

    But the same goes everywhere. To a significant degree, cops are made up of people who want power, a badge, and a gun. Then they "become" the law. They aren't held to account by it.

    And of course they are abusing peaceful protesters, that's what cops do. Remember, it wasn't so long ago that police were setting dogs, using firehoses, and brutally beating black Americans simply because they wanted to have rights. Back then, most especially when that started up, many people would watch and think that the cops are just doing what they need to in order to "keep the peace." But the question remains: for whom? Who are they protecting?

    In this case, it's evident. Wall Street. Let's not forget Bloomberg is a billionaire and is more than happy to protect all his criminal friends from being inconvenienced.

    As for the comment that the protesters are "directing their anger" at the police, instead of a "cause", well, shall we contextualize, or trivialize?

    Context: peaceful protests against Wall Street. Cops show up, harass, antagonize, pepper spray, and act brazenly brutal.

    So instead of complaining that the protesters are directing their anger at cops, maybe you should question why the cops are acting oppressive towards the protesters.

    Remember, at the beginning of the Egyptian protests, it was a relatively small group of people who were being daily harassed, abused, and cordoned off by the state police. Police are there to protect the State and its interests, not the people, not freedom, not rights. They oppress people, undermine freedom, and ignore rights.

    But then, there were always be those automaton-like individuals who will continue to worship power in all its horrible and brazen glory, licking the boot that presses their face to the ground.

    George Orwell once said: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."
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    Oh, and just to add, because I imagine it will be thrown at me... not ALL cops are awful, power-mongering, morally depraved, hopped up, glorified psychopaths. Sometimes, a few good ones get through. But as an institution, and as we can see, how they function as a "pack", and how certain "leaders" within that pack operate, it seems clear that cops are generally hired thugs of the state. But then, that's also just a historical fact. And one that is not confined to America, I might add.
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    mayBbignow2 said
    Dallasfan824 said
    Scruffypup said
    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.



    Really? Evidence please..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are in a union. Nuff said.


    I dont think being in a union will change their affiliation, who's really going to replace them? Secondly these are anarchists talking about a non-left wing situation. Their cause is against wall street greed and corruption.
    Not only that, you cannot control another person's actions.


    Normally I hate cops. But I hate douchbag protesters like them more. So I dont have a dog in the hunt at who is worse in this situation.
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    Sep 27, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    Disgusting. Period! I think the protest was just. Working class is just sick n tired of the bull that's been going on for a very long time. I don't get into politics because it's all a bunch of lies and deceit. Nothings ever gonna change no matter how many presidents or mayors we elect.
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    Sep 27, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidCops are thugs. They are paid thugs of the state. Plain and simple.

    They are there to act as the coercive arm of the state. The state serves Wall Street, not the people.

    And frankly, the notion of cops being "held to account" is laughable. And the notion of the NYPD being "the best" is also laughable. Certainly, they are among the more thuggish of police forces in the US.

    But the same goes everywhere. To a significant degree, cops are made up of people who want power, a badge, and a gun. Then they "become" the law. They aren't held to account by it.

    And of course they are abusing peaceful protesters, that's what cops do. Remember, it wasn't so long ago that police were setting dogs, using firehoses, and brutally beating black Americans simply because they wanted to have rights. Back then, most especially when that started up, many people would watch and think that the cops are just doing what they need to in order to "keep the peace." But the question remains: for whom? Who are they protecting?

    In this case, it's evident. Wall Street. Let's not forget Bloomberg is a billionaire and is more than happy to protect all his criminal friends from being inconvenienced.

    As for the comment that the protesters are "directing their anger" at the police, instead of a "cause", well, shall we contextualize, or trivialize?

    Context: peaceful protests against Wall Street. Cops show up, harass, antagonize, pepper spray, and act brazenly brutal.

    So instead of complaining that the protesters are directing their anger at cops, maybe you should question why the cops are acting oppressive towards the protesters.

    Remember, at the beginning of the Egyptian protests, it was a relatively small group of people who were being daily harassed, abused, and cordoned off by the state police. Police are there to protect the State and its interests, not the people, not freedom, not rights. They oppress people, undermine freedom, and ignore rights.

    But then, there were always be those automaton-like individuals who will continue to worship power in all its horrible and brazen glory, licking the boot that presses their face to the ground.

    George Orwell once said: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."

    Oh, and just to add, because I imagine it will be thrown at me... not ALL cops are awful, power-mongering, morally depraved, hopped up, glorified psychopaths. Sometimes, a few good ones get through. But as an institution, and as we can see, how they function as a "pack", and how certain "leaders" within that pack operate, it seems clear that cops are generally hired thugs of the state. But then, that's also just a historical fact. And one that is not confined to America, I might add.


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    MeOhMy saidCops are thugs. They are paid thugs of the state. Plain and simple.

    They are there to act as the coercive arm of the state. The state serves Wall Street, not the people.

    And frankly, the notion of cops being "held to account" is laughable. And the notion of the NYPD being "the best" is also laughable. Certainly, they are among the more thuggish of police forces in the US.

    But the same goes everywhere. To a significant degree, cops are made up of people who want power, a badge, and a gun. Then they "become" the law. They aren't held to account by it.

    And of course they are abusing peaceful protesters, that's what cops do. Remember, it wasn't so long ago that police were setting dogs, using firehoses, and brutally beating black Americans simply because they wanted to have rights. Back then, most especially when that started up, many people would watch and think that the cops are just doing what they need to in order to "keep the peace." But the question remains: for whom? Who are they protecting?

    In this case, it's evident. Wall Street. Let's not forget Bloomberg is a billionaire and is more than happy to protect all his criminal friends from being inconvenienced.

    As for the comment that the protesters are "directing their anger" at the police, instead of a "cause", well, shall we contextualize, or trivialize?

    Context: peaceful protests against Wall Street. Cops show up, harass, antagonize, pepper spray, and act brazenly brutal.

    So instead of complaining that the protesters are directing their anger at cops, maybe you should question why the cops are acting oppressive towards the protesters.

    Remember, at the beginning of the Egyptian protests, it was a relatively small group of people who were being daily harassed, abused, and cordoned off by the state police. Police are there to protect the State and its interests, not the people, not freedom, not rights. They oppress people, undermine freedom, and ignore rights.

    But then, there were always be those automaton-like individuals who will continue to worship power in all its horrible and brazen glory, licking the boot that presses their face to the ground.

    George Orwell once said: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever."

    Oh, and just to add, because I imagine it will be thrown at me... not ALL cops are awful, power-mongering, morally depraved, hopped up, glorified psychopaths. Sometimes, a few good ones get through. But as an institution, and as we can see, how they function as a "pack", and how certain "leaders" within that pack operate, it seems clear that cops are generally hired thugs of the state. But then, that's also just a historical fact. And one that is not confined to America, I might add.


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    Sep 27, 2011 4:36 AM GMT
    Yeah, someone blew up a photograph of this asshole cop, found his name on his badge and Anonymous released his personal details, including his address and a possible phone number.

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    Yeah, someone blew up a photograph of this asshole cop, found his name on his badge and Anonymous released his personal details, including his address and a possible phone number.

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    Anonymous released his personal details, including address and probable phone number:

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    Sep 27, 2011 4:52 AM GMT
    My question is that if all these cops are power hungry assholes....then why instead of standing around and protesting (not really making a difference) don't some of these people and any of those RJers that agree, join the police force, pick up some rank and make a difference from the inside?

    Im willing to bet that if any of those protesters where being mugged or had been burglarized that they expect for everyone those "power hungry" officers to do something about it.

    We have the right to Assembly, but If this was a "peaceful" protest then why where these people impeding traffic? Last time I checked, standing in street and blocking traffic is disturbing the peace. If some asshole is blocking my way to work or my way home and I don't damn near come close to run his ass over, then I would def. call the cops and expect them to do something!

    And another thing COPS PAY TAXES TOO!!!!!!!

    I have nothing against protesters and their right to express their opinion...And Im not saying that its cool for all these politicians to abuse their power...All Im saying is that there is better and constructive ways of getting your point across i.e. The Truth campaign icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Sep 27, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    The thing that scares me is that cops don't protect citizens, cops do what they are told by people that control their pay checks. I don't know a lot about NYC, but to me it looks like Gotham City.
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    poeval saidMy question is that if all these cops are power hungry assholes....then why instead of standing around and protesting (not really making a difference) don't some of these people and any of those RJers that agree, join the police force, pick up some rank and make a difference from the inside?



    Why on earth would I want to be a cop?

    Because if "making a difference from the inside" actually worked, it would have been done by now. But in the long history of abusive police forces, militaries, what have you, they continue to be abusive, regardless of some of the good intentions and high hopes of many (or some) of those who inhabit these areas. Why? Because institutions are corrosive to individuality.

    You want to be a cop, and "change" the institution of policing from the inside? Good luck! But I won't hold my breath. Good people, with good intentions, honesty, and integrity do not typically rise to the top of any institution, least of all an institution which is put in place with the specific purpose of "control."

    So, people protest, or as you say, "not really making a difference." Just like how those protesters in Egypt were "not really making a difference," or those protesters in Tunisia "not really making a difference," or how about the Civil Rights protests "not really making a difference."

    But I'm sure you're right! Civil Rights (while I think the movement was far from complete), would have been "more effective" had you simply told black Americans that if they wanted more rights, to join the institutions they were excluded from so that they may "change it from the inside," of course, getting inside in the first place is just a technicality.

    But I'm sure you really believe you have "nothing against protesters" and do completely support the right to free assembly (within state designated and police cordoned "free speech zones"), and just so long as whatever ideals, rights, freedoms, justice they are seeking does not impede your drive downtown.

    Thank god our society has its priorities in order! Just so long as I can drive my car where I want, consume what I want, and feel comfortable with all my haves and wants, people can say whatever they want. But the moment they inconvenience my daily wants and haves, they should be oppressed.

    I loved the footage shown in another thread on this issue, where you see police "protecting" a Wall Street building from the dangerous riff raff who are "not really making a difference", and you see Wall Street yuppies in their second floor patios drinking champagne, looking down upon the protesters, laughing. This society works best for people like that, and even those people in that footage just get the bottom benefits handed down from the ones who the system really benefits.

    I think it really says something about a society when so many can denounce protesters for engaging in free speech and free assembly, and even support the brutality of cops against them, but when Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, et. al. destroy and ravage the economy (with help from successive administrations, democrat AND republican), and then the government comes and gives these same banks bailouts to the tune of trillions of dollars, and then hands you the check, and says, "time to pay!"... and you simply turn a blind eye. Wow.

    But don't worry. These people are out in the streets now. They are speaking for those who can't be there. And they are speaking ahead of time, because others will soon be there. Because most of us will be left impoverished and socially alienated as our nations undertake vicious "austerity measures" (read: social genocide) in order to pay our debts to the banks that created a crisis that we now have to pay before.

    Oh, and in regards to the comment: "if this were a peaceful protest, why were they impeding traffic?"

    ummm... what?

    It's called civil disobedience. It's peaceful in its actions and initiatives, regardless of how it offends your oh-so-delicate sensibilities which define "peace" as "lack of traffic." WOW.

    I can only imagine, since I was not around at the time, that some might have explained how civil rights protesters were not peaceful because they "disturbed the peace" by sitting at the front of the bus, and delaying the bus journey to work.
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    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.


    doesn't this get old for you? I really don't think their political affiliation has anything to do with how they treated the protesters.



    I'd think he was joking if he were anyone else.
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    Sep 27, 2011 8:55 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidOnce again, protestors (should we call them "students?") seem to be directing most of their anger at the police, instead of whatever their "cause" is.

    The NYPD is among the best in the country, period.

    If any cop broke any department rules or any law, that cop will be held to account.

    These protestors - at least from viewing this video clip - appear to be more anarchists than "peaceful protestors."

    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.


    Are you for real?
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    Sep 27, 2011 9:00 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    southbeach1500 said
    Oh, and BTW... most of those cops are DEMOCRATS.



    Really? Evidence please..... icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are in a union. Nuff said.


    Are you for real?
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    Sep 27, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    Ok I was raised when a person of authority give you instructions you fallow them or else you land in jail or worse. This video only shows people being put in hand-cuffs. It does not show the police officers telling them to disband.

    For all of cop haters if a crime if you are ever a victim of a crime don call them since you hate them so.

    This is the city of New York post 911. New York police officers do play!
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    Sep 27, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    I don't see any brutality here!
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    Sep 27, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    MeOhMy saidCops are thugs. They are paid thugs of the state. Plain and simple.

    They are there to act as the coercive arm of the state. The state serves Wall Street, not the people.

    And frankly, the notion of cops being "held to account" is laughable. And the notion of the NYPD being "the best" is also laughable. Certainly, they are among the more thuggish of police forces in the US.

    But the same goes everywhere. To a significant degree, cops are made up of people who want power, a badge, and a gun. Then they "become" the law. They aren't held to account by it.

    And of course they are abusing peaceful protesters, that's what cops do. Remember, it wasn't so long ago that police were setting dogs, using firehoses, and brutally beating black Americans simply because they wanted to have rights. Back then, most especially when that started up, many people would watch and think that the cops are just doing what they need to in order to "keep the peace." But the question remains: for whom? Who are they protecting?

    In this case, it's evident. Wall Street. Let's not forget Bloomberg is a billionaire and is more than happy to protect all his criminal friends from being inconvenienced.

    As for the comment that the protesters are "directing their anger" at the police, instead of a "cause", well, shall we contextualize, or trivialize?

    Context: peaceful protests against Wall Street. Cops show up, harass, antagonize, pepper spray, and act brazenly brutal.

    So instead of complaining that the protesters are directing their anger at cops, maybe you should question why the cops are acting oppressive towards the protesters.





    I agree with absolutely everything you just said. It's remarkable that some people can't see what's happening here.
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    Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM GMT
    gatorball saidI don't see any brutality here!



    Did it hurt when you had your eyes sewn shut? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 27, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    Eyes are wide open..Police are filming themselves so that they don't get dragged into some BS lawsuit.. If you saw brutality please point out where in the video it is taking place?