Protestors Want To "Occupy" Wall Street, Not Quite Sure Why

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    Sep 28, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
    It's a bit sad the light grip on reality a lot of these people have. They would do better to protest in Washington DC than Wall Street - firms that responded to incentives and regulations created by Washington.

    http://gothamist.com/2011/09/07/protestors_want_to_occupy_wall_stre.php

    A loose group of left-leaning groups such as Adbusters Magazine, the hacking group Anonymous, and We Are the 99% have announced that they will "occupy" Wall Street on September 17th for an indefinite period of time. The goal is to have 20,000 people "flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades, and occupy Wall Street for a few months." Essentially it will bring the Hoovervilles to the well-heeled. A Tahrir Square moment, if you will. "Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand until Barack Obama capitulates," an event organizer tells CBS. But what demand would that be? That all hinges on a Facebook poll, which is totally what Gandhi would have done.

    Currently, at the top of the list is "Revoke Corporate Personhood," which we all know would really piss off Mitt Romney. The second entry is "Abolish capitalism," which is just adorable. "End corporate Welfare" seems a little bit more doable, but we like "Four-hour work day" the best. Also, maybe a Shake Weight for every citizen?

    If these groups want to make an actual impact, they'd better find a slogan, and fast. The trouble seems to be that there are simply too many things to protest, so the whole thing may suffer from the same affliction as Mr. Burns: Three Stooges Syndrome.
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    Sep 28, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    While I agree that Occupy Wall Street (started by Canadians, by the way) is neither well thought out, or well executed, bringing the issue directly to the financiers through direct action will probably more effective than going to Washington. The people in Washington are the puppets of Wall Street - Republican and Democrat alike. Direct action of the kind practiced by ACT UP and Queer Nation would probably get more results than Occupy Wall Street.
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    Christian73 saidWhile I agree that Occupy Wall Street (started by Canadians, by the way) is neither well thought out, or well executed, bringing the issue directly to the financiers through direct action will probably more effective than going to Washington. The people in Washington are the puppets of Wall Street - Republican and Democrat alike. Direct action of the kind practiced by ACT UP and Queer Nation would probably get more results than Occupy Wall Street.


    How are they puppets to Wall Street? What does it mean to be a puppet of Wall Street?

    I'd agree with you that much of the regulation that's been written has been weighted in favor of incumbents - big banks while quite conveniently it's politicians who have advocated those exact same banks while accepting substantial contributions (though for the record, Wall Street has most recently been primarily a Democratic contributor).
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:00 PM GMT
    Heh. I can't help but empathize though given how much the Obama Administration is invested politically in Wall Street but it would be nice if they knew how to use things like Google Maps (or an old fashioned paper map for that matter).

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/09/30/2011-09-30_occupy_wall_street_protest_swelled_by_rock_band_dropin_hoax_wheres_radiohead.html

    Radiohead didn't rock out with the Occupy Wall Street mass yesterday, but the crowds sure did as the protest marched into its third weekend - but had a little trouble finding NYPD headquarters.

    The British rock band's rumored appearance at the downtown protest - later branded a "hoax" by organizers - swelled the ranks at the Zuccotti Park base to several thousand.

    While hundreds of people have camped out overnight in the plaza during the two-week old sit-in for social change, an online announcement that Radiohead was en route jammed the plaza.

    "I actually think it's kind of ridiculous," said a dreadlocked 20-year-old who identified himself as Pigpen. "The only reason 500 people are here is because they think Radiohead is going to be here."

    Organizers were red-faced.

    "I got hoaxed," said Patrick Bruner, who has been e-mailing on behalf of the Occupy Wall Street protesters. "Radiohead was never confirmed. Completely our fault. Apologies. "

    The band later wished protestors luck on their Twitter feed, but confirmed they would be no-shows.The band was in the city and performed two sold-out shows at the Roseland Ballroom this week.

    But the infusion of new protestors lured by the Radiohead rumor brought renewed energy to the gathering, which roared as a group from the Transit Workers Union appeared at the plaza.

    "I'm thrilled to be here," said retiree Joyce Gallagher, 64, from Midwood, Brooklyn. "I think we should have been in Wall Street for three years now."

    A crowd of more than 2,000 people marched up Broadway, past a closed City Hall Park, under the arch of the Municipal Building and massed outside what some mistakenly thought was NYPD headquarters.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    Who is "wallstreet"?
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    Do we even know how many "protesters" showed up for this occupation of Wall St?

    I'm not sure, but it seems to me that the address given in all of the protest crap is just to the west of the Deutsche Bank tower. New York City police are not going to allow these bozos to block off that area.

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    Christian73 saidWhile I agree that Occupy Wall Street (started by Canadians, by the way) is neither well thought out, or well executed, bringing the issue directly to the financiers through direct action will probably more effective than going to Washington. The people in Washington are the puppets of Wall Street - Republican and Democrat alike. Direct action of the kind practiced by ACT UP and Queer Nation would probably get more results than Occupy Wall Street.


    How are they puppets to Wall Street? What does it mean to be a puppet of Wall Street?

    I'd agree with you that much of the regulation that's been written has been weighted in favor of incumbents - big banks while quite conveniently it's politicians who have advocated those exact same banks while accepting substantial contributions (though for the record, Wall Street has most recently been primarily a Democratic contributor).




    Oh come on Riddler, need you ask who the puppets are when Obama is planning on a billion dollars in gifts from Wall street, bankers and a miriad of other wealthy donors. A puppet is controled by strings, in politics the strings controling the Politicians leed strait to their campaign financiers and Lobbyists, whether they be from Wall street, banks, large corps or other mega money concerns. The Puppets are every damn politician in Washington Democrat and Republicans working hard to answer the needs of their donors, not the American voters. That is exactly why we have such high unemployment, because the Large donors/lobbyists promoted profits over people so the jobs were sent overseas.

    ( And don't come back with some statement about all the small donors being the ones pulling the strings since they did donate a lot. you and I both know that all the above got their way with Obama far more so than did middle America.)
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    realifedad saidOh come on Riddler, need you ask who the puppets are when Obama is planning on a billion dollars in gifts from Wall street, bankers and a miriad of other wealthy donors. A puppet is controled by strings, in politics the strings controling the Politicians leed strait to their campaign financiers and Lobbyists, whether they be from Wall street, banks, large corps or other mega money concerns. The Puppets are every damn politician in Washington Democrat and Republicans working hard to answer the needs of their donors, not the American voters. That is exactly why we have such high unemployment, because the Large donors/lobbyists promoted profits over people so the jobs were sent overseas.

    ( And don't come back with some statement about all the small donors being the ones pulling the strings since they did donate a lot. you and I both know that all the above got their way with Obama far more so than did middle America.)


    The issue I have with that is that both the Republicans and Democrats ultimately will throw their financial supporters under the bus if it means their supporters are a political liability.
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    Oct 15, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    These Wall Street Protestors are a bunch of lost souls. They are the bottom feeders of society that never contribute to society. Many of them cant hold down a job and refuse to work for a living. Instead they protest about anything and everything. This time spending over a month without showers, shitting on the sidewalks, having sex in public, smoking pot and fighting hand to hand combat with the police. The more they protest, the worse they look in the eyes of the silent majority.

    Want to get rid of them...easy. Just open up a job fair down there and see how fast they all run.

    To compare them to the Tea Party Protestors is a joke. The Tea Party protestors are against high taxes and big government. These Wall Street Protestors are socialists who are against working and capitalism.
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    Oct 15, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWhile I agree that Occupy Wall Street (started by Canadians, by the way) is neither well thought out, or well executed, bringing the issue directly to the financiers through direct action will probably more effective than going to Washington. The people in Washington are the puppets of Wall Street - Republican and Democrat alike. Direct action of the kind practiced by ACT UP and Queer Nation would probably get more results than Occupy Wall Street.


    Even if they are puppets of wall street, wall street isnt going to make the change. People need to stop being idiots and take the protest to Washington DC. To say that Wall Street owns them is stupid as fuck, and shows how ignorant these protestors really are.
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    Oct 15, 2011 6:14 PM GMT
    All this interest and consternation over a "bunch of lost souls" among the right wing RJ fringe ........ Tells me they got you worried boys icon_cool.gif

    They know what they are doing ...... And they're pointing a finger right at the place that was the epicenter of our economic meltdown
    And what's got the republicans worried about this is that they are going to have to defend the indefensible
    Right in time for the election and I'm looking forward to every minute of it ...lol
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    GQjock saidAll this interest and consternation over a "bunch of lost souls" among the right wing RJ fringe ........ Tells me they got you worried boys icon_cool.gif

    They know what they are doing ...... And they're pointing a finger right at the place that was the epicenter of our economic meltdown
    And what's got the republicans worried about this is that they are going to have to defend the indefensible
    Right in time for the election and I'm looking forward to every minute of it ...lol

    Tells you wrong. They are great to make fun of. And if you think that group is impressing independents, then you're smoking the same stuff they are. Will be fun watching you moaning after your team loses. Will you leave the country? Cuba and Venezuela have nice climates. You'll fit in real well there. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 15, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    These threads always remind me of Vicky Pollard from Little Britain

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    Oct 16, 2011 10:18 AM GMT
    I did not know what the movement is about... after reading an article in one of the free papers in town I am even more confused. The person (who made certain to make clear that she was NOT the organizer) invited anybody with any issue to come protest.

    Since reading the description I have decided to call this the "Seinfeld of protests."
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    Oct 16, 2011 11:47 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    GQjock saidAll this interest and consternation over a "bunch of lost souls" among the right wing RJ fringe ........ Tells me they got you worried boys icon_cool.gif

    They know what they are doing ...... And they're pointing a finger right at the place that was the epicenter of our economic meltdown
    And what's got the republicans worried about this is that they are going to have to defend the indefensible
    Right in time for the election and I'm looking forward to every minute of it ...lol

    Tells you wrong. They are great to make fun of. And if you think that group is impressing independents, then you're smoking the same stuff they are. Will be fun watching you moaning after your team loses. Will you leave the country? Cuba and Venezuela have nice climates. You'll fit in real well there. icon_lol.gif


    SoCal .... When you need the Gretchen Carlsens of the world to trumpet your cause .... That isn't something to exude confidence

    When you're party is busy preparing to disqualify voters in order to win an election that isn't something to be proud of

    It's time to look at what you're party is doing and say to yourself

    ....is this what I wanna be a part of?
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    Oct 16, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
    How stupid is the right wing?


    The protests are showing you examples . See if you can figure out for yourself what they have in common.


    I do not buy this pretense at not understanding what this is all about. icon_rolleyes.gif


    It has been stated repeatedly this movement is protesting the control of 40% of the worlds' wealth by 1% of the population.

    At each protest locals highlight the specific areas of inequity that exist there; these are SOME of the things mentioned here that people are protesting:

    Housing standards and the refusal of the 1% to address the problems with the buildings they own;

    our provincial govt provided millions in "loans" to buddies in large business that then do not get paid back leaving the 99% paying the defaulted bills to THEMSELVES - the people who were contracted to build the giant un-necessary hotel but unpaid when the big corp suddenly filed for bankruptcy protection - after getting our biggest theatre in our "Confederaton Centre of the Arts" renamed for him - an anomaly where EVERY other landmark bears the name of one of the Fathers of Confederation... plus this guy Holman who got 100 million dollars then defaulted.

    Meanwhile a young mother asking for a business start-up loans did not qualify because she does not need ENOUGH moneY to qualify for the program. But the big companies got plenty of it - each & every one already one of the 1%.


    In PEI btw that works out to 1,400 who exercise total control over taxes, spending, government contracts, and grants. While less than 50% even voted , under our system, whomever gets as little as 30% of the vote can control 80% of the seats in Parliament.

    one thousand four hundred people - all buddies and relatives - are able to rule this Island of 400,000 and its wealth & resources as their own private club, benefitting each of their friends in turn. Half will run the province for 10 years, then the other half takes its turn -- throws out all the hires by the previous govt and replaces them all with their own friends & relatives for ten years.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.


    That is a reflection of the 99% outrage at the 1% here on PEI.

    In Halifax they have other examples - indeed MANY other examples - just as we do.

    That is not unfocussed at all. - it is all about inequity and social justice and the way the right wingers go on about it, they are either not listening or willfully stupid.





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    Oct 16, 2011 12:32 PM GMT
    from Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-leadership/what-is-occupy-wall-street-the-history-of-leaderless-movements/2011/10/10/gIQAwkFjaL_story.html

    This is a leaderless movement without an official set of demands. There are no projected outcomes, no bottom lines and no talking heads. In the Occupy movement, We are all leaders.

    This is not just a charming mess. We are all leaders represents a real praxis, and it has a real history.

    In the 1960s and 70s, feminists convened consciousness-raising meetings aimed at politicizing the various forms of women’s oppression that were occurring in private. Women in the ranks were tired of being excluded from the inner circles of leadership where the issues and demands were being decided. And, they were sick of the generalized hypocrisy regarding gender roles. For this reason, feminist consciousness-raising eschewed formal leadership because each woman’s experience and opinion had to be valued equally. The personal was the political.

    Consciousness-raising was also the heart and soul of gay rights activism. The process of sharing coming-out stories in a free environment helped others liberate themselves from the closet of ill repute. Again, these stories were told in a non-coercive, leaderless environment that empowered gay men and women to fight for their rights and leave behind a debased life of sexual secrecy.

    Both of these movements had enormous impacts on American life. Gay rights liberated our sexuality, and feminism fundamentally changed the way we relate to each other as men and women. All this, without a centralized leadership.

    Fast-forward to the late 1990s when protest networks emerged around the world in opposition to the World Bank, WTO and G-8. This time uneven development, debt and neoliberalism took center stage, alongside environmental concerns and world poverty. The protesters were “Anti” globalization as well as “Alter”: Free flows of information as opposed to patenting, free movement of people as opposed to policed immigration, and free trade as opposed to NAFTA.

    Alter-globalization networks created a veritable movement of movements, which was not led or controlled by any one of them. In the United States, anarchist-inspired spokescouncils convened hundreds of these groups to organize protest actions, conferences and community work. At the meetings, each group would position a single member upfront, in the inner circle, while the rest sat behind, like a human wheel with spokes. There were no leaders with long-standing assignments because every participant was, in essence, a leader. In lieu of a party line, this amalgamation of movements operated according to sets of core, procedural principles—called Principles of Unity—that reflected their anti-authoritarian, anti-discriminatory orientation.
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    Upper_Cdn saidHow stupid is the right wing?


    The protests are showing you examples . See if you can figure out for yourself what they have in common.

    I don't know if this is aimed at me (I don't know if I am right or left today...) However, I don't have television so I have not seen the protests to find this common thread. When I read an article where the non organizer invites everybody with ANY issue to protest to come on down to a leaderless event with no agenda I get confused. She had cited examples of feeling left out of democracy, not liking the war, environmental issues, disliking big oil, not liking the direction this country is taking and others. I will see if I can find it online or find the copy lying around, post it word for word and see if you can make heads or tails of it.

    For now, I will admit that I know what it was supposed to be about and even support some of the issues that the protesters seemed to have. However, it has morphed into something completely different if occupy Calgary is any indication. The press release did not so much as mention bankers and income disparity- just protesting whatever issue you wanted in "an inclusive" environment. It could be that they knew it would be hard to get anybody to show up in this conservative city (300 people out of 1.1 million did) so they decided to cater to everybody, or it could be that in a leaderless movement you get regional differences and issues.

    For now, it remains the Seinfeld of protests.

    ***Edit: I can not find the article that I was looking for- just this one from another free paper that states : "Julia Totino, a participant and originator of the Occupy Calgary Facebook group, says, “This is meant to appeal to everyone who is dissatisfied and feeling they are not being adequately represented.” http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/news-views/news/occupy-wall-street-in-calgary-8206/
    Another article talks about one of our former mayoral candidates "He said he hoped the events would draw attention to poverty in Calgary. However, he also wants to target gender inequality, student debt aboriginal issues and access to education and health care. “For Calgary, it’s probably more about community building,” he said. “I know it sounds a little utopian in a way, but it’s got to some place.”
    Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Occupy+Calgary+sets+camp+Patrick+Island/5541409/story.html#ixzz1ayjXWKmR

    Now, you tell me what I am supposed to get out of a protest where 2 participants have raised 6 or 7 points in the papers and not a single mention of bankers?
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    Oct 16, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    you have to go to hear what people are talking about.

    There IS no one dictating the agenda in advance.

    If you got off your ass and went, you would see and hear people talking about various issues - while some people write them down on a big card;
    there is probably a place where people are trading emails and social media contacts and comparing what connections they have.


    you would hear some of the dealings exposed by those who were used to do them by their bosses. By exposing them, they must do better.

    you would hear how to pressure elected representatives by people who electd them, and in some rare - reluctant - cases - by the elected representatives shamed into standing front andcentre to hear speaker after speaker.

    Here you would have seen han elected representative refuse to answer when asked if he would be willing to commit his family to living for two months on the average Islanders monthly income, and slink away.

    That moment was caught on video - and will surely defeat him next election.


    People will link up - make alliances - and from that -as time progresses - little things will get done in a number of ways and a number of places.

    Another meeting will be held next week.

    These are not one-off affairs
    This is a process.

    You cannot have instant gratification any more , with pretty easy solutions to tidily packaged problems.. Whoever taught you you could, lied.

    Time to grow up.
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    Upper_Cdn saidyou have to go to hear what people are talking about.

    There IS no one dictating the agenda in advance.

    If you got off your ass and went, you would see and hear people talking about various issues - while some people write them down on a big card;

    you would hear some of the dealings exposed by those who were used to do them by their bosses. By exposing them, they must do better.

    you would hear how to pressure elected representatives by people who electd them, and in some rare - reluctant - cases - by the elected representatives shamed into standing front andcentre to hear speaker after speaker.
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    The simple fact is that I hate crowds and it would take a real cause to get me out. There is no need to go to an event that has no agenda; I will not waste my time showing up to hear any jackass with an opinion speak their mind.

    I do not need to "get off my ass" and go downtown to meet these people and know what is going on. If you needed to attend a rally to know that there is injustice, inequality and that politicians are lying narcissistic bastards I am very glad that you went. I spent my weekend rebuilding my deck and reading papers written by Dr. Adam Grant explaining the prosocial impacts that respectful, meaningful contact with the beneficiaries of somebodies work can have. Unlike myself, our PR department does not have much contact with our clients.

    Research has shown that Brief contact with them might increase their sense of job fulfillment, help them to feel as though they make a difference and that they are likely to remain focused on their tasks longer and do a better job. Now I need to write up a proposal to send off to their manager. You tell me if my time would have been better spent listening to people speak on problems that we all already know exist or doing something concrete to help an organization who directly helps the people that this "movement" claims to care so much about.

    You see, the simple fact is that I deal with the homeless several times each week. I deal with the nearly homeless, disenfranchised, mentally challenged and newly laid off several times each day. I do not need to take my weekend to educate myself on their issues. I see the results of a society that does not care for it's citizens every day (and it is not just the government who does not care- most people do not.) When I hear a protester say that it is unfair that they should start their life in debt despite the fact that they now possess a masters degree and should earn several hundred thousand each year I wonder if they are going to remember the cold, the starving and the homeless in a decade

    Finally, I love that I am right wing now. Yesterday, a family member called me a left wing commie. I had listened to a right wing radio show with callers who felt that they had pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and felt that the protesters should do the same. Comments such as "The only thing this country ever gave to me is a sense of hard work" were heard. I disagreed by wondering if they sent their kids to school, used health care, or invested in companies that use various grants. After that I pointed out that anybody with investments owes almost their entire net worth to the government for having bailed out the banks with trillions and prevented a complete collapse (which would have wiped out most companies as well as their investments and depressed real estate prices more severely than they are.) I did not say that they should pay it all in taxes, only that they benefited by government spending just the same as if the government had paid them welfare directly.

    So, I was a raving leftie yesterday. Today I say that I can not support an agendaless movement and I am on the right. Perhaps you should check with SB and others on this board as I assume they don't want to claim me either...

    To quote a great man: I'm neither left nor right, I'm just staying home tonight getting lost in that hopeless little screen...
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    What they're protesting is a veritable Hydra; it's composed of many things.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra

    Do Bill and I agree with it? The jury's still out on that one until they get a little more focused.

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    Upper_Cdn saidyou have to go to hear what people are talking about.

    There IS no one dictating the agenda in advance.

    If you got off your ass and went, you would see and hear people talking about various issues - while some people write them down on a big card;

    you would hear some of the dealings exposed by those who were used to do them by their bosses. By exposing them, they must do better.

    you would hear how to pressure elected representatives by people who electd them, and in some rare - reluctant - cases - by the elected representatives shamed into standing front andcentre to hear speaker after speaker.
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    The simple fact is that I hate crowds and it would take a real cause to get me out. There is no need to go to an event that has no agenda; I will not waste my time showing up to hear any jackass with an opinion speak their mind.

    I do not need to "get off my ass" and go downtown to meet these people and know what is going on. If you needed to attend a rally to know that there is injustice, inequality and that politicians are lying narcissistic bastards I am very glad that you went. I spent my weekend rebuilding my deck and reading papers written by Dr. Adam Grant explaining the prosocial impacts that respectful, meaningful contact with the beneficiaries of somebodies work can have. Unlike myself, our PR department does not have much contact with our clients.

    Research has shown that Brief contact with them might increase their sense of job fulfillment, help them to feel as though they make a difference and that they are likely to remain focused on their tasks longer and do a better job. Now I need to write up a proposal to send off to their manager. You tell me if my time would have been better spent listening to people speak on problems that we all already know exist or doing something concrete to help an organization who directly helps the people that this "movement" claims to care so much about.

    You see, the simple fact is that I deal with the homeless several times each week. I deal with the nearly homeless, disenfranchised, mentally challenged and newly laid off several times each day. I do not need to take my weekend to educate myself on their issues. I see the results of a society that does not care for it's citizens every day (and it is not just the government who does not care- most people do not.) When I hear a protester say that it is unfair that they should start their life in debt despite the fact that they now possess a masters degree and should earn several hundred thousand each year I wonder if they are going to remember the cold, the starving and the homeless in a decade

    Finally, I love that I am right wing now. Yesterday, a family member called me a left wing commie. I had listened to a right wing radio show with callers who felt that they had pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and felt that the protesters should do the same. Comments such as "The only thing this country ever gave to me is a sense of hard work" were heard. I disagreed by wondering if they sent their kids to school, used health care, or invested in companies that use various grants. After that I pointed out that anybody with investments owes almost their entire net worth to the government for having bailed out the banks with trillions and prevented a complete collapse (which would have wiped out most companies as well as their investments and depressed real estate prices more severely than they are.) I did not say that they should pay it all in taxes, only that they benefited by government spending just the same as if the government had paid them welfare directly.

    So, I was a raving leftie yesterday. Today I say that I can not support an agendaless movement and I am on the right. Perhaps you should check with SB and others on this board as I assume they don't want to claim me either...

    To quote a great man: I'm neither left nor right, I'm just staying home tonight getting lost in that hopeless little screen...


    Ah good. so you know all about it.


    Try educating others who don't know.

    Your deck doesn't help your community.


    I can both build my deck, do my job with Aidspei AND still get out and educate.

    It is all in your priorities.


    Not everyone knows what you so smugly know (but feel no obligation to do anything about until your deck is finished i guess.

    I get involved and where i do not understand I go find out instead of bitch and criticise.


    Left = selfless - community oriented

    right = selfish - MY needs first.


    You illustrate the dichotomy admirably. (or perhaps contemptibly)




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    Oct 17, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
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    Ah good. so you know all about it.


    Try educating others who don't know.

    Your deck doesn't help your community.


    I can both build my deck, do my job with Aidspei AND still get out and educate.

    It is all in your priorities.


    Not everyone knows what you so smugly know (but feel no obligation to do anything about until your deck is finished i guess.

    I get involved and where i do not understand I go find out instead of bitch and criticise.


    Left = selfless - community oriented

    right = selfish - MY needs first.


    You illustrate the dichotomy admirably. (or perhaps contemptibly)

    Oh, but you should have been out educating others instead of building your deck? The roof was collapsing in on itself from rot and winter is just about here. That was thinking about my wish to not have a pile of rubble with one of my nieces buried under it. Sorry if you don't believe that to be a priority- but I did. Attending a rally with no stated cause that was planned a week before I was supposed to drop everything just didn't make the cut.

    In addition to the deck, I spent around 5 hours in the evenings volunteering my time going through the studies and doing a proposal. I went to work (unpaid) to meet the welder I had coming in to fix two power tailgates and once to bring a sick colleague her Christmas planning binder and drop it off (she has been sick for two weeks and needs it to start getting things in place for December.) I know it might not sound like much to you- but I spend all week at work and still end up volunteering several hours of most weekends either with other charities or with the one I work for.

    Because I don't agree that this was an important event for me to be at I am now right, selfish and ONLY put my needs first. I salute you who are perfect and know how I should live my life. Perhaps I would get more done if I turned over control of where I put my time and effort to you as you seem to know where I should be and what should be a priority in my life?

    Really; you are going to tell me this was about education? That is going to be your excuse for the reason that I should have attended a sparsely attended protest about nothing? You know as well as I do that you do not hold a protest in an empty downtown core on a weekend to "educate". How many people do you honestly believe were "educated" about any topic. Calgary is a city that exists in the suburbs- Bankers Hall sits in the middle of a completely deserted district on weekends.

    I will concede that I am a horrible, selfish right leaning bastard. Never done a thing for others and keep my opinions to myself, refusing to "educate" others while laughing at the homeless and downtrodden. I should spend every weekend following your selfless example. My home can fall apart and I will forgo all relationships but those I make with "like minded individuals" at protests.

    I think this has to be my last post on this subject. I really don't mind what you think of me and am very amused that you feel that you know me and my motives well enough to judge me.

    On that note, I would question if all of the RJ members who found better things to do with their time fall on the "right = selfish - MY needs first" of your judgement or is it just me? I would suggest that there are a lot of members you might normally consider left leaning who decided to rake their leaves, spend one last weekend at the lake or paint their house this weekend and did not attend your "educational protest." What of them? Do they fall to the level of contempt that I seem to?
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