NC governor recommends suspending elections to focus on jobs

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    Sep 28, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
    Imagine if a Republican had said this.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/27/nc-governor-recommends-suspending-democracy-to-focus-on-jobs/

    As a way to solve the national debt crisis, North Carolina Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue recommends suspending congressional elections for the next couple of years.

    “I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover,” Perdue said at a rotary club event in Cary, N.C., according to the Raleigh News & Observer. “I really hope that someone can agree with me on that.”
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:09 AM GMT
    Much as I agree that it's unconstitutional, here's the full quote from the governor (and I also agree that q2year elections are distracting):

    http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/perdue_suggests_suspending_congressional_elections_for_two_years_was_she_seriousYou have to have more ability from Congress, I think, to work together and to get over the partisan bickering and focus on fixing things. I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. The one good thing about Raleigh is that for so many years we worked across party lines. It's a little bit more contentious now but it's not impossible to try to do what's right in this state. You want people who don't worry about the next election.


    BTW, I don't think keeping the set of current representatives longer would actually promote bipartisanship. Just my 2 cents.icon_lol.gif

    And I think we should have a Parliament rather than Congress, and more than just 2 parties. Just like Canada.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidMuch as I agree that it's unconstitutional, here's the full quote from the governor (and I also agree that q2year elections are distracting):

    http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/perdue_suggests_suspending_congressional_elections_for_two_years_was_she_seriousYou have to have more ability from Congress, I think, to work together and to get over the partisan bickering and focus on fixing things. I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that. The one good thing about Raleigh is that for so many years we worked across party lines. It's a little bit more contentious now but it's not impossible to try to do what's right in this state. You want people who don't worry about the next election.


    BTW, I don't think keeping the set of current representatives longer would actually promote bipartisanship. Just my 2 cents.icon_lol.gif

    And I think we should have a Parliament rather than Congress, and more than just 2 parties. Just like Canada.


    So why bother with elections every 4 years? Why not 8? Elections are distracting? You'd think that doing elections should actually get cheaper and more frequent given better technology. Not sure that the quote minimizes the fact she wants elections suspended.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:23 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, what's the mantra of Republicans nowadays when Obama's stumping for his reelection? He's distracted, by everything under the sun, including college girls (j/k):
    http://thewashingtonfancy.com/2011/08/obama-distracted-from-work-by-hot-new-college-undergrads-in-d-c/
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    Funny Bush wasn't accused of being distracted by the GOP in his re-election campaign from governing.


    BTW, we're still talking about the q2year elections of the House of Reps, right?

    And how many years are between elections for Canada's Parliament?
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:28 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sorry, what's the mantra of Republicans nowadays when Obama's stumping for his reelection? He's distracted, by everything under the sun, including college girls (j/k):
    http://thewashingtonfancy.com/2011/08/obama-distracted-from-work-by-hot-new-college-undergrads-in-d-c/
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    Funny Bush wasn't accused of being distracted by the GOP in his re-election campaign from governing.


    BTW, we're still talking about the q2year elections of the House of Reps, right?


    Bush was accused of everything from being distracted to being dumb - while Obama has gotten away for instance of mixing up Jews and janitors in a recent speech, telling Blacks to stop complaining and have "faith" in him, hailing the building of the Interncontinental railroad, saying Lincoln was the founder of the Republican party, talking about that Navy corpseman, or the Austrian language, all within the last few days, and who can forget how he travelled all 57 states?

    But yep, Bush is the stupid one. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Now you have a Democratic Governor extolling the virtues of suspending elections to focus on jobs. And you defend her. How... predictable.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:30 AM GMT
    riddler78 said You'd think that doing elections should actually get cheaper and more frequent given better technology.


    Lol, Citizens United made sure it's more expensive than ever. That's why we need campaign rules like in Canada.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:35 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said You'd think that doing elections should actually get cheaper and more frequent given better technology.


    Lol, Citizens United made sure it's more expensive than ever. That's why we need campaign rules like in Canada.


    I was referring to the act of going to the polls and enumerating which should get cheaper.

    People should be allowed to spend what they want to get their messages out. In Canada, it's not uncommon for the party in power to be able to outspend the next most popular party 4-5x and all their inherent advantages of being in government (including using departments to promote specific policies and spend on ads during elections).

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    Sep 28, 2011 2:39 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Now you have a Democratic Governor extolling the virtues of suspending elections to focus on jobs. And you defend her. How... predictable.


    I'm not defending her unconstitutional proposal, but I'm defending her wanting more collaboration rather than "my way or the highway."

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    Sep 28, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Now you have a Democratic Governor extolling the virtues of suspending elections to focus on jobs. And you defend her. How... predictable.


    I'm not defending her unconstitutional proposal, but I'm defending her wanting more collaboration rather than "my way or the highway."

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    The underlying issue is that her proposal is not only even more antagonistic but does nothing to fuel collaboration given that elections also mean that candidates are under greater pressure to do what their constituents want.
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    Sep 28, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
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    Now you have a Democratic Governor extolling the virtues of suspending elections to focus on jobs. And you defend her. How... predictable.


    I'm not defending her unconstitutional proposal, but I'm defending her wanting more collaboration rather than "my way or the highway."

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    The underlying issue is that her proposal is not only even more antagonistic but does nothing to fuel collaboration given that elections also mean that candidates are under greater pressure to do what their constituents want.


    Candidates do not listen to voters when the public's desire conflicts with the corporations and wealth citizens who bankroll their elections. If they did, we'd have been out of Iraq and Afghanistan in Bush's term, we'd have a public option for healthcare, taxes would be raised on the rich and corporations, etc. Those are all very popular with a strong majority of Americans, but we don't get that. We get Eric Cantor holding the budget hostage over FEMA funding, when his own district is in desperate need. Who is he serving with that position? Not his constituents.
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    Sep 28, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    Now you have a Democratic Governor extolling the virtues of suspending elections to focus on jobs. And you defend her. How... predictable.


    I'm not defending her unconstitutional proposal, but I'm defending her wanting more collaboration rather than "my way or the highway."

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    The underlying issue is that her proposal is not only even more antagonistic but does nothing to fuel collaboration given that elections also mean that candidates are under greater pressure to do what their constituents want.


    Candidates do not listen to voters when the public's desire conflicts with the corporations and wealth citizens who bankroll their elections. If they did, we'd have been out of Iraq and Afghanistan in Bush's term, we'd have a public option for healthcare, taxes would be raised on the rich and corporations, etc. Those are all very popular with a strong majority of Americans, but we don't get that. We get Eric Cantor holding the budget hostage over FEMA funding, when his own district is in desperate need. Who is he serving with that position? Not his constituents.


    That's simply a calculation of how much the cost of those votes are versus doing what's right for the country versus what's cynical - campaign contributions. If anything, more frequent elections should make getting votes more important than the other constraints - and the will of the majority given that you need/want votes more while if you have longer to govern, you are willing to sacrifice shorter term popularity for other things that can include campaign contributions in anticipation that you will sweeten the pot for the majority of voters later.

    I think though there's also a difference between popular issues and popular governments. I think a lot of people who voted for Bush may not have liked all his policies but respected him for doing what he believed was right - after all, you have more or less a binary choice. It is highly unlikely you will end up agreeing with all of your candidates' issues.

    That being said, in the case of NC Governor, there's also this - which again makes me think that we should have more frequent elections not fewer:
    http://www.salisburypost.com/Opinion/092711-edit-mooneyham-perdue-travel-qcd

    Last week, Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby let it be known that more criminal charges are expected in the investigation of Gov. Beverly Perdue’s campaign finances.

    Willoughby’s comments to WRAL-TV confirmed that the investigation into unreported airplane flights by the Perdue campaign is continuing.
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    Sep 28, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    Apparently her press team has come out saying that her comments were a joke/hyperbole and she didn't really mean it... which goes further in underlining how absurd they were and gives lie to the arguments some like q have made that she was making a reasonable point. Unfortunately someone recorded her comments.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/new-audio-nc-governor-struck-serious-tone-on-suspending-congressional-elections/

    NC governor struck serious tone on suspending congressional elections

    If it was a joke, North Carolina Democratic Governor Bev Perdue needs to polish her delivery.

    Newly released audio contradicts the claims of Perdue’s press team that her call Tuesday for suspending Congressional elections was a joke or hyperbole. In the recording, her tone is matter-of-fact and her comments are part of a serious speech.

    “Listen to the Governor’s words: She wasn’t joking at all,” North Carolina GOP spokesman Rob Lockwood told The Daily Caller. “The congressional Democrats are wildly unpopular in North Carolina, so she may have been trying to invent a solution to save their jobs from public accountability.”

    “If it was a joke, what was the set-up?,” Lockwood adds. “What was the punch-line? Where was the pause for laughter? It took them three hours to say it was a ‘joke,’ but when that flopped it became ‘hyperbole.’ We’ll just call it an unconstitutionally bad idea."