Rangers' Sean Avery called homophobic slur after supporting gay marriage

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    Sep 28, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    Rangers' Sean Avery called homophobic slur after supporting gay marriage

    http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/09/rangers-sean-avery-called-homophobic-slur-after-supporting-gay-marriage.html


    Tell the NHL Commissioner and Vice President to discipline Simmonds.

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/fine-for-homophobia-in-hockey
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:14 PM GMT
    Tragic!
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    And the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    And no less by a black player who himself was the target of a racist attack after someone threw a banana peel at him.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/capitals/banana-peel-incident-draws-shock-anger-around-hockey/2011/09/23/gIQADSVcrK_story.html

    The NHL is taking action over that racist incident, but not this anti-gay incident.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/09/nhlno.html

    Just to be clear: homophobia, A-OK but racism, no way.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    Inostrankan saidAnd no less by a black player who himself was the target of a racist attack after someone threw a banana peel at him.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/capitals/banana-peel-incident-draws-shock-anger-around-hockey/2011/09/23/gIQADSVcrK_story.html

    The NHL is taking action over that racist incident, but not this anti-gay incident.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2011/09/nhlno.html

    Just to be clear: homophobia, A-OK but racism, no way.


    Part of it is because they can't prove it, even though he most likely did say it. But yes, I see what you are saying.
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    Sep 28, 2011 2:40 PM GMT
    Why is it that in most news reports it's a BLACK person hurling the word "faggot" at people? Dumbasses you own the word n1gga, not the word faggot! That's our word! Except for you know...the Black Gays who own both words. Faggor Nigots unite! icon_biggrin.gif
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    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?
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    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.


    Unfortunately, people who should know better and have endured discrimination or injustice don't. Like some private sector workers undoubtedly towards the demonstrating state employees in your state of Wisconsin earlier this year through verbal and in letters to the editor...

    You are wise beyond your years to catch this discrepancy about Simmonds. Keep this keen sense, guy!
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    Thank you for this great and poignant posting. You think the NBA and the NHL are going to have a new P.R. campaign? " "We're going to have a f*#$ing, f*#@^! season!"...
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    Sep 28, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    Tell the NHL Commissioner and Vice President to discipline Simmonds.

    http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/fine-for-homophobia-in-hockey
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    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    I don't think you should blame Prop8 on the black community. Just saying... could you rephrase that?
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    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    I don't think you should blame Prop8 on the black community. Just saying... could you rephrase that?



    Yea the whole "blame black people" for prop 8 turned out to be a load of bullshit. But hey let's all get mad at black people! Hooray!

    http://www.alternet.org/sex/107474/why_prop_8_passed_in_california:_the_myth_of_the_black_gay_divide/

    AlternetWhile Florida and Arizona also passed same-sex marriage bans, the vote for Prop 8 in the politically progressive state of California is widely attributed to the enormous surge of Black voters, 70 percent of whom approved the ban reversing the state's May 2008 Supreme Court decision allowing lesbians and gays to marry. The exit polls showed that 53 percent of Latinos voted for the ban, as well as around 49 percent of white voters.

    The state's Black population is 6.2 percent, and it accounted for 10 percent of the overall vote. In other words, blaming African Americans for the referendum's passage ignores 90 percent of the vote.

    It also ignores recent history. To judge from social research, had there been an unapologetically pro-civil rights campaign, there was the prospect of a different outcome.

    The most comprehensive study of Black attitudes toward homosexuality, which combines 31 national surveys from 1973 to 2000, came to a fascinating conclusion. Georgia State University researchers found that "Blacks appear to be more likely than whites both to see homosexuality as wrong and to favor gay-rights laws."


    I like most of you guys, please don't fall into the bullshit of typical gay racism.
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    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.
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    Sep 28, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!
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    Sep 28, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!


    Well at least you admit the social conservatism among black people! But are you sure that's not a little racist?

    lol. And no, it is a well-known fact to people who live in the real world that hiphop culture is laced with a homophobic undercurrent. "No homo" is a very common term among the hiphop black community and many songs have featured homophobic slurs.

    Need some sources? Just type in "homophobia hip hop culture" in google and you will get a myriad of articles and publications and youtube videos addressing the problem.

    But of course, I'm just making up shit.

    ......and the civil war never happened.
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    Sep 28, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!


    Well at least you admit the social conservatism among black people! But are you sure that's not a little racist?

    lol. And no, it is a well-known fact to people who live in the real world that hiphop culture is laced with a homophobic undercurrent. "No homo" is a very common term among the hiphop black community and many songs have featured homophobic slurs.

    Need some sources? Just type in "homophobia hip hop culture" in google and you will get a myriad of articles and publications and youtube videos addressing the problem.

    But of course, I'm just making up shit.

    ......and the civil war never happened.


    Where did I ever deny that Hip-hop is homophobic? I pointed out that the major number of voting black people are socially conservative and religious.

    But I like how you didn't even try to correct scruffy on his comments about prop 8, just like the rest of the gay community.

    http://www.queerty.com/friday-forum-is-the-gay-community-racist-20090109/
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    Sep 28, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!


    Well at least you admit the social conservatism among black people! But are you sure that's not a little racist?

    lol. And no, it is a well-known fact to people who live in the real world that hiphop culture is laced with a homophobic undercurrent. "No homo" is a very common term among the hiphop black community and many songs have featured homophobic slurs.

    Need some sources? Just type in "homophobia hip hop culture" in google and you will get a myriad of articles and publications and youtube videos addressing the problem.

    But of course, I'm just making up shit.

    ......and the civil war never happened.


    Where did I ever deny that Hip-hop is homophobic? I pointed out that the major number of voting black people are socially conservative and religious.

    But I like how you didn't even try to correct scruffy on his comments about prop 8, just like the rest of the gay community.

    http://www.queerty.com/friday-forum-is-the-gay-community-racist-20090109/


    Then why the hell did you say I'm "incorrect" about saying that hiphop culture has certain homophobic influences running through it? That's really the only thing I even said and you replied with:

    "Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop)"
    --doomsdayalpaca

    So you want to tell us all what the hell you are saying I'm "incorrect" about?

    And no, I did not correct scruffy on his comment about prop 8 because he is in fact right. That article you cited as supposed evidence "dispelling" the myth does nothing of the sort, at the end of the day blacks, in proportion to their numbers voted the highest against gay marriage than the other groups. Are you going to tell me that's a racist thing to say? Is it also homophobic to say that gay people in America have proportionately more people with HIV than straight people in America? Do you have a problem with facts? That stupid article you (and many others) cited months ago tries to dissect everything according to religious and non-religious bla bla bla and then blame people who are religious vs non-religious regardless of race.
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    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!


    Well at least you admit the social conservatism among black people! But are you sure that's not a little racist?

    lol. And no, it is a well-known fact to people who live in the real world that hiphop culture is laced with a homophobic undercurrent. "No homo" is a very common term among the hiphop black community and many songs have featured homophobic slurs.

    Need some sources? Just type in "homophobia hip hop culture" in google and you will get a myriad of articles and publications and youtube videos addressing the problem.

    But of course, I'm just making up shit.

    ......and the civil war never happened.


    Where did I ever deny that Hip-hop is homophobic? I pointed out that the major number of voting black people are socially conservative and religious.

    But I like how you didn't even try to correct scruffy on his comments about prop 8, just like the rest of the gay community.

    http://www.queerty.com/friday-forum-is-the-gay-community-racist-20090109/


    Then why the hell did you say I'm "incorrect" about saying that hiphop has elements of homophobia? That's all I said and you replied with:

    "Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop)"
    --doomsdayalpaca

    So you want to tell us all what the hell you are saying I'm "incorrect" about?

    And no, I did not correct scruffy on his comment about prop 8 because he is in fact right. That article you cited as supposed evidence "dispelling" the myth does nothing of the sort, at the end of the day blacks, in proportion to their numbers voted the highest against gay rights than even the most republican districts. Are you going to tell me that's a racist thing to say? Is it also homophobic to say that gay people in America have proportionately more people with HIV than straight people in America? Do you have a problem with facts? That stupid article you (and many others) cited months ago tries to dissect everything according to religious and non-religious bla bla bla and then blame people who are religious vs non-religious regardless of race.


    Because hip-hop in comparison to religion and social conservatism is a much larger issue (considering those are the black people most likely to vote).

    And no Scruffy pup is not right, 58% of 10% of the vote is NOTHING.Yet the gay community wanted to form a lynch mob against the black community, latinos voted in largely the same way.

    However it was white people that passed Prop 8, lets blame black people though!!
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    Sep 28, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Yeah dude, because black people totally vote based on what wiz khalifa and the game tell them.
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    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    Scruffypup said
    mocktwinkie saidAnd the one making the slur was Simmonds, the very guy who had a banana thrown at him just for being black not too long ago. Unreal. You'd think he would be more sensitive to that.



    You would think. But that's just not the case in reality. The black community in general is known for being more homophobic than the rest of the population. Remember Prop8?


    Well, yes. One of the big problems is that homophobia is almost engrained in hiphop culture and music, so that will need to change first. I think a lot of hiphop stars now have been making efforts to reverse this by speaking out.


    Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop), the main issue is social conservatism among voting black people. Fueled of course by religion.

    But hey, let's keep throwing out lies about black people!


    Well at least you admit the social conservatism among black people! But are you sure that's not a little racist?

    lol. And no, it is a well-known fact to people who live in the real world that hiphop culture is laced with a homophobic undercurrent. "No homo" is a very common term among the hiphop black community and many songs have featured homophobic slurs.

    Need some sources? Just type in "homophobia hip hop culture" in google and you will get a myriad of articles and publications and youtube videos addressing the problem.

    But of course, I'm just making up shit.

    ......and the civil war never happened.


    Where did I ever deny that Hip-hop is homophobic? I pointed out that the major number of voting black people are socially conservative and religious.

    But I like how you didn't even try to correct scruffy on his comments about prop 8, just like the rest of the gay community.

    http://www.queerty.com/friday-forum-is-the-gay-community-racist-20090109/


    Then why the hell did you say I'm "incorrect" about saying that hiphop culture has certain homophobic influences running through it? That's really the only thing I even said and you replied with:

    "Incorrect as usual (honestly just stop with your lame ass race bating bullshit, everyone knows white people buy the most hip hop)"
    --doomsdayalpaca

    So you want to tell us all what the hell you are saying I'm "incorrect" about?

    And no, I did not correct scruffy on his comment about prop 8 because he is in fact right. That article you cited as supposed evidence "dispelling" the myth does nothing of the sort, at the end of the day blacks, in proportion to their numbers voted the highest against gay marriage than the other groups. Are you going to tell me that's a racist thing to say? Is it also homophobic to say that gay people in America have proportionately more people with HIV than straight people in America? Do you have a problem with facts? That stupid article you (and many others) cited months ago tries to dissect everything according to religious and non-religious bla bla bla and then blame people who are religious vs non-religious regardless of race.



    So your implication is that black people are intrinsically predisposed to being homophobes?

    If you are upset that they try to blame things on religion and not race, then provide a reason why you think race should be considered a larger factor in religion than race.

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    Sep 28, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    When did the issue of Prop 8 enter this debate? The NHL has not acted on this manner because it's still under review. Most importantly, he did not call Sean Avery that slur based on his views because of Gay Marriage He said because he's an idiot!

    Also find it bewildering that this discussion seems to have an undercurrent of bigotry it's self. REALLY! Its does not matter who uses this slur or what they are race it's repugnant.

    You guys are carrying like no white str8 men or white guy memo do not call each other and us that slur! REALLY! REALLY!

    SMH!
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    So you want to tell us all what the hell you are saying I'm "incorrect" about?

    And no, I did not correct scruffy on his comment about prop 8 because he is in fact right. That article you cited as supposed evidence "dispelling" the myth does nothing of the sort, at the end of the day blacks, in proportion to their numbers voted the highest against gay marriage than the other groups. Are you going to tell me that's a racist thing to say? Is it also homophobic to say that gay people in America have proportionately more people with HIV than straight people in America? Do you have a problem with facts? That stupid article you (and many others) cited months ago tries to dissect everything according to religious and non-religious bla bla bla and then blame people who are religious vs non-religious regardless of race.



    So your implication is that black people are intrinsically predisposed to being homophobes?

    If you are upset that they try to blame things on religion and not race, then provide a reason why you think race should be considered a larger factor in religion than race.



    He can't, because he's a racist.
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    I dont like this from the sense that this was in game between two opposing players trying to rattle, get under the skin, of the other. This kind of stuff happens in sports ALL THE TIME! and will continue to happen. If we were aware of the type of things athletes said to each other in games all the time our collective heads would explode .
    If indeed Simmonds did say something it most likely was not personal and was said in the heat of the moment. Compare this to the incident that Wayne Simmonds was involved in at the game in London, Ontario where a fan not a player, who has any sense of what is going on the ice, did a pre-meditated act where everyone was going to witness and react to, which they did in spades.
    One is different than the other. If you have ever been in a fight or a heated argument you most likely said or did something you probably didnt mean. This was the case with Simmonds. The fan who threw the banana knew exactly what he was doing to the extent it almost seemed planned by him and the spectators sitting around him.
    Im gonna go out on a limb and say most of you didnt watch the game or know anything about Sean Avery and the fact he is one of the most hated players in the game. A player btw who is on the verge of getting cut from the Rangers because he's dropping down their depth chart faster than a mobster in brick shoes. So what does he do? A national televised game, he goes after the one player who has been in the news the past week and a half.
    This also bothers me that this gets posted here as if most of you guys (that i thought were athletes) dont realize when your playing hard against another opponent with more than just pride on the line, you will do and say anything to get an edge over him.
    And now what? are players going to tattletale on each other to the press for making comments and insults after every game? To what extent? The league cant censor what gets said between players. The only reason Sean Avery did this is to draw attention to himself. Which he did, and he managed to co-opt the gay rights movement in his favor. Looks like it worked too since the OP wants the league to punish Simmonds. I thought you "jocks" would be a little smarter than that. And i hate to even ask this but if Simmonds was white would you respond the same way?icon_sad.gif
    Dont start getting all butthurt because one time a guy decided to rat out another player. You can pretend that all athletes male and female play all games fairly and gentlemen like. Cause obviously thats what happens icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Sep 28, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
    Sean Avery has always been one of the dirtiest and most despised players in the NHL. While I appreciate what he has done off the ice for the LGBT community, it does not excuse the fact that he likes to intentionally goad his opponents to get a reaction and start scuffles. Even among hockey players, that kind of behavior is frowned upon.

    However, if Simmonds did indeed use the slur, I would not excuse his actions. I get how Avery can get under one's skin, but Simmonds should not have said what he said. I do not know what Simmonds' personal view about gay people are, regardless players should be more professional than that and be aware of what words like this, even uttered in the heat of the moment, could do. I do not think that Simmonds' race or background has got anything to do with this particular incident, or should even be relevant.

    As for the NHL, I understand why they could not discipline Simmonds if they lack solid evidence in a he said, she said scenario. I'm glad they did do the right thing by stating their intolerance of the use of such derogatory slurs, even in heat of the moment instances. I think the NHL as an institution (despite the views of some of its neanderthal players and fans) is much more gay friendly than is sometimes being given credit for. Brian Burke and others really did a lot of good work there and I thank them for it.