Emirates Coming to DFW and SEA

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    Sep 28, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
    Per Bloomberg via Emirates

    Any guesses as to what cities Emirates will serve next? Miami? Chicago? Washington D.C.? Boston? Detroit? Each has their own pros and cons in regard to Emirates starting service. My bets are on Miami, Washington D.C., and Boston. Chicago and Detroit already have service to the Middle East courtesy of Royal Jordanian (ORD and DTW) and Etihad (ORD). Although Washington D.C. does as well courtesy of United, serving Kuwait and Bahrain, and Qatar, serving Qatar.

    Love them or hate them, Emirates has truly built up an amazing network, fleet, and business model. If you don't believe me, check out the 'feud' between Emirates and Canada or Emirates and Lufthansa, as well as their planned A380 orders.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-28/emirates-ceo-clark-ratchets-up-u-s-challenge-with-seattle-dallas-flights.html?cmpid=yhoo

    Emirates, the biggest international airline, will add flights to Seattle and Dallas in a revival of plans to establish a major route network to the world’s largest economy that it shelved after the 2001 terror attacks.
    Emirates will begin daily services from Dubai to Dallas starting Feb. 2 and to Seattle from March 1 and may add U.S. cities including Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington, President Tim Clark said today in an interview.
    Passenger numbers at Emirates have surged fivefold in a decade, making it the world No. 1 by international traffic. Hubs in Paris, Frankfurt and London are already under pressure as the carrier diverts long-haul passengers through Dubai, and Clark said the U.S. market could be targeted using Airbus SAS’s A380 superjumbo, of which it has 90 on order offering 45,000 seats.
    “We’ve always had fairly ambitious plans for the U.S. and this is part of that,” Clark said by phone from Dubai. “It’s an immense market. There will be more to come, including increased frequencies and bigger planes. We have ideas for the East Coast, the north-south axis in the center and for the west.”
    Emirates will also open its own first- and business-class lounge in San Francisco in November, having previously shared a United Airlines facility, and is looking at code-shares which would allow it to sell tickets beyond U.S. gateways, Clark said.

    U.S. ‘Noise’
    Emirates currently serves New York, Houston, Los Angeles and San Francisco, so that the two new routes and those under consideration would triple the number of U.S. destinations. The carrier had originally planned to operate 20 Airbus A340s to the U.S. about 10 years ago, but dropped the strategy following the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, Clark said.
    “We’ll hear an increasing amount of noise from the U.S. carriers,” said Chris Tarry, an independent aviation analyst who has followed the industry for almost three decades. “There are always a lot of comments when Emirates goes into new markets and I don’t expect the U.S. to be any different.”
    American customers flying from Seattle and Dallas will be able to connect with flights to destinations across the Middle East, Asia, India and Africa via Dubai, Emirates said in a statement. Services will initially be operated using Boeing Co. 777s, of which Emirates has the biggest fleet, though there’s potential to shift those and other U.S. routes to A380 operation as deliveries of the double-decker accelerate, Clark said.

    A380-Capable
    While the airline has taken delivery of only six planes in the past nine months, it has 52 due in the next 18 months or so and is accelerating network expansion accordingly, the executive said. Including Dallas and Seattle, nine new routes are being added between Nov. 1 and March 1.
    “The A380 will be an option for all U.S. operations post- 2013, when the plane will have a higher takeoff weight, so that routes such as Dubai-Los Angeles become a distinct possibility,” he said. “And most U.S. airports are A380- capable or will be.”
    While travelers from the U.S. West Coast are likely to prefer more direct trans-Pacific flights to East Asia, hubbing from there via Dubai will be competitive to destinations including India, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan and Bangladesh, as well as to the wider Middle East and East Africa, Clark said.
    The Emirates model of operating three waves of departures from Dubai also cuts the gap between flights, so the “elapsed time” may be shorter than the distance suggests, he said.
    “As the emerging-market economies around Dubai expand, particularly India, they could really pick up business,” said Nick Cunningham at research company Agency Partners in London.

    New Orders
    The overlap with routes served by U.S. carriers may not be so great, Clark said, though the expansion may hurt their allies in global airline alliances. Emirates is looking at partners for code-sharing beyond its U.S. destinations after Continental Airlines scrapped a pact when joining the Star group in 2009.
    Emirates is comfortable adding routes even as economies slow, Clark said, predicting that “demand for air travel will continue to grow over the long term in spite of the many challenges the industry faces,” and adding that it may announce further aircraft orders at the Dubai Air Show in November.
    Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum was “reflecting a wish that we’d like to do more” when he said yesterday in Dubai that Emirates could add to its backlog, Clark said.

    Filling Gaps
    The airline needs more planes to accelerate the retirement of older jets amid high fuel prices, and also to offer services to less busy destinations, making use of gaps between the waves of high activity, the executive said.
    Models being examined include Airbus’s new A350 and extended-range versions of the 777, Clark said, adding that Emirates is also seeking an update from the U.S. company on its plans for a “next-generation” update of the same model.
    While more A380 superjumbos would likewise be welcome, Clark said, the size of the fleet is effectively restricted by handling limitations at Dubai International Airport.
    Emirates is in discussion with Airbus over the implications of likely delays to the A350-1000 variant as the plane is given extra thrust, the executive said, adding that he’d have liked the jet to have gone ahead according to original plans.
    He added that there’s no reason to expect first examples of the baseline A350-900 to meet weight and specifications, given problems with other recent jetliner models.

    Sufficient Slots
    Clark said Emirates’s already-strong position in Britain means it has no interest in bidding for BMI, which Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) may sell, or Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd., for which Richard Branson has said he’s seeking a new investor.
    Emirates operates five daily services to London Heathrow, the main hub for BMI and Virgin, and could easily add capacity by switching to an all-A380 service -- from two of the flights at present -- without a need for more operating slots, he said.
    One extra Heathrow frequency is being contemplated, Clark said, but any more than that would upset the Emirates model of funneling passengers from the U.K. provinces via Dubai on direct flights from Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester and Newcastle and away from an airport that’s the main hub for British Airways.
    Clark said he expects BA parent International Consolidated Airlines Group SA to step up its interest in any Heathrow slots that are available after Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh snapped up six pairs for an undisclosed sum from BMI last week.
    “If I was Mr. Walsh I would grab the lot,” he said.


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    Sep 29, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
    Columbusite777 saidPer Bloomberg via Emirates

    Any guesses as to what cities Emirates will serve next? Miami? Chicago? Washington D.C.? Boston? Detroit? Each has their own pros and cons in regard to Emirates starting service. My bets are on Miami, Washington D.C., and Boston. Chicago and Detroit already have service to the Middle East courtesy of Royal Jordanian (ORD and DTW) and Etihad (ORD). Although Washington D.C. does as well courtesy of United, serving Kuwait and Bahrain, and Qatar, serving Qatar.

    Love them or hate them, Emirates has truly built up an amazing network, fleet, and business model. If you don't believe me, check out the 'feud' between Emirates and Canada or Emirates and Lufthansa, as well as their planned A380 orders.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-28/emirates-ceo-clark-ratchets-up-u-s-challenge-with-seattle-dallas-flights.html?cmpid=yhoo

    Emirates, the biggest international airline, will add flights to Seattle and Dallas in a revival of plans to establish a major route network to the world’s largest economy that it shelved after the 2001 terror attacks.
    Emirates will begin daily services from Dubai to Dallas starting Feb. 2 and to Seattle from March 1 and may add U.S. cities including Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington, President Tim Clark said today in an interview.
    Passenger numbers at Emirates have surged fivefold in a decade, making it the world No. 1 by international traffic. Hubs in Paris, Frankfurt and London are already under pressure as the carrier diverts long-haul passengers through Dubai, and Clark said the U.S. market could be targeted using Airbus SAS’s A380 superjumbo, of which it has 90 on order offering 45,000 seats.
    “We’ve always had fairly ambitious plans for the U.S. and this is part of that,” Clark said by phone from Dubai. “It’s an immense market. There will be more to come, including increased frequencies and bigger planes. We have ideas for the East Coast, the north-south axis in the center and for the west.”
    Emirates will also open its own first- and business-class lounge in San Francisco in November, having previously shared a United Airlines facility, and is looking at code-shares which would allow it to sell tickets beyond U.S. gateways, Clark said.

    U.S. ‘Noise’
    Emirates currently serves New York, Houston, Los Angeles and San Francisco, so that the two new routes and those under consideration would triple the number of U.S. destinations. The carrier had originally planned to operate 20 Airbus A340s to the U.S. about 10 years ago, but dropped the strategy following the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, Clark said.
    “We’ll hear an increasing amount of noise from the U.S. carriers,” said Chris Tarry, an independent aviation analyst who has followed the industry for almost three decades. “There are always a lot of comments when Emirates goes into new markets and I don’t expect the U.S. to be any different.”
    American customers flying from Seattle and Dallas will be able to connect with flights to destinations across the Middle East, Asia, India and Africa via Dubai, Emirates said in a statement. Services will initially be operated using Boeing Co. 777s, of which Emirates has the biggest fleet, though there’s potential to shift those and other U.S. routes to A380 operation as deliveries of the double-decker accelerate, Clark said.

    A380-Capable
    While the airline has taken delivery of only six planes in the past nine months, it has 52 due in the next 18 months or so and is accelerating network expansion accordingly, the executive said. Including Dallas and Seattle, nine new routes are being added between Nov. 1 and March 1.
    “The A380 will be an option for all U.S. operations post- 2013, when the plane will have a higher takeoff weight, so that routes such as Dubai-Los Angeles become a distinct possibility,” he said. “And most U.S. airports are A380- capable or will be.”
    While travelers from the U.S. West Coast are likely to prefer more direct trans-Pacific flights to East Asia, hubbing from there via Dubai will be competitive to destinations including India, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan and Bangladesh, as well as to the wider Middle East and East Africa, Clark said.
    The Emirates model of operating three waves of departures from Dubai also cuts the gap between flights, so the “elapsed time” may be shorter than the distance suggests, he said.
    “As the emerging-market economies around Dubai expand, particularly India, they could really pick up business,” said Nick Cunningham at research company Agency Partners in London.

    New Orders
    The overlap with routes served by U.S. carriers may not be so great, Clark said, though the expansion may hurt their allies in global airline alliances. Emirates is looking at partners for code-sharing beyond its U.S. destinations after Continental Airlines scrapped a pact when joining the Star group in 2009.
    Emirates is comfortable adding routes even as economies slow, Clark said, predicting that “demand for air travel will continue to grow over the long term in spite of the many challenges the industry faces,” and adding that it may announce further aircraft orders at the Dubai Air Show in November.
    Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum was “reflecting a wish that we’d like to do more” when he said yesterday in Dubai that Emirates could add to its backlog, Clark said.

    Filling Gaps
    The airline needs more planes to accelerate the retirement of older jets amid high fuel prices, and also to offer services to less busy destinations, making use of gaps between the waves of high activity, the executive said.
    Models being examined include Airbus’s new A350 and extended-range versions of the 777, Clark said, adding that Emirates is also seeking an update from the U.S. company on its plans for a “next-generation” update of the same model.
    While more A380 superjumbos would likewise be welcome, Clark said, the size of the fleet is effectively restricted by handling limitations at Dubai International Airport.
    Emirates is in discussion with Airbus over the implications of likely delays to the A350-1000 variant as the plane is given extra thrust, the executive said, adding that he’d have liked the jet to have gone ahead according to original plans.
    He added that there’s no reason to expect first examples of the baseline A350-900 to meet weight and specifications, given problems with other recent jetliner models.

    Sufficient Slots
    Clark said Emirates’s already-strong position in Britain means it has no interest in bidding for BMI, which Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA) may sell, or Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd., for which Richard Branson has said he’s seeking a new investor.
    Emirates operates five daily services to London Heathrow, the main hub for BMI and Virgin, and could easily add capacity by switching to an all-A380 service -- from two of the flights at present -- without a need for more operating slots, he said.
    One extra Heathrow frequency is being contemplated, Clark said, but any more than that would upset the Emirates model of funneling passengers from the U.K. provinces via Dubai on direct flights from Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester and Newcastle and away from an airport that’s the main hub for British Airways.
    Clark said he expects BA parent International Consolidated Airlines Group SA to step up its interest in any Heathrow slots that are available after Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh snapped up six pairs for an undisclosed sum from BMI last week.
    “If I was Mr. Walsh I would grab the lot,” he said.


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    have connected in Dubai twice. You would have to pay me for me to ever ev
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    Sep 30, 2011 8:25 PM GMT
    I can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.
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    Sep 30, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    surprised they chose DFW over IAH, considering how closely linked Houston is with the middle east economically.
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    Sep 30, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
    austex85 saidsurprised they chose DFW over IAH, considering how closely linked Houston is with the middle east economically.


    Emirates already fly to IAH.

    Someone's obviously thinking the same thing as you! icon_smile.gif

    NOTE: No new flights for Canada.

    Canada won't grant Emirates additional slots at YYZ.

    Canadians now require visas to visit the UAE!!

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    Sep 30, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    Please elaborate.


    Citizens of Israel are not allowed to visit the UAE.

    Some MIddle Eastern states don't allow entry to those who have Israeli stamps in their passports regardless of the nationality.

    I can't imagine Jews in general would feel very comfortable there.
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    Sep 30, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    Emirates is a subsidiary of The Emirates Group, which is wholly owned by the government of Dubai under the Investment Corporation of Dubai.

    The UAE refuses to recognize the State of Israel as do MANY other Arab and Islamic nations. (They don't because they hate Jews.)

    Countries in green do not recognize Israel as a state.
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    You will note in the picture below, there is no mention of Israel in the country listing to where Emirates flies to.

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    So, why would I, as a Jew and and an Israeli be welcome on the flag carrier of a country who refuses to recognize my country?

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    Sep 30, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    Inostrankan said

    So, why would I, as a Jew and and an Israeli be welcome on the flag carrier of a country who refuses to recognize my country?



    More so the UAE has capital punishment and prison sentences for gay people.

    Sexual relations outside of a traditional, heterosexual marriage are a crime and punishments range from jail time, fines, deportation, and the death penalty. A person may also face forced hormone treatments which may include chemical castration. Adultery is also a crime, and a person convicted of homosexuality may also face charges of adultery if they have a spouse while having sexual relations with a person of the same-sex.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_United_Arab_Emirates


    Every dollar spent on Emirates is paying for the murder and imprisonment of gays like you.

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    Sep 30, 2011 9:50 PM GMT
    tanlejos said
    Inostrankan said

    So, why would I, as a Jew and and an Israeli be welcome on the flag carrier of a country who refuses to recognize my country?



    More so the UAE has capital punishment and prison sentences for gay people.

    Sexual relations outside of a traditional, heterosexual marriage are a crime and punishments range from jail time, fines, deportation, and the death penalty. A person may also face forced hormone treatments which may include chemical castration. Adultery is also a crime, and a person convicted of homosexuality may also face charges of adultery if they have a spouse while having sexual relations with a person of the same-sex.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_United_Arab_Emirates


    Every dollar spent on Emirates is paying for the murder and imprisonment of gays like you.



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    Sep 30, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    Please elaborate.


    Citizens of Israel are not allowed to visit the UAE.

    Some MIddle Eastern states don't allow entry to those who have Israeli stamps in their passports regardless of the nationality.

    I can't imagine Jews in general would feel very comfortable there.


    ohh the missinformation of the internets! having lived in dubai and having a jewish bf there one should know there's a lot of people who go back and forth between israel and other arab countires its just that embassies offer two passports now to do that or they stamp it on a seperate sheet of paper (the latter being obselete)

    the entire Emirates crew is practically GAY. try dating in dubai and every homo is either a model or cabin crew for the airline. the guy i dated was senior management for emirates and he tells me there some really femme guys even in senior management who strut around with Prada purses etc..

    the law only states that you must not have sex in front of them or show pda's gay or straight, behind closed door no1 cares.

    also capital punishment is not enforced everyone is just deported. what's more is my jewish ex worked as PR for one of the ruling sheikhs, arab countries do have minority non-israeli jewish populations as well (although my ex went to israel all the time).

    they wont deny you if you are jewish but they will if you are israeli, even if you are non jewish.
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    Sep 30, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    Just great, load the airplanes full of terrorists and fly them right into our country. Stoopid idea.
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    Sep 30, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    lol lol lol hey, i'm a joo too!! but i still love emirates f/a uniforms and business model.
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    Sep 30, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    FootballHawk said
    tanlejos said
    southbeach1500 said
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    Please elaborate.


    Citizens of Israel are not allowed to visit the UAE.

    Some MIddle Eastern states don't allow entry to those who have Israeli stamps in their passports regardless of the nationality.

    I can't imagine Jews in general would feel very comfortable there.


    ohh the missinformation of the internets! having lived in dubai and having a jewish bf there one should know there's a lot of people who go back and forth between israel and other arab countires its just that embassies offer two passports now to do that or they stamp it on a seperate sheet of paper (the latter being obselete)

    the entire Emirates crew is practically GAY. try dating in dubai and every homo is either a model or cabin crew for the airline. the guy i dated was senior management for emirates and he tells me there some really femme guys even in senior management who strut around with Prada purses etc..

    the law only states that you must not have sex in front of them or show pda's gay or straight, behind closed door no1 cares.

    also capital punishment is not enforced everyone is just deported. what's more is my jewish ex worked as PR for one of the ruling sheikhs, arab countries do have minority non-israeli jewish populations as well (although my ex went to israel all the time).

    they wont deny you if you are jewish but they will if you are israeli, even if you are non jewish.


    My bro speaks the truth.I really wanted to shag with one of the cabin crew member!!

    Plus I flew on the super jumbo coming here ..A very very comfortable plane!!
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    Sep 30, 2011 11:02 PM GMT
    tanlejos said
    southbeach1500 said
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    Please elaborate.


    Citizens of Israel are not allowed to visit the UAE.

    Some MIddle Eastern states don't allow entry to those who have Israeli stamps in their passports regardless of the nationality.

    I can't imagine Jews in general would feel very comfortable there.
    And if you're openly gay (ie. traveling with a b/f), I doubt you'd get treated any better than the Jews or Israelis. But that wouldn't be an issue with me because I refuse to travel to any country that's run by Sharia law.
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    Oct 01, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    hebrewman said
    Inostrankan saidI can't fly Emirates as I am a Joo.


    lol lol lol hey, i'm a joo too!! but i still love emirates f/a uniforms and business model.


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    Oct 01, 2011 5:07 PM GMT
    NakedBudd saidJust great, load the airplanes full of terrorists and fly them right into our country. Stoopid idea.


    If I became dictator, your low IQ indication would make you a target for euthanization in my eugenics program.
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    Oct 01, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    NakedBudd saidJust great, load the airplanes full of terrorists and fly them right into our country. Stoopid idea.


    Standard trolling setup

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    Oct 01, 2011 5:32 PM GMT
    I've met and went to school with Muslims and they were friendly and open-minded people. Your view of things is clouded by mass media. Not everyone is part of the extremist religious organization.

    Sorry I can't elaborate any further since I don't have any solid data or knowledge to write 500+ word message on this subject.

    NakedBudd saidJust great, load the airplanes full of terrorists and fly them right into our country. Stoopid idea.