Same-sex marriage approval growing among Republicans, independents

  • metta

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    Sep 29, 2011 8:20 PM GMT

    Same-sex marriage approval growing among Republicans, independents

    http://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?1=1&_c=1013d51ax3290vu&xid=1011ebh9qbe1lsq&done=.1011erct4ga4qao&_credir=1317327568&_c=1013d51ax3290vu
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    This is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.

    The problem is that they don't see it as a big priority because they aren't personally affected by it...they tend to overlook when the candidates they are supporting are also trying to pull in the hater/anti-gay voters.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.


    Mock- you're from Wisconsin. My personal experience is that Minnesotans and Wisconsinites don't care, but the Dakotans and Southerners that I've come across are iffy about it at best. However, you're right in your edit- it's a non-issue for them, meanwhile for the both of us, it means more than that.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    Well, Well, WELL! Aren't we on the verge of 2012. That's all I got!
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:38 PM GMT
    Hopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.
  • dancedancekj

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    Sep 29, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    Wait, so young Republicans and Independent voters are just coming around? While the effect is welcomed, I'm not sure that it makes sense. Did becoming pro gay-marriage become "trendy" or something? Why did it take people so long to come around to it? Does equality have to be something we have to beg and beat younger Republicans over the head with in order to have them acquiesce their approval?

    And this Berle character seems to be a lame-o. "I didn’t use to see anyone who was gay who held a job I wanted to hold.” *eyeroll*. Log Cabin Republicans are some of the most ridiculous and hypocritical people I know.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    The number grew from 0 Republicans to maybe 1 Republican!!

    YAY GOP!!

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    Sep 29, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    b1o2y3456 saidHopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.


    It is your coming out to conservative parents that will help the 'cause' toward full equality. Thanks you. On a more personal note, wished we lived closer, you hunk!
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    Amazing! Republican support has grown all the way to a whopping 29%! Why, that's almost as much as Independents (63%) and Democrats (68%).
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    Sep 29, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    b1o2y3456 saidHopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.


    I am in the same boat, though they weren't crushed too badly. When I came out to them, all I got was a 'well it's not what you wish for', but within a week they were surprisingly accepting. Even more surprising was my dad's parents who are staunch republicans. After I came out to my family, they would always address Christmas cards to both me and my partner at the time. They welcomed him into their home with open arms on the few occasions he made it back to Alaska with me and always asked about him whenever they were just talking to me. My family has never said or did anything to me that was anything but supportive and loving. That's why I have a really big problem with grand statements about republicans because none of that rhetoric applies to my family.

    I suppose after they've seen a handful of other relatives make complete messes of their lives, being gay just didn't really matter that much. icon_lol.gif

    All things considered, I'm extremely lucky to have had the coming out experience I did with an incredibly right wing family and it's really unfortunate that more people don't have as good of an experience. I'd even wager that my family probably treated me better than some liberal families treat their kids after coming out.
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    Sep 30, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    The number of people who believed the Earth was flat dimiished too, but very slowly. We can be encouraged by this trend.
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    Sep 30, 2011 12:56 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidThe number of people who believed the Earth was flat dimiished too, but very slowly. We can be encouraged by this trend.


    Wait a sec... you mean I won't sail off the edge of our disc-shaped world and off onto the back of a giant turtle if I go too far...?
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    Sep 30, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    Inostrankan saidThe number grew from 0 Republicans to maybe 1 Republican!!

    YAY GOP!!

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    That sums it up.
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    Sep 30, 2011 11:30 AM GMT
    I've never felt that all republicans had a problem with gays, just as I don't feel that all democrats support them.

    I think it's also apparent that support has been growing in both parties. The republicans are just behind on this issue as in other issues. I knew they would catch up, eventually. icon_wink.gif

    However this news is not really relevant until the republican lawmakers begin to embrace gay rights. This is where we really need to see a change in the republican mentality.

    When there are more republican lawmakers like Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) who bravely move out of lock-step with the borg mentality of the party on this issue, the news will be much more significant to me.


    Ileana says, "Resistance is not as futile as one might think."
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    Sep 30, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.


    Mock- you're from Wisconsin. My personal experience is that Minnesotans and Wisconsinites don't care, but the Dakotans and Southerners that I've come across are iffy about it at best. However, you're right in your edit- it's a non-issue for them, meanwhile for the both of us, it means more than that.


    You are partially correct, but I wasn't just talking about friends of mine from here. I know people all over and from a variety of states.
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    Sep 30, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
    b1o2y3456 saidHopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.



    So much for unconditional love...
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    Sep 30, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.
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    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.


    And OMG, you live in that evil state of Arizona that rickrick left!
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    b1o2y3456 saidHopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.



    So much for unconditional love...



    A parent can love their child "unconditionally" but still struggle with their sexuality. I don't think any parent is particularly thrilled to hear the news that their child is gay, regardless of how liberal they may be. Like b1o2y3456 pointed out, his parents struggled at first with the news of their son being gay, NOT because they didn't love him unconditionally, but rather because they were understandably ignorant about GAY due to their limited exposure to gay people other than the more flamboyant ones. This is probably pretty normal among parents who struggle with the news of their son/daughter being gay.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    b1o2y3456 saidHopefully the more people that come out, the more republicans will support. My parent's are EXTREMELY right wing conservative, and it killed them that I was gay, but they have grown used to the idea really fast as I don't fit their idea of a gay man which is why they were scared of the gay population in the first place. The only gays they knew were extremely flamboyant ones from movies.



    So much for unconditional love...



    A parent can love their child "unconditionally" but still struggle with their sexuality. I don't think any parent is particularly thrilled to hear the news that their child is gay, regardless of how liberal they may be. Like b1o2y3456 pointed out, his parents struggled at first with the news of their son being gay, NOT because they didn't love him unconditionally, but rather because they were understandably ignorant about GAY due to their limited exposure to gay people other than the more flamboyant ones. This is probably pretty normal among parents who struggle with the news of their son/daughter being gay.


    My point was, would they have loved him less if he HAD been effeminate? Does that somehow make him less deserving of love?

    I knew you understod that, don't play stupid.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.


    And OMG, you live in that evil state of Arizona that rickrick left!



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    Sep 30, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.



    Well, it seems that you misunderstand the fundamental concepts of "conservative" and "progressive" * Conservatives are resistant to change, while progressives push for change, so if the Republicans "had their way" (past tense), then they would have kept things as they were at that time (i.e. gays had no rights and homosexuality was still criminalized). Doubtless some reactionary conservatives would like to go back that way, but the majority are simply change resistant.

    * Side note--the proper opposite of conservative is the word progressive, but we have bastardized the term liberal, which should have a specific connotation--i.e. having to do with the family of political thought known as liberalism (Locke, Bentham, Mill, etc. through the advent of modern liberalism Lippman, etc) "liberal" does not mean "left" or even necessarily progressive (e.g. in England the Lib Dems just formed an alliance with the Tories/Conservatives)
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.


    And OMG, you live in that evil state of Arizona that rickrick left!



    There are two kinds of republicans, those that hate you to your face, and those that hate you behind your back


    I don't care what people think about me, all I care about is having the same rights. Hate all you want.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.


    And OMG, you live in that evil state of Arizona that rickrick left!



    There are two kinds of republicans, those that hate you to your face, and those that hate you behind your back


    I don't care what people think about me, all I care about is having the same rights. Hate all you want.



    God you're stupid. My point is they more than likely say what you want to hear when you are around, but when it really comes down to it, they are still going to stand against you.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    mocktwinkie saidThis is hardly surprising to me, but might be a total shock to some of the libs on here.

    85% of all the conservative/republican voters I know in my life are at least pro civil unions, AT LEAST.



    Exactly. I can never really relate to all the hysteria directed towards Republicans when people say stuff like "If they had their way we would have no rights at all". It's just silly. Times they are a changing, and Republicans are changing with it. Granted, that change could be happening faster, but it is changing nonetheless, and this article the OP posted is just more reason to be optimistic.


    And OMG, you live in that evil state of Arizona that rickrick left!



    There are two kinds of republicans, those that hate you to your face, and those that hate you behind your back


    I don't care what people think about me, all I care about is having the same rights. Hate all you want.



    God you're stupid. My point is they more than likely say what you want to hear when you are around, but when it really comes down to it, they are still going to stand against you.


    No, the fucking point is that they support me having the same rights. And no, many of these people have relatives who are gay, brothers, sisters, cousins...do you really think I wouldn't be able to tell if someone is just telling me something because that's "what I want to hear". You don't know shit about my experiences.