Gay youth suicide rates a Myth?

  • DreamItDoIt

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    Sep 29, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    So this professor and researcher at Cornells tackles a pretty touchy topic (video link below)
    http://www.cornell.edu/video/?VideoID=988

    He states that research shows that gay youth are no more likely to commit suicide than others their age, that the high gay suicide risk is based off research from the 70's with an n=32. He is very supportive and actually really opened my eyes to the possibility that by hanging on to this stigma many special interest groups can work it to either be anti or pro gay. Look at the religious right using it to push that being gay is linked with mental health problems and you should "be saved before you kill yourself" and on the flip side pro organizations using it to drum up money and push their careers.

    He clearly advocates that we need to drop this myth and actually start using quality and recent research showing that gay youth are mostly very much like their age related counterparts and that in many ways its a better time than its ever been to be a gay youth or newly out person in our country.

    I don't mean to imply that some people don't have a tough experience or that things are perfect, but this really got me thinking of whether or not talking about the "bad" in the media does any good when there is so much "good". I personally want a young gay person to see the message that you will be fine being out and gay not that you are likely to kill yourself or be punished.

    What do you guys think? The video is pretty long, but worth the watch!
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    All I know is one gay teen suicide is one too many.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    yankinbc saidAll I know is one gay teen suicide is one too many.


    All I know is that one teen suicide is one too many, whether gay or straight.

    Sometimes I feel like gay man can only see the world of gay...
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
    finally, a thread that makes sense.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    yankinbc saidAll I know is one gay teen suicide is one too many.


    All I know is that one teen suicide is one too many, whether gay or straight.

    Sometimes I feel like gay man can only see the world of gay...


    We can't help it, gay men are born with stage spotlight syndrome. We think as soon as come out of the womb we're playing the role of Annie in the world.
  • dancedancekj

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    Sep 29, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    Granted, more research should be completed, and I do think that more media is focused on gay kids committing suicide which is putting more valuation on their lives than heterosexual kids committing suicide (which is wrong) but I still think that suicidal homosexual kids are at a greater risk than their heterosexual counterparts.
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    dancedancekj saidGranted, more research should be completed, and I do think that more media is focused on gay kids committing suicide which is putting more valuation on their lives than heterosexual kids committing suicide (which is wrong) but I still think that suicidal homosexual kids are at a greater risk than their heterosexual counterparts.


    Its the number one cause of death for gay youth right now...
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    He is probably correct. It's what I have been saying. Things like the It Gets Better Project are giving gay youth a script: "BE PREPARED TO DIE."


    But even if he is correct, he needs to be SILENCED!
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    Sep 29, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    Yes, I think you make an excellent point! And I really think it doesn't help to point out the fact that these suicide victims were gay...I am sure there were many aspects to their personalities, situations and environments that led to their suicides, even though being gay was the main factor.

    I think that it's become the latest fad to draw attention to gay people being bullied and subsequently committing suicide. I don't think it's altogether a healthy thing. While people call attention to it to be honourable, mostly I just see it as them trying to gain attention or make themselves look good. The whole Lady Gaga fan who tweeted her before he killed himself thing annoyed me because it just seemed so...I dunno. Unreal. The thought process was "I'm going to kill myself, let me just tweet Lady Gaga first". Also the fact that suicidal people are being remembered and glorified for killing themselves doesn't seem right either. It almost looks like they're doing it to be famous.

    At the end of the day, I think one should try not to class bullying and it's victims. It can happen to anyone. We need to work on helping vulnerable people find strength. Adversity should make you stronger, and what we want is people who will fight to survive, not just quit.
  • DreamItDoIt

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    Sep 29, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    dancedancekj saidGranted, more research should be completed, and I do think that more media is focused on gay kids committing suicide which is putting more valuation on their lives than heterosexual kids committing suicide (which is wrong) but I still think that suicidal homosexual kids are at a greater risk than their heterosexual counterparts.


    Its the number one cause of death for gay youth right now...


    Is it really though? (just asking a thought provoking question, not challenging you) Most statistics show that automobile accidents are the leading cause of death for adolescents, and I cant imagine its that much different for gay or straight drivers/passengers. The professor in the video is really just challenging why we all have this impression that there is a gay suicide epidemic when the research (at least that he presents) just does not support it.
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    Sep 29, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    DreamItDoIt said
    Chainers said
    dancedancekj saidGranted, more research should be completed, and I do think that more media is focused on gay kids committing suicide which is putting more valuation on their lives than heterosexual kids committing suicide (which is wrong) but I still think that suicidal homosexual kids are at a greater risk than their heterosexual counterparts.


    Its the number one cause of death for gay youth right now...


    Is it really though? (just asking a thought provoking question, not challenging you) Most statistics show that automobile accidents are the leading cause of death for adolescents, and I cant imagine its that much different for gay or straight drivers/passengers. The professor in the video is really just challenging why we all have this impression that there is a gay suicide epidemic when the research (at least that he presents) just does not support it.


    See I dont know because I dont know the current statistic.

    Right now though, its the last fact that I heard.

    EDIT: I also think that those who come out younger are much more susceptible to being suicidal as opposed to those who are closeted, whom we classify as straight.
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    Sep 29, 2011 9:17 PM GMT
    DreamItDoIt said
    Chainers said
    dancedancekj saidGranted, more research should be completed, and I do think that more media is focused on gay kids committing suicide which is putting more valuation on their lives than heterosexual kids committing suicide (which is wrong) but I still think that suicidal homosexual kids are at a greater risk than their heterosexual counterparts.


    Its the number one cause of death for gay youth right now...


    Is it really though? (just asking a thought provoking question, not challenging you) Most statistics show that automobile accidents are the leading cause of death for adolescents, and I cant imagine its that much different for gay or straight drivers/passengers. The professor in the video is really just challenging why we all have this impression that there is a gay suicide epidemic when the research (at least that he presents) just does not support it.


    The professor in the video refutes that. "The number one cause of death for gay youth..."

    Oe thing I think he gets a bit wrong is the idea that girls who conform to femininity aren;t bullied as much.

    On the contrary, super feminine girls who are hot get bullied by other girls for being sluts who will steal their boyfriends.

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    Sep 29, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
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    Oe thing I think he gets a bit wrong is the idea that girls who conform to femininity aren;t bullied as much.

    On the contrary, super feminine girls who are hot get bullied by other girls for being sluts who will steal their boyfriends.



    LMAO!
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    Sep 30, 2011 12:35 AM GMT
    DreamItDoIt saidSo this professor and researcher at Cornells tackles a pretty touchy topic (video link below)
    http://www.cornell.edu/video/?VideoID=988

    He states that research shows that gay youth are no more likely to commit suicide than others their age, that the high gay suicide risk is based off research from the 70's with an n=32. He is very supportive and actually really opened my eyes to the possibility that by hanging on to this stigma many special interest groups can work it to either be anti or pro gay. Look at the religious right using it to push that being gay is linked with mental health problems and you should "be saved before you kill yourself" and on the flip side pro organizations using it to drum up money and push their careers.

    He clearly advocates that we need to drop this myth and actually start using quality and recent research showing that gay youth are mostly very much like their age related counterparts and that in many ways its a better time than its ever been to be a gay youth or newly out person in our country.

    I don't mean to imply that some people don't have a tough experience or that things are perfect, but this really got me thinking of whether or not talking about the "bad" in the media does any good when there is so much "good". I personally want a young gay person to see the message that you will be fine being out and gay not that you are likely to kill yourself or be punished.

    What do you guys think? The video is pretty long, but worth the watch!


    Extremely interesting thought . . . . I know that my parents feel sorry for me. In fact the few people I have told always go into "aren't you sad you will never have a family."
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    Sep 30, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidHe is probably correct. It's what I have been saying. Things like the It Gets Better Project are giving gay youth a script: "BE PREPARED TO DIE."


    IGB totally says that, in the "not at all even close" kinda way. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • coastguy90814

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    Sep 30, 2011 6:38 AM GMT
    A U.S. government study, titled Report of the Secretary's Task Force on Youth Suicide, published in 1999, found that LGBT youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than other young people.

    With that said. The overall suicide rates among teens is higher with their straight counterparts simply because there are more straight people than Gay people. Studies shows that per capita, Gay teens are bullied AND suicide rates are higher.

    It would simply be irresponsible not to shed light and bring attention to this.
  • SHYUTGUY

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    Sep 30, 2011 6:54 AM GMT
    We sit on our asses and ask the question: WHY?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHZ51NZwexc&feature

    Funny when your dead how people start listening!
    All are eager to point fingers, cast judgment and criticize.
    But after the tears have all dried up what is there to gain?
    Do we simply go on with our own selfish lives and do nothing?

    The real question is this:
    What do YOU have to offer?
    What position/role do YOU play on the team?
    Are YOU simply a bystander on the sideline of life?
    If YOU do nothing or if YOU say nothing then are YOU also to blame?

    If YOU are not part of the solution YOU are part of the problem!
    Don't be among the statistic, BE THE CHANGE!
    This is what Jamey tried to do, why not YOU?

    Now get out there bitches and BECOME PART OF THE SOLUTION!

    http://www.stopbullying.gov

    http://projectbully.com

    http://www.pacerkidsagainstbullying.org

    http://www.matthewshepard.org

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gay-Straight-Alliance-of-America/218077057990

    http://www.bbbs.org

    http://www.bestbuddies.org

    http://www.nationalservice.gov

    http://volunteerguide.org

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    Sep 30, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    There are indeed way to many and it is very sad, these peoples parents are to sometimes blame, very hostile to gays especially the church pastors, if your dads a pastor and you come out that just rocks the world, so sad