Senate Majority Whip Durbin says Democrats don’t currently have the votes to pass Obama jobs bill in Senate

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    Sep 30, 2011 3:54 AM GMT
    It gives you a sense of how bad this bill is when the people in his own party won't "pass this bill".

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/184713-durbin-says-democrats-dont-currently-have-the-votes-for-obama-jobs-bill

    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, at the moment, Democrats in Congress don’t have the votes to pass President Obama’s jobs bill, but Durbin added that that situation would change.

    “Not at the moment, I don’t think we do, but, uh, we can work on it,” Durbin said, according to Chicago radio station WLS.

    President Obama has been calling for Congress to pass his American Jobs Act since legislators returned from their August recess. The jobs plan is made up of a combination of tax increases on the wealthy, new infrastructure spending, an extension of the employee payroll-tax cut and additional funding for unemployment insurance benefits.
    Republicans have voiced opposition to the plan, albeit less than with other pieces of legislation Democrats have proposed recently.

    Durbin added that the president’s bill would need bipartisan support because there are senators both on the left and the right opposed to aspects of it.

    “The oil-producing-state senators don’t like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies,” Durbin said. “There are some senators who are up for election who say ‘I’m never gonna vote for a tax increase while I’m up for election, even on the wealthiest people.’ So, we’re not gonna have 100 percent of Democratic senators. That’s why it needs to be bipartisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen.”
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:08 AM GMT
    No. I means that certain Blue Dog Demcrats - who are really moderate Republicans in addition to stunning douche bags - won't vote for it, which means, based on the unprecedented and unending Republican obstructionism in the Senate, it won't be able to get a cloture vote.

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    Oct 02, 2011 5:20 AM GMT
    Side note - the bill still has no co-sponsors. Quite remarkable... The issue isn't Blue Dog Democrats - it would seem it's far greater than that.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-pushes-on-jobs-bill-while-congress-goes-slow/2011/09/30/gIQA3lxUAL_story.html?hpid=z4

    In the House, it has been introduced as a bill by Rep. John B. Larson (D-Conn.). In the Senate, the bill has been introduced by Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).

    Neither bill has attracted any co-sponsors.

    And, earlier this week, Reid said that the Senate would not take up the bill when it returns from a short recess. Instead, it would first take up a measure to punish China and other nations for currency ma­nipu­la­tion. That bill, in keeping with the Democrats’ strategy, is meant to help several individual senators in manufacturing states, where competition from China is blamed for local job losses.

    What about the jobs bill? “We’ll get to that,” Reid told reporters.
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    Oct 02, 2011 5:57 AM GMT
    I doubt that this will go anywhere since the republicans seem hell bent on cutting programs they love to hate, than in doing anything for jobs.

    But in all honesty, the Obama administration should have put major efforts into jobs creation along side of Health care efforts or immediately after that effort was done. Now here we are just 13 months from major elections and the republicans have a very real reason to footdrag as part of their overall strategy to make Obama a one term president.
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    Oct 02, 2011 10:31 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidNo. I means that certain Blue Dog Demcrats - who are really moderate Republicans in addition to stunning douche bags - won't vote for it, which means, based on the unprecedented and unending Republican obstructionism in the Senate, it won't be able to get a cloture vote.

    Assume your view is representative of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party - I think a reasonable assumption. What this verifies is the progressives in the party believe there is no room for moderates in the Democratic Party. It was clear they were exploited in the past, i.e. when Pelosi threw them under the bus. Means Democratic Party moderates have three choices: 1) Take power away from progressive domination of the party, 2) Support a third party and make their votes irrelevant, or 3) Join up with moderate Republicans, reduce the influence of the social conservatives, and support fiscal conservative positions.
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    Oct 02, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    realifedad said I doubt that this will go anywhere since the republicans seem hell bent on cutting programs they love to hate, than in doing anything for jobs.

    But in all honesty, the Obama administration should have put major efforts into jobs creation along side of Health care efforts or immediately after that effort was done. Now here we are just 13 months from major elections and the republicans have a very real reason to footdrag as part of their overall strategy to make Obama a one term president.


    When they can't even get Democrats to publicly come on side... how can you just blame Republicans?

    Cutting will in the long run do things for jobs because it makes the burden on society less of programs that don't create value.
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    Oct 04, 2011 11:35 PM GMT
    Metta8 would have you believe otherwise. Sadly, he is wrong. The Obama Administration is not able to convince members of his own party to pass this bill. Can anyone however be surprised given how he does not even regret the investment in Solyndra. How it must be so delightful to be able to spend other peoples' money to gain support.

    Senate GOP leader: Vote on Obama's jobs bill now
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/04/ap/congress/main20115505.shtml

    Senate Republicans offered to give President Barack Obama the vote he's sought on a jobs bill Tuesday, but the Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid, objected.

    "The least we can do for the president is give him a chance to have a vote on his proposal now as he has requested on numerous occasions," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said. "The suggestion that Senate Republicans are not interested in voting on his jobs bill is not true."
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    Oct 05, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    In the jobs bill? More of the same... but why not? Also on why his bill deserves to fail.

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/04/obama-i-dont-regret-solyndra/

    Obama: I don't regret Solyndra

    No regrets Mr. President? Seriously?

    Stephanopoulos did not ask about the broader loan guarantee portfolio, or the need to support America's alternative energy market. He asked specifically about Solyndra, which has gone bankrupt after burning through $528 million in federal monies. He didn't even ask if the Solyndra loans were politically-motivated -- an oft-repeated charge that has yet to be supported by actual evidence.

    He simply wanted to know if Obama regrets holding Solyndra up as the model for jobs and clean energy. How could his answer have been anything but: "Of course I do."

    This isn't to accuse the the Department of Energy of doing shoddy due diligence. Or to tar the loan guarantee program as a failure. Instead, it would simply have been an acknowledgement that the Administration's decision to highlight Solyndra -- rather than another, still-viable loan recipient -- has helped cast a pall on both the larger program and its noble goals.

    Hindsight is indeed 20/20, as Obama said. But regret is retrospective by its nature. You can both support your original decision (based on facts then in evidence) and still wish you had come to a different conclusion. The faster Obama formally regrets Solyndra, the faster his clean energy program can move forward.
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    Oct 05, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidIn the jobs bill? More of the same... but why not? Also on why his bill deserves to fail.

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/10/04/obama-i-dont-regret-solyndra/

    Obama: I don't regret Solyndra

    No regrets Mr. President? Seriously?

    Stephanopoulos did not ask about the broader loan guarantee portfolio, or the need to support America's alternative energy market. He asked specifically about Solyndra, which has gone bankrupt after burning through $528 million in federal monies. He didn't even ask if the Solyndra loans were politically-motivated -- an oft-repeated charge that has yet to be supported by actual evidence.

    He simply wanted to know if Obama regrets holding Solyndra up as the model for jobs and clean energy. How could his answer have been anything but: "Of course I do."

    This isn't to accuse the the Department of Energy of doing shoddy due diligence. Or to tar the loan guarantee program as a failure. Instead, it would simply have been an acknowledgement that the Administration's decision to highlight Solyndra -- rather than another, still-viable loan recipient -- has helped cast a pall on both the larger program and its noble goals.

    Hindsight is indeed 20/20, as Obama said. But regret is retrospective by its nature. You can both support your original decision (based on facts then in evidence) and still wish you had come to a different conclusion. The faster Obama formally regrets Solyndra, the faster his clean energy program can move forward.

    He will never seriously regret Solyndra because of pride and ideology, masking the bad decisions it leads to. He might use terms such as unfortunate or regrettable, but he will not atone for his actions on this or anything else, for that matter. Unfortunate combination of a lack of both wisdom and humility. Clearly gross imperfections.
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    Oct 05, 2011 9:43 AM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    He will never seriously regret Solyndra because of pride and ideology, masking the bad decisions it leads to. He might use terms such as unfortunate or regrettable, but he will not atone for his actions on this or anything else, for that matter. Unfortunate combination of a lack of both wisdom and humility. Clearly gross imperfections.


    In the mind of Obama, he is right... it's the rest of the world that is wrong.


    And that would be why my guess is that Obama's approval rating will continue to fall before it rebounds, if it does...
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    Oct 05, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    Senate Democrats Eye Elections in Split With Obama Over Jobs
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/10/05/bloomberg_articlesLSLFZZ0YHQ0X.DTL

    President Barack Obama campaigns across the country for the centerpiece of his economic agenda with a simple refrain: "Tell Congress to pass this bill."

    He knows Republicans are against him. Increasingly, members of his own party are, too, posing a challenge to his economic agenda and clouding his re-election strategy.

    The disunity is on display this week in Washington, where Senate Democratic leaders delayed action on Obama's $447 billion jobs bill to advance a measure he doesn't support that would retaliate against China for undervaluing its currency.

    Obama's jobs proposal so far lacks enough support to even begin debate in the Senate. Democrats there are considering a surtax on millionaires to replace tax increases in his bill, a Democratic aide said yesterday on condition of anonymity. Leaders are trying to win over Democrats like Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who are up for election next year and don't yet favor the president's plan.

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    Oct 05, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    socalfitness said
    He will never seriously regret Solyndra because of pride and ideology, masking the bad decisions it leads to. He might use terms such as unfortunate or regrettable, but he will not atone for his actions on this or anything else, for that matter. Unfortunate combination of a lack of both wisdom and humility. Clearly gross imperfections.


    In the mind of Obama, he is right... it's the rest of the world that is wrong.


    And that would be why my guess is that Obama's approval rating will continue to fall before it rebounds, if it does...

    I don't think it will rebound. Can't see him changing his policies or his attitudes, and even if he did, the public no longer believes in his policies or his capabilities. Additionally, there is no indication of any improvement of the economy while he remains in office.
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    Oct 05, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    socalfitness said
    He will never seriously regret Solyndra because of pride and ideology, masking the bad decisions it leads to. He might use terms such as unfortunate or regrettable, but he will not atone for his actions on this or anything else, for that matter. Unfortunate combination of a lack of both wisdom and humility. Clearly gross imperfections.


    In the mind of Obama, he is right... it's the rest of the world that is wrong.


    And that would be why my guess is that Obama's approval rating will continue to fall before it rebounds, if it does...

    I don't think it will rebound. Can't see him changing his policies or his attitudes, and even if he did, the public no longer believes in his policies or his capabilities. Additionally, there is no indication of any improvement of the economy while he remains in office.


    Just attended a talk by a money manager... rather scary outlook for Europe as well. Things are almost certainly bound to get worse before they get better unfortunately.