What if Obama decided early next year not to run for reelection?

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    Sep 30, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    Another hypothetical - this has happened before in 1968 when LBJ bowed out of the race in early 68 and then it ended up that HHH was on the democratic ticket for president. What if Dick Morris is correct and Obama decided not to run for reelection? Who do you think the democratic nominee would be? And to not make it easy, I’m assuming that Hillary stayed true to what she has said and refused to run. My guess would be Mario Cuomo. Any other guesses?

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/grant-m-dahl/fmr-clinton-adviser-very-possible-obama-will-bow-out-presidential-race-now
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    I suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    And my phone would start ringing with business. CRE needs long term predictability and optimism regarding job growth.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.


    And the topic is:

    Another hypothetical - this has happened before in 1968 when LBJ bowed out of the race in early 68 and then it ended up that HHH was on the democratic ticket for president. What if Dick Morris is correct and Obama decided not to run for reelection? Who do you think the democratic nominee would be? And to not make it easy, I’m assuming that Hillary stayed true to what she has said and refused to run. My guess would be Mario Cuomo. Any other guesses?
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    LMAOROFL
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.


    It's all about the perception. Confidence. Leadership
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.


    It's all about the perception. Confidence. Leadership


    It looks more like "Give us tax breaks and free reign to do what we wan't or we sit on our piles of cash!"

    Oddly enough when they actually DO get what they want, they still send jobs overseas...
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano

    apologies in advance 4 actually addressing the OP's query.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.


    It's all about the perception. Confidence. Leadership


    It looks more like "Give us tax breaks and free reign to do what we wan't or we sit on our piles of cash!"

    Oddly enough when they actually DO get what they want, they still send jobs overseas...


    And they create higher value and better paid jobs here. Ever heard of creative destruction? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    mocktwinkie said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.


    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?

    Wow.


    It's all about the perception. Confidence. Leadership


    It looks more like "Give us tax breaks and free reign to do what we wan't or we sit on our piles of cash!"

    Oddly enough when they actually DO get what they want, they still send jobs overseas...


    And they create higher value and better paid jobs here. Ever heard of creative destruction? icon_rolleyes.gif



    This is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:40 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?



    Admitted no such thing, in fact, I didn't even think it, so please stop putting words in my mouth. Do you ever NOT play "The Victim"?
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    Wait, so you are admitting that those with money are holding the rest of us hostage?



    Admitted no such thing, in fact, I didn't even think it, so please stop putting words in my mouth. Do you ever NOT play "The Victim"?


    The obvious answer to that in DDA's case is "no". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 30, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.


    Wrong.
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.


    Wrong.


    Right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    Another hypothetical - this has happened before in 1968 when LBJ bowed out of the race in early 68 and then it ended up that HHH was on the democratic ticket for president. What if Dick Morris is correct and Obama decided not to run for reelection? Who do you think the democratic nominee would be? And to not make it easy, I’m assuming that Hillary stayed true to what she has said and refused to run. My guess would be Mario Cuomo. Any other guesses?
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    tailgater_3 saidJanet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano

    apologies in advance 4 actually addressing the OP's query.


    Thank you. Interesting choice too. This could happen and has happened before. Ask the ghost of LBJ.
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.


    Wrong.


    Right. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Right!
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.

    I think there would be a rally, but I doubt it would be sustained because his bowing out would not resolve issues having a major impact on business growth such as Obamacare and the massive, new anti-business regulations, especially from the EPA. If he bowed out and Hillary ran, she would probably increase the chances of the Democrats holding onto the WH and Senate. While she might rein in the EPA to some extent, it is doubtful she would support repeal of Obamacare, and we would be dependent on the Supreme Court decision.

    Right now I think businesses are hopeful that Republicans will take the WH and Senate, removing the influence of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Yesterday I had a long conversation with an owner of several businesses, including a small one with approx 80 employees. This business is ripe for expansion. He would like to double it. He said the business is there and he has the cash available to expand, but he won't right now because of the uncertainties and known higher costs associated with Obamacare and the flood of regulations. He said even keeping the current health plans is not possible because Obamacare requires all plans include features that most of his employees neither need nor want. I think he mentioned the features include fertility counseling, and the like, but I'm not completely sure on this. He said the smartest thing he could do now is create the new capacity in China, and even consider relocating existing capacity to China, but he doesn't want to do that out of his concern for his current employees and patriotism. He is just hopeful the election results in a pro-business change.
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.



    Lol what risk is there in getting a cushy job by knowing the right people and screwing over you're workforce?
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    Sep 30, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.

    Lol what risk is there in getting a cushy job by knowing the right people and screwing over you're workforce?

    Can't believe I'm even wasting time responding to you, but the risk he is referring to is the investment risk in creating or expanding business, not in "getting a cushy job", but that is something of which you have absolutely no comprehension.
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    Sep 30, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.



    Lol what risk is there in getting a cushy job by knowing the right people and screwing over you're workforce?


    Another hypothetical - this has happened before in 1968 when LBJ bowed out of the race in early 68 and then it ended up that HHH was on the democratic ticket for president. What if Dick Morris is correct and Obama decided not to run for reelection? Who do you think the democratic nominee would be? And to not make it easy, I’m assuming that Hillary stayed true to what she has said and refused to run. My guess would be Mario Cuomo. Any other guesses?
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    Sep 30, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI suspect the first thing that would happen if Obama made such an announcement is that the stock market would see one of the biggest rallies in history.

    I think there would be a rally, but I doubt it would be sustained because his bowing out would not resolve issues having a major impact on business growth such as Obamacare and the massive, new anti-business regulations, especially from the EPA. If he bowed out and Hillary ran, she would probably increase the chances of the Democrats holding onto the WH and Senate. While she might rein in the EPA to some extent, it is doubtful she would support repeal of Obamacare, and we would be dependent on the Supreme Court decision.

    Right now I think businesses are hopeful that Republicans will take the WH and Senate, removing the influence of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Yesterday I had a long conversation with an owner of several businesses, including a small one with approx 80 employees. This business is ripe for expansion. He would like to double it. He said the business is there and he has the cash available to expand, but he won't right now because of the uncertainties and known higher costs associated with Obamacare and the flood of regulations. He said even keeping the current health plans is not possible because Obamacare requires all plans include features that most of his employees neither need nor want. I think he mentioned the features include fertility counseling, and the like, but I'm not completely sure on this. He said the smartest thing he could do now is create the new capacity in China, and even consider relocating existing capacity to China, but he doesn't want to do that out of his concern for his current employees and patriotism. He is just hopeful the election results in a pro-business change.


    Unfortunately, in my business I have these kind of conversation frequently and this is exactly what I’m hearing. DoomsDay so utterly clueless regarding the risk these investors take. Cushy job my ass.

    Who do think the replacement for obama could be within the democrat party? I still think Mario Cuomo.
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    Sep 30, 2011 5:07 PM GMT
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidThis is a load of total bullshit. And even if it was true, that would simply be another example of wealth creating wealth for the wealthy. In case you didn't know wealth in this country is just a little too concentrated at the top.


    In case you didn't know, much of that same wealth was created by those same people who took the risks others chose not to take. Please get educated.

    Lol what risk is there in getting a cushy job by knowing the right people and screwing over you're workforce?

    Can't believe I'm even wasting time responding to you, but the risk he is referring to is the investment risk in creating or expanding business, not in "getting a cushy job", but that is something of which you have absolutely no comprehension.



    Man it's like Enron never happened...or that CEO's don't have grossly inflated paychecks...