OBAMA SPEAKS AT GAY RIGHTS DINNER. WHICH MAJOR GOP PREZ CANDIDATES WERE THERE?

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    Oct 01, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    NONE!
  • creature

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    Oct 01, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    "He really has been an incredible champion for the issues that are important to us," Sainz said. "It's fair to say we've made more progress in the past two years than we have in the past 40 years combined."

    Fred Sainz, vice president of communications at the Human Rights Campaign


    I'm really surprised Michele Bachmann wasn't there. She's an alleged defender of the constitution.
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    Oct 01, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    creature said"He really has been an incredible champion for the issues that are important to us," Sainz said. "It's fair to say we've made more progress in the past two years than we have in the past 40 years combined."

    Fred Sainz, vice president of communications at the Human Rights Campaign


    I'm really surprised Michele Bachmann wasn't there. She's an alleged defender of the constitution.

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    Oct 01, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidNONE!



    r u su-prised?



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    Oct 01, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
    Even Dick Cheney has long ago ‘evolved’
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    Oct 01, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidDOES PRESIDENT OBAMA STILL BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS "BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN?"

    ARE PRESIDENT OBAMA'S VIEWS ON GAY MARRIAGE STILL - CONVENIENTLY - "EVOLVING?"

    WILL THE "EVOLUTION" OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S VIEWS ON GAY MARRIAGE BE COMPLETE ONCE HE HAS SECURED A SECOND TERM IN OFFICE?



    This is the obama who supports gay rights. As opposed to the GOP candidates who want to take our rights away (you know the ones who u contribute money to so they can shit on you).
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    Oct 01, 2011 7:08 PM GMT
    Wrong. What has the gop done to support gay rights? Y do you support a party who doesnt support you?
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    Oct 01, 2011 7:47 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]southbeach1500 said....
    THIS IS THE OBAMA WHO HASN'T DONE A THING THAT WILL HAVE A MATERIALLY POSITIVELY AFFECT ON ANY GAY WHO IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.[/quote]



    Incorrect.
  • Lincsbear

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    Oct 01, 2011 7:47 PM GMT
    Whatever President Obama/Democats have failed to do,it`s still much more than you`d have got from President McCain/Republicans!
    Sometimes in messy,real world politics you have to take the least worst option to achieve any advances.
    And the 2012 Republican candidates do not inspire any confidence regarding equal rights.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:08 PM GMT
    This may not be legislation, but it is important regarding hospital visitation rights:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/obama-directs-hhs-to-esta_n_539866.html
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    creature saidThis may not be legislation, but it is important regarding hospital visitation rights:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/obama-directs-hhs-to-esta_n_539866.html


    And this is a real important minor easy adjustment that makes a great big difference to those in need.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:25 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidWrong. What has the gop done to support gay rights? Y do you support a party who doesnt support you?


    The GOP nor the entire Democratic Party "support" gay rights, but members of those parties have.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.



    Would it be just as funny as when you voted for John McCain when he was a supporter of DADT and voted against its repeal?

    Just as you vote for conservative politicians who have an anti-gay stance because other issues that are more important to you, it would be the same for gays who vote for Obama over Dick Cheney, even if Cheney has pronounced his support of gay marriage. There are other things Cheney is associated with that would turn off a liberal. Besides, the Obama administration has stopped defending DOMA.

    In case you need reminding, the label of "liberal" or "conservative" is multi-faceted and not everyone is liberal or conservative on every issue. So stop playing these childish games of yours.
  • creature

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    Oct 01, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    Thank you freedomisntfree for acting like an adult. Mocktwinkie, you can learn a thing or two.
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    Oct 01, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    creature said
    mocktwinkie said
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.



    Would it be just as funny as when you voted for John McCain when he was a supporter of DADT and voted against its repeal?

    Just as you vote for conservative politicians who have an anti-gay stance because other issues that are more important to you, it would be the same for gays who vote for Obama over Dick Cheney, even if Cheney has pronounced his support of gay marriage. There are other things Cheney is associated with that would turn off a liberal. Besides, the Obama administration has stopped defending DOMA.

    In case you need reminding, the label of "liberal" or "conservative" is multi-faceted and not everyone is liberal or conservative on every issue. So stop playing these childish games of yours.


    But I didn't vote for John Mccain, so shove that up your ass!

    At least you can finally bring yourself to admit that there are other issues that make a whole package rather than just one and that everything needs to be considered before supporting a candidate. There is no perfect candidate who delivers everything we want.
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    creature said
    mocktwinkie said
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.



    Would it be just as funny as when you voted for John McCain when he was a supporter of DADT and voted against its repeal?

    Just as you vote for conservative politicians who have an anti-gay stance because other issues that are more important to you, it would be the same for gays who vote for Obama over Dick Cheney, even if Cheney has pronounced his support of gay marriage. There are other things Cheney is associated with that would turn off a liberal. Besides, the Obama administration has stopped defending DOMA.

    In case you need reminding, the label of "liberal" or "conservative" is multi-faceted and not everyone is liberal or conservative on every issue. So stop playing these childish games of yours.


    I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but Dick Cheney isn't candidate for anything other than his grandkids' love.

    At 27 seconds: you can't make much clearer than this.
  • creature

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    Oct 01, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    Ok, that was my mistake for assuming you voted for McCain.

    But as for your second point, when have I denied that there are other issues to consider before choosing a candidate? I was supportive of the decision of one member on this site who favors Michele Bachmann. So don't tell me I have finally admitted the existence of other considerations.

    However, this does not mean I won't criticize your judgment in how you rank the civil rights issue of same-sex equality.

    So don't get it twisted, sister.
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    creature said
    mocktwinkie said
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.



    Would it be just as funny as when you voted for John McCain when he was a supporter of DADT and voted against its repeal?

    Just as you vote for conservative politicians who have an anti-gay stance because other issues that are more important to you, it would be the same for gays who vote for Obama over Dick Cheney, even if Cheney has pronounced his support of gay marriage. There are other things Cheney is associated with that would turn off a liberal. Besides, the Obama administration has stopped defending DOMA.

    In case you need reminding, the label of "liberal" or "conservative" is multi-faceted and not everyone is liberal or conservative on every issue. So stop playing these childish games of yours.


    I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but Dick Cheney isn't candidate for anything other than his grandkids' love.


    icon_lol.gif I know, but I was referring to the hypothetical Mocktwinkie presented.
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    creature said
    freedomisntfree said
    creature said
    mocktwinkie said
    freedomisntfree said


    And you know what's funny, if Dick Cheney was running for president with that platform we all know that the liberal gays here would still vote for Obama even though he's not in favor of gay marriage.



    Would it be just as funny as when you voted for John McCain when he was a supporter of DADT and voted against its repeal?

    Just as you vote for conservative politicians who have an anti-gay stance because other issues that are more important to you, it would be the same for gays who vote for Obama over Dick Cheney, even if Cheney has pronounced his support of gay marriage. There are other things Cheney is associated with that would turn off a liberal. Besides, the Obama administration has stopped defending DOMA.

    In case you need reminding, the label of "liberal" or "conservative" is multi-faceted and not everyone is liberal or conservative on every issue. So stop playing these childish games of yours.


    I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but Dick Cheney isn't candidate for anything other than his grandkids' love.


    icon_lol.gif I know, but I was referring to the hypothetical Mocktwinkie presented.


    Understood

    However, you got to admit that Cheney doesn’t equivocate about this issue and his answer is pretty direct at the 27 sec mark
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    There are a few candidates I could possibly see voting for on the GOP side.

    But what gay man is there who could possibly contemplate voting for such an evil robotic c*nt as Michelle Bachmann...?

    The others have sworn off on what amounts to a bone of appeasement to NOM to get the homophobe vote; most of them will not follow thru on it simply because it is unrealistic and is mostly a bit of typical campaign pandering.

    But Bachmann (and Santorum) fucking mean business. If elected, they WOULD work actively to reinstate DADT and limit equal marriage rights via a federal legislation or a constitutional amendment.

    A vote for Bachmann is a vote to cut off your own dick and shove it up your own ass.
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    Oct 01, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidThere are a few candidates I could possibly see voting for on the GOP side.

    But what gay man is there who could possibly contemplate voting for such an evil robotic c*nt as Michelle Bachmann...?

    The others have sworn off on what amounts to a bone of appeasement to NOM to get the homophobe vote; most of them will not follow thru on it simply because it is unrealistic and is mostly a bit of typical campaign pandering.

    But Bachmann (and Santorum) fucking mean business. If elected, they WOULD work actively to reinstate DADT and limit equal marriage rights via a federal legislation or a constitutional amendment.

    A vote for Bachmann is a vote to cut off your own dick and shove it up your own ass.


    The person on this site who favored Michele Bachmann likes her stance on the handling of the economy and other positions. He admitted he was conflicted because of her viewpoints of same-sex equality.

    I respect his decision. I strongly disagree with that decision, but it's his choice. And there are some gay conservatives on this site who believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.
  • Lincsbear

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    Oct 01, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    Southbeach,no need to shout.

    I think one of the reasons Obama is disappointing on equal rights,legislationwise,for the whole nation,is the ruthless and utterly cynical opposition by the Republicans at every opportunity.I think he naively underestimated them in this.

    But there`s more to a politician than law making.There`s his overall contribution to a country`s political debate and culture,what they say in public speeches,the tone of their language,how they improve it.What comes over from Obama on equal rights is reasoned/constrained compromise-essential for democracy to survive.

    What comes over from the Republicans and their presidential candidates is near hysterical anti-gay prejudice and inflammatory words;not calming overheated,emotional rhetoric,but active fanning of the heat of this homophobia;quite a contrast with Obama.They`re degrading your country`s political culture badly in this.


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    Oct 01, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said Even Dick Cheney has long ago ‘evolved’

    Let's not go rewriting history. While Cheney was campaigning for VP or in the office, he refused to talk about gay rights or barely acknowledged that his daughter Mary is a lesbian. Even when it was brought up in the 2004 VP debate all Cheney did was to thank Edwards for his kind words about Mary and say "That's it."

    It's when he's no longer a public figure that Cheney's allowed to evolve.
    Maybe if everyone who's against gay rights leaves public office (and maybe has a gay relative or two), he will also evolve.